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Thread: What will you do when all the jedi quit?
SomeUser
Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:44 pm
#27
Shin_Shodei wrote:
we all know jedi have been nerfed more and more. and the ammount of bh's have more then grown 10x.. maybe more. What exactly will you all do after all the jedi have stoped grinding or quit the game? This will happen the way things are going.
What are you smoking Shin_Shodei? Do you really think the people who make this game are as dumb as to believe your pathetic attempts at "scaring" people/Devs into changing the system?
The Jedi population GROWS every day. There are 10x more BH because their is 100x more Jedi. The more Jedi there are the more BH there will be, the less Jedi the less BH.
Think of the lion and zebra population. When the lions (BH) eat through all the zebra (Jedi) population the predator specie will no longer be able to maintain its numbers. It is very simple actually.
Shin_Shodei wrote:
one of the more interesting things is, Bh's in SWG was not as abundant as they are in this game. you guys complain about there being so many jedi well, there also shouldn't be this many bh's.
Again, there are this many BH because there are this many Jedi. Come on man, this aint rocket science.
Shin_Shodei wrote:
Bh should be about risk vs reward just like jedi, when you die you should lose somthing, thats the risk of losing or failing your bounty. This is the way it was ment to be. You guys probably don't agree tho i mean really? who wants to have the same risks as a jedi? just wondering what you guys think, i'm not trying to troll you guys or anything. i just feel kinda bad.
Oh lets bring out the violen for Shin_Shodei :/
Let me ask you something. How would it be F-A-I-R to have a system where a BH may lose "something" when:
1. Jedi are 1.5x more powerful
2. SOE is pushing to have BH vs Jedi more one_on_one
Lets just cut to the chase. You dont want to be hunted as much as you (or others) grind your way up to full template. How pathetic. You want the powerful toon but you dont want any risks. Why not just have SOE give you a fully templated Jedi when you unlock /rolleyes
Shin_Shodei wrote:
Yesterday a bh came to the trials looking for help with her mission where she's suppost to get a radio from a camp in there. Me and half my group was like.. "no, this is a trap, i'm not helping that bh with crap" normally i'm a nice guy and am willing to help just about everyone with missions and quests and the like, but i felt so unease and so much hatred towards that person just becouse i saw a scatter pistol in her hand.
Quite being a wuss man! It a game and the BH are needed to help prevent you Jedi cockroaches from multiplying to the point a Jedi is no better off then a "normal" toon. You should feel nothing but love when you see a scatter cause that scatter is the only thing right now that is saving your Jedi ass from being nerfed to high hell.
Shin_Shodei wrote:
Is this what the dev's intended? Earlier i had just gotten back from - 300k exp and grinded back up to 0. A bh found me and kicked me right back to -300k exp. SOE this isn't fun, it's an annoyance.. What does the bh have to lose? sigh i don't expect you guys to understand, all you guys are probably gona do is flame me for being a weak padawan, a padawan who is gona be even weaker when publish 19 comes out sadly.. i can't keep up with bh damage as it is.. and i'm at the point where i'm droping normal elite skills.
Sorry Shin_Shodei, you're not suppose to grind up to full template in a week or two. I know it sucks but the rest of the players in SOE doesnt need everyone and their mom being Jedi Knights.
The system is working as intended and, if you dont like it, play a non-Jedi. This is what you "signed up for" when you decided to unlock (or buy) a Jedi in SOE's SWG.
Vezek
Shin_Shodei
Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:50 pm
#28
SomeUser wrote:
Shin_Shodei wrote:
we all know jedi have been nerfed more and more. and the ammount of bh's have more then grown 10x.. maybe more. What exactly will you all do after all the jedi have stoped grinding or quit the game? This will happen the way things are going.
What are you smoking Shin_Shodei? Do you really think the people who make this game are as dumb as to believe your pathetic attempts at "scaring" people/Devs into changing the system?
The Jedi population GROWS every day. There are 10x more BH because their is 100x more Jedi. The more Jedi there are the more BH there will be, the less Jedi the less BH.
Think of the lion and zebra population. When the lions (BH) eat through all the zebra (Jedi) population the predator specie will no longer be able to maintain its numbers. It is very simple actually.
Shin_Shodei wrote:
one of the more interesting things is, Bh's in SWG was not as abundant as they are in this game. you guys complain about there being so many jedi well, there also shouldn't be this many bh's.
Again, there are this many BH because there are this many Jedi. Come on man, this aint rocket science.
Shin_Shodei wrote:
Bh should be about risk vs reward just like jedi, when you die you should lose somthing, thats the risk of losing or failing your bounty. This is the way it was ment to be. You guys probably don't agree tho i mean really? who wants to have the same risks as a jedi? just wondering what you guys think, i'm not trying to troll you guys or anything. i just feel kinda bad.
Oh lets bring out the violen for Shin_Shodei :/
Let me ask you something. How would it be F-A-I-R to have a system where a BH may lose "something" when:
1. Jedi are 1.5x more powerful
2. SOE is pushing to have BH vs Jedi more one_on_one
Lets just cut to the chase. You dont want to be hunted as much as you (or others) grind your way up to full template. How pathetic. You want the powerful toon but you dont want any risks. Why not just have SOE give you a fully templated Jedi when you unlock /rolleyes
Shin_Shodei wrote:
Yesterday a bh came to the trials looking for help with her mission where she's suppost to get a radio from a camp in there. Me and half my group was like.. "no, this is a trap, i'm not helping that bh with crap" normally i'm a nice guy and am willing to help just about everyone with missions and quests and the like, but i felt so unease and so much hatred towards that person just becouse i saw a scatter pistol in her hand.
Quite being a wuss man! It a game and the BH are needed to help prevent you Jedi cockroaches from multiplying to the point a Jedi is no better off then a "normal" toon. You should feel nothing but love when you see a scatter cause that scatter is the only thing right now that is saving your Jedi ass from being nerfed to high hell.
Shin_Shodei wrote:
Is this what the dev's intended? Earlier i had just gotten back from - 300k exp and grinded back up to 0. A bh found me and kicked me right back to -300k exp. SOE this isn't fun, it's an annoyance.. What does the bh have to lose? sigh i don't expect you guys to understand, all you guys are probably gona do is flame me for being a weak padawan, a padawan who is gona be even weaker when publish 19 comes out sadly.. i can't keep up with bh damage as it is.. and i'm at the point where i'm droping normal elite skills.
Sorry Shin_Shodei, you're not suppose to grind up to full template in a week or two. I know it sucks but the rest of the players in SOE doesnt need everyone and their mom being Jedi Knights.
The system is working as intended and, if you dont like it, play a non-Jedi. This is what you "signed up for" when you decided to unlock (or buy) a Jedi in SOE's SWG.
Thanks for your words of wisdom.. i think. This is a game yet you persist to call me a jedi cockarouch? Thats fine. To me your the token bounty hunter. I'm not a wuss and jedi does not take 2 weeks to grind toknights it takes months maybe even a year. your profession takes what? 3 - 5 days? don't call me a wuss when you have nothing to lose. You expect me and other jedi to sit down and take this kind of crap like men? after this publish coming up a MASTER BOUNTY HUNTER can take on a fully tempted jedi. sigh. i'm not gona keep going with this. i just don't think you understand what it's really like..
Shin_Shodei
Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:58 pm
#29
SomeUser wrote:
Shin_Shodei wrote:
wow, i didn't even mean you, i was talking about the Respec bh's. Older bh's have my respect, then again those are also the bh's that go after the more challenging opponents. not low priced padawans. Sorry if you got the wrong idea.. tho now i can understand why i'm starting to really hate bh's...
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Shin_Shodei wrote:
sigh, thats kinda sad.. I guess you guys really do feed off this stuff. i almost wish soe would come out and say "we are removing jedi from swg". i'm almost ashamed to say i was a bh before i became a jedi.. the bh's today..
Thats ok. We're almost ashamed that you played as a BH too. You couldn't hack it.
Jedi have no right to talk sh*t about /respec. The whole /respec insult is basically about players getting a "master" tag without having to "earn" it and then not knowing a thing about their profession...
How is that different then most Jedi?
Most Jedi /afk grind their way to Jedi (least they did back in the hologrind days) and then precede to /afk grind in the trails.... When a BH comes to kill them they fall right down NOT because they are weak but because they dont know how to play their profession.
Just like you Shin_Shodei. If you knew how to play your toon you wouldnt be getting your ass handed to you by every BH that comes along. I heard enough veteran BH hunters say how Padawans can be a dangerous foe if they know what skills to keep in their old professions and how to use them.
Knock off the crap non-respec BH have your respect. No one gives a damn what most Jedi think about /respec as most Jedi are guilty of the sins that get /respec toons b*tched at.
So how about you tell me how to play my toon then? I was a origional bh on my server no respec pure grinding. I grinded 23 professions AND i did all the village quests AND i grinded out my force experance needed to become a jedi. I think i'm allowed to talk about bh's who don't have a clue what they are doing becouse they respec'ed into the profession. The only reason padawans can maybe handle a bounty hunter is maybe becouse they have there old profession but when you start droping somtimes you don't have a choice then to become weaker. I know how to play my profession very will, but vs a bounty hunter who knows what they are doing there is a total power difference and there always will be a power difference till somehow i am able to get up in exp enough that i can finally make the power diffence equal so my skill with my profession would count more then "oh crap bounty hunter i can't do damage yet becouse my saber sucks ass i better run to the nearest house". I don't want to feel like i should do that. I want to stand and fight to give you guys some fun and maybe have some fun myself. I'm done talking to you sorry.
