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Thread: removing the names and payout is plain stupid
lbfoofoo wrote:
Eicy wrote:
Your plain stupid
I beg to differ, seeing as how I would have typed "You're plain stupid". The way you wrote it implies that I have something that is stupid like "Your stupid dog" or "Your stupid post is stupid". ROFL. So I wonder what stupid thing of mine were you talking about?
Very good, now come back that up in game respec. Don't try calling my an ebay either, everyone who knows me knows I'm not.
This is absolutely rediculous.
The Dev team need to manipulate the marriage system so a master and apprentice can grind with each other without getting viz. The grind will be longer, but IT SHOULD BE.
This is once again the Devs way of copping out and breaking another part of the game instead of fixing Jedi vizibility so that they can grind. I think they realise that the above system can't be abused and would make Jedi actually have to earn their stripes and thats reason enough for them to not do it.
I know that if this system goes through there are a great many bounty hunters who will simply quit. I am one of these bounty hunters. Before any Jedi reply with "you're the kind of bounty hunter we want to quit" : I hunt paddies, not exclusively. I also group hunt the masters, not exclusively. I do not grief Jedi or hate them, this is a game - one which I play for fun.
GRIEFING OF JEDI CANNOT HAPPEN.
If a Jedi gets on the BH terminals, they're fair game. This was emailed to a BH by a dev and posted up on the forums by said BH. This system is working correctly. Instead of breaking this system, actually put some effort in - fix the system that is brokenand give us our moneys worth by making the master / apprentice system and bring back the TEF.
This would mean that Jedi grind together in pairs and have no excuse for getting viz. This would solve as much Jedi/BH hatred as can be solved because no one would have an excuse for the viz.
I am absolutely disgusted with the fact that this could even be considered by the developement team. Its bad enough that a full publish and about 4 or 5 hotfixes go by and the LoS issue hasn't even been addressed let alone fixed, but now they plan on breaking another system that works instead of getting their heads together and fixing a system which has been paid for 10 times over by everyone who has subscribed for more than a month and has been broken since the beginning of time.
Bounty Hunter was a welcome retreat from the lag and Jedi domination of theGCW and the fact that you need Jedi to do almost EVERY dungeon now. It sickens me that even this side of the game is being altered simply because the Devs cannot fix the problems they've already got with the Jedi Vizibility that have been there since time began.
I don't normally let my posts get this heated but I enjoy this game as it is. The concept is the best I've ever heard of for an MMO and the fact that its being ruined even for avid starwars fans who would play the game regardless of implementation is evidence enough that something has to give.
Have one more publish aimed at the Jedi. In this publish:
- fix the LoS exploiting on kash (I don't care how, disable xp, fix every LoS area, but actually do something for our money)
- fix the Jedi Viz system by altering the marriage system. One master, One apprentice. Neither can give the other viz and the master can 'watch over' the apprentice whilst he/she has to grind.
After this publish, go back to fixing the game you're intent on breaking by sorting out other profs rendered useless by the CU, and by giving content to OTHER PROFFESSIONS than BH and Jedi.
Rinia wrote:
Removal of name and payout is absolutly rediculous. If one is trying to stay with canon (which i know swg doesnt fall but im just sayin) then how many times do you think Boba Fett took a bounty without knowing his name or how much he was going to get paid? NONE.
It's part of the hunt. Price equates to difficulty. By knowing the price you know how difficult they could be and prepare accordingly. Knowing their name is also part of the hunt. Asking around to get any info on the person. Where the grind, what their template is. Anything to help you complete your bounty.
Sure, it may remove player griefing but the jedi CHOOSE to get on the terms by grinding in a group. Don't tell me that it is IMPOSSIBLE to grind solo. I'll call BS on that because i have done it before. YES, POST CU. The price you pay for not getting on the terms is time. Boo hoo. So you cant grind your jedi to full temp completly afk in a week or two.
This is ludacris... i cant believe they are actually considering removing the names because of all the whining fkin jedi.
Okiv wrote:
This is absolutely rediculous.
The Dev team need to manipulate the marriage system so a master and apprentice can grind with each other without getting viz. The grind will be longer, but IT SHOULD BE.
This is once again the Devs way of copping out and breaking another part of the game instead of fixing Jedi vizibility so that they can grind. I think they realise that the above system can't be abused and would make Jedi actually have to earn their stripes and thats reason enough for them to not do it.
I know that if this system goes through there are a great many bounty hunters who will simply quit. I am one of these bounty hunters. Before any Jedi reply with "you're the kind of bounty hunter we want to quit" : I hunt paddies, not exclusively. I also group hunt the masters, not exclusively. I do not grief Jedi or hate them, this is a game - one which I play for fun.
GRIEFING OF JEDI CANNOT HAPPEN.
If a Jedi gets on the BH terminals, they're fair game. This was emailed to a BH by a dev and posted up on the forums by said BH. This system is working correctly. Instead of breaking this system, actually put some effort in - fix the system that is brokenand give us our moneys worth by making the master / apprentice system and bring back the TEF.
This would mean that Jedi grind together in pairs and have no excuse for getting viz. This would solve as much Jedi/BH hatred as can be solved because no one would have an excuse for the viz.
I am absolutely disgusted with the fact that this could even be considered by the developement team. Its bad enough that a full publish and about 4 or 5 hotfixes go by and the LoS issue hasn't even been addressed let alone fixed, but now they plan on breaking another system that works instead of getting their heads together and fixing a system which has been paid for 10 times over by everyone who has subscribed for more than a month and has been broken since the beginning of time.
