Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: BH's and Cloaked Jedi.
WoW was a bad analogy. Never played EQII to find out about any 'cloaking' abilities.
Having droids to break cloak would be nice, though the game mechanics now aren't that bad. Grant it, I've had a few jedi exploit durining cobmbat and cloak right by me and run off. I chalk it up for a win if they run.
IMO, I think a working cool-down timer/TEF on cloak would work better.
Example:
-Once combat is intiated the jedi will not be able to activate cloak at ANY time during combat. He must exit combat and wait for TEF to drop (see below.)
-Add a 20-30 sec TEF to jedi after combat ends that prevents activation of cloak.
If BH's are given some way to break a jedi's cloak, it would prove fair for the jedi to be given an ability to confuse the droid so that he/she may escape. As mentioned before, KoToR had jedi-vs-droid attacks, and we all know where that game went.
VoowooIdo wrote:
IMO, I think a working cool-down timer/TEF on cloak would work better.
Example:
-Once combat is intiated the jedi will not be able to activate cloak at ANY time during combat. He must exit combat and wait for TEF to drop (see below.)
-Add a 20-30 sec TEF to jedi after combat ends that prevents activation of cloak.
If BH's are given some way to break a jedi's cloak, it would prove fair for the jedi to be given an ability to confuse the droid so that he/she may escape. As mentioned before, KoToR had jedi-vs-droid attacks, and we all know where that game went.
The idea of the TEF and not being able to cloak while in combat is another Nerf to the cloak ability.
I am trying to suggest a counter to cloak without a nerf to it.
There are already ways to prevent a Cloaked Jedi from cloaking.
Stay within or keep something or someone within 20m and they cannot cloak.
I'm suggesting a Counter to cloak. You know your out tracking your mark. You find him. He runs away 20m and cloaks. Now he can't be touched. He can stand there all day unless you get half your guild to come and stand on the waypoint.
Bomb Droids are able to break cloak. That's a reasonable counter. It's not a Nerf to the skill like so many are suggesting. The Cloaked Jedi can't just sit there and laugh at the BH.
Why would Jedi need a counter to a counter. I supposed then well need a counter to the counter that will counter that counter.
Bomb Droids should be able to break cloak.
KaliMaul wrote:
Ialwysdie wrote:
VoowooIdo wrote:
IMO, I think a working cool-down timer/TEF on cloak would work better.
Example:
-Once combat is intiated the jedi will not be able to activate cloak at ANY time during combat. He must exit combat and wait for TEF to drop (see below.)
-Add a 20-30 sec TEF to jedi after combat ends that prevents activation of cloak.
If BH's are given some way to break a jedi's cloak, it would prove fair for the jedi to be given an ability to confuse the droid so that he/she may escape. As mentioned before, KoToR had jedi-vs-droid attacks, and we all know where that game went.
The idea of the TEF and not being able to cloak while in combat is another Nerf to the cloak ability.
I am trying to suggest a counter to cloak without a nerf to it.
There are already ways to prevent a Cloaked Jedi from cloaking.
Stay within or keep something or someone within 20m and they cannot cloak.
I'm suggesting a Counter to cloak. You know your out tracking your mark. You find him. He runs away 20m and cloaks. Now he can't be touched. He can stand there all day unless you get half your guild to come and stand on the waypoint.
Bomb Droids are able to break cloak. That's a reasonable counter. It's not a Nerf to the skill like so many are suggesting. The Cloaked Jedi can't just sit there and laugh at the BH.
Why would Jedi need a counter to a counter. I supposed then well need a counter to the counter that will counter that counter.
Bomb Droids should be able to break cloak.
It's ok if a jedi cannot just sit there and log out even after he cloaked, but there still has to be a way of escape.
RustemGT wrote:
First off my jedi is a cloaker... I tend to use it strategicaly in combat not as an evasion tool... I love popping in and out as I fight... especially when a silly BH roots me then runs off to shoot.... My absolute favorite is standing behind a BH who I know is hunting me when he launches a seeker and decloak just as he spins around.... That being said cloak has 2 rather large counters.. one no non group member bike or npc can be within 20m of you... while in the wild this is not a real problem there are very few places in cities that I can get enough seperation to cloak.... think about that. Also cloak now has a rather large recharge time and we are vulnerable to AOE attacks...
First off as i've stated I'm a Master powers Jedi so please don't try to think I don't know how the skill works.
The 20m thing is a counter for you being able to engage cloak but once you do there is no counter. Nothing will break it. I feel that it should be able to be broken.
The cooldown timer? How is that a counter? Only thing it does is prevent you from Cloaking and Decloaking in a short period of time. The timer is basically meaningless. It does nothing really but be annoying. It has no detrimental affect TBH.
I guess I need to explain this better because most people don't get what it.
I am a cloaked Jedi. I'm imperial so I hang around in theed. Majority of the time while i'm in Player cities I am cloaked. I rarely run around populated areas while not being cloaked. I channel force to keep up with the force drain in some populated areas but still can remain cloaked.
If a BH comes for me. Or is waiting for me. Or is tracking me. There is nothing he can do to attack me.I can use the JTL terminals to travel anywhere I want and launch into space ALL while cloaked.
I can stand in almost any NPC city Cloaked even THEED!. Only exception is the MO as that is heavily populated but i can do a quick run to Just outside the gates and can remain there Indefinitely Cloaked.
I can go SF and remain cloaked. I can go on leave and remain cloaked. I can go combatant and remain cloaked.
THIS IS WHAT NEEDS THE COUNTER!!!
Bombdroids being able to break Cloak does this without Nerfing the skill.
I can still escape if I manage to do so or fight it out. I think this is perfectly reasonable.
i love cloak.
Bomb droid braking cloak -> fair enough.
other cries for nerf -> dont hunt us
Hullu wrote:i love cloak.
Bomb droid braking cloak -> fair enough.
other cries for nerf -> dont hunt us
/agree. Also fix droids so they don't go through houses and you can't pull a droid from the deed while fighting.