Tyzik
Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:00 pm
#30
Shin_Shodei wrote:
Now i'm not talking about this happening with publish 19. i'm just giving a forinstance. we all know jedi have been nerfed more and more. and the ammount of bh's have more then grown 10x.. maybe more. What exactly will you all do after all the jedi have stoped grinding or quit the game? This will happen the way things are going.
one of the more interesting things is, Bh's in SWG was not as abundant as they are in this game. you guys complain about there being so many jedi well, there also shouldn't be this many bh's.
I agree, but sadly because of respec and less requirements to be MBH this became the FOTM. Im a MBH and thats all I have ever been since well....since I can remember. It disgusts me to see such a flood of Bounty Hunters around as Im sure it pisses off the other Veteran Hunters. Theres no fix to this "flood" unless they nerf BH and make another Profession "L33t". You'll never see me complain really..... I think theres too much of both.
Bh should be about risk vs reward just like jedi, when you die you should lose somthing, thats the risk of losing or failing your bounty.
This statement is a real grey area topic. Realistically* the only thing that a BH would lose if he were to fail a Bounty would be that he himself would have a Bounty on his head. (Not from a Jedi) You cant take XP from BH who die or fail bountys, people compare BH to Jedi all day long but in all reality there not anything alike, its like apples and oranges.
This is the way it was ment to be. You guys probably don't agree tho i mean really? who wants to have the same risks as a jedi? just wondering what you guys think, i'm not trying to troll you guys or anything. i just feel kinda bad.
Yesterday a bh came to the trials looking for help with her mission where she's suppost to get a radio from a camp in there. Me and half my group was like.. "no, this is a trap, i'm not helping that bh with crap" normally i'm a nice guy and am willing to help just about everyone with missions and quests and the like, but i felt so unease and so much hatred towards that person just becouse i saw a scatter pistol in her hand. Is this what the dev's intended?
Its seriously sad its come to this. Players cant even respect eachother. SOE must be angry, like a kid who didnt get hugged enough, or maybe got hugged to much. Either way its a bad situation.
Earlier i had just gotten back from - 300k exp and grinded back up to 0. A bh found me and kicked me right back to -300k exp. SOE this isn't fun, it's an annoyance.. What does the bh have to lose? sigh i don't expect you guys to understand, all you guys are probably gona do is flame me for being a weak padawan, a padawan who is gona be even weaker when publish 19 comes out sadly.. i can't keep up with bh damage as it is.. and i'm at the point where i'm droping normal elite skills.
thanks for reading.
If you guys didnt notice I dont respond on the Forums much if at all. I do come and read up every once and a while. I havent come here in a bit because its all the same Sh*t being said. I guess I decided to give an opinion.
Respect
Tyzik Muut (Veteran Master Bounty Hunter)
SomeUser
Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:01 pm
#31
Shin_Shodei wrote:
Thanks for your words of wisdom.. i think. This is a game yet you persist to call me a jedi cockarouch? Thats fine. To me your the token bounty hunter. I'm not a wuss and jedi does not take 2 weeks to grind toknights it takes months maybe even a year. your profession takes what? 3 - 5 days? don't call me a wuss when you have nothing to lose. You expect me and other jedi to sit down and take this kind of crap like men? after this publish coming up a MASTER BOUNTY HUNTER can take on a fully tempted jedi. sigh. i'm not gona keep going with this. i just don't think you understand what it's really like..
I'm not calling you a jedi cockroaches as a personal insult, I'm saying Jedi are like cockroaches in this game.
Look man, you might have some valid issues but you're going about it in the wrong way. I personally dont like hunting Padawans as they dont pay that much and Knights (even before Publish 19) are not hard to take down.
I would be all for Jedi keeping their UbEr healing if SOE fixes the LOS bug and prevents Jedi from doing things like /duel to findwhat BH has their mark and spamming /offeride to grief a BH once he is engaged with a Jedi.
If you just fixed those aspects Jedi hunting would be easy as all you have to do is wait for the right moment to strike. First strike a Master Jedi after he has been in battle or was /dueling another Jedi and he has no chance.
However, dont expect me (or any other player) to feel bad for you when becoming a Jedi Knight turns out to be a hard road. I'm not speaking as a BH in that regard, I'm speaking as a nearly 2year vet.
My idea is to give low level paddies a Jedi temple to grind at... It should be capped in such a way as to make it 2x or more as long to grind that way VS going to an area that is open to BH, but it should be an option to low level paddies who cant play their toon right.
However, once you're a 100k mark you cant grind in the temple anymore.
Message Edited by SomeUser on 06-27-2005 05:13 PM
Ekul05
Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:03 pm
#32
This whole arguement kills me. To me, the question is pretty simple:
Why are you ON the terminals to begin with ????
Dont blame a BH for giving you -300k XP, he's playing the game, as defined by SOE. He's hunting you, because YOU did something to get yourself on the terminal. Want to not get hunted ? Want to grind jedi up without ending up on the terminals ? Simple, you know how not to get visibility