Bounty Hunter was a welcome retreat from the lag and Jedi domination of theGCW and the fact that you need Jedi to do almost EVERY dungeon now. It sickens me that even this side of the game is being altered simply because the Devs cannot fix the problems they've already got with the Jedi Vizibility that have been there since time began.
I don't normally let my posts get this heated but I enjoy this game as it is. The concept is the best I've ever heard of for an MMO and the fact that its being ruined even for avid starwars fans who would play the game regardless of implementation is evidence enough that something has to give.
Have one more publish aimed at the Jedi. In this publish:
- fix the LoS exploiting on kash (I don't care how, disable xp, fix every LoS area, but actually do something for our money)
- fix the Jedi Viz system by altering the marriage system. One master, One apprentice. Neither can give the other viz and the master can 'watch over' the apprentice whilst he/she has to grind.
After this publish, go back to fixing the game you're intent on breaking by sorting out other profs rendered useless by the CU, and by giving content to OTHER PROFFESSIONS than BH and Jedi.
Thought I'd see if I can get a pertinent answer here and maybe someone show me if I'm not alone in the way I think. The sticky thread has got so many Jedi and BH flamers arguing in it that all the posts that matter (I.E the ones like mine, written by people who are after more than a flame) are just getting buried.
Again, the concept of the BH profession was to offer the counter to the Jedi profession. The intention was that you would pull a mission from the term and then 'hunt' the Jedi down. What exists today is being expliotied in ways it was not intended. Remember it was not the intention for you to find a jedi and then look up a mission (open to grief), and this extends to its use during GCW events (dont even state this was the intention of this system).
Actually, the intent of player Bounties was just an added bonus to BH's because they had to spend so many skill points to get BH. You had to master Marksman and Scout and then the Scout tree did nothing for you except Terrain Negotiation. They told us that they would add Jedi bounties as a bonus to these requirements..
Now, everyone thinks it is there mission to Kill All Jedi....
/shrug
Bad Argument Number 1: Making terminals anonymous is a good way to stop BHs from repeatedly attacking the same Jedi.
No its not. A good way is just make it so that a BH cant repeatedly attack the same Jedi!!!!!!! How is making the terms anonymous the obvious fix, lol. This type of backward coding is where SOE shines.
Bad Argument Number 2: Making the terms anonymous is a good way to stop BHs from bottom feeding.
Again, if you want to stop BHs from bottom feeding then hard code something in there that PREVENTS BHs from doing that. Limit them to how often they can take a certain payout limit. Why the hell must the devs play stupid code games????
This is a classic example of addressing the problems in a backwards, poorly thought out manner.
Sheesh, people use your heads...
Neutral Imperial Agent
Iwawmi wrote:
Zekk- wrote:
removes griefing/camping of one player.
QFE
im fine with this change, as long as it says faction
it will stop bottom feeding and Bh's are not suppost to be in it for the money, they are suppost to be eliminating all the jedi
We're bounty hunters not policemen. Your statement was stupid and has no basis in reality. Bounty hunters get paid more for more dangerous/more wanted criminals.
Oh well this is just going to lead to another jedi nerf...
Also to think that making us attack finished template jedi assists in the slow down or progress of jedi is just stupid. Full template jedi have nothing to lose so how is that going to help anything?
Im fine with removing the names but tell us the payout.
Also if anyone says "bottom feeding" they are just stupid. That's saying it's ok for jedi to not know how to fight but not BHs. I've proven time and time again that a jedi at any level can be as tough as anyone else if they are smart, they just need to fall back on their normal abilities for a bit if their jedi ones are not yet upto par.
I have a feeling this change is to stop jedi from exploiting the FRS system but the Devs will never admit that.
Message Edited by Nathanielstarr on 07-05-2005 12:58 PM
Okiv wrote:
Again, the concept of the BH profession was to offer the counter to the Jedi profession. The intention was that you would pull a mission from the term and then 'hunt' the Jedi down. What exists today is being expliotied in ways it was not intended. Remember it was not the intention for you to find a jedi and then look up a mission (open to grief), and this extends to its use during GCW events (dont even state this was the intention of this system).
As I said, the system of BHing is working fine. Our only way to 'hunt' Jedi on kashyyk is to do twice the amount of work of a normal hunt, by running there - getting the name - getting the mission - running back. Without Dev support and competent patching and fixing of Kashyyk LoS issues, many members ofthe bounty hunter community have adapted and continued to pay the subscription and hunt regardless.
I posted my thoughts on it because I thought actually putting the mariage idea forward again would drum up a bit more support for it from the Jedi and BH who trawl these forums. I'm not a coder and I don't know SWG inside out like some people, but no one has ever given me a reason as for why this system wouldn't be favourable other than one very honest, and powerhungry, Jedi friend who said - its because it would take more time than group grinding.
I do not understand why a system which is working perfectly and is only open to abuse because another one is broken gets broken. Why not fix the one which isn't working properly?
Okiv
The system is abused by many to target specific players either with intention to grief or during GCW events (come on it was not intended for this and you know it). Driods should at least state where they are on Kash, even in the most general sense (if they cant state the instance, im sure you can live with that .. but they should be able to at least say the Jedi are in the trails). As stated as a reply to you in another post, there are things I agree should be part of this such as on/offline status .. faction filtering .. and a base payout that makes it generally worthwhile (200k base plus bonus on SP spent on Jedi template).
But this had to be done to deal with the other issues and the facts the system was being abused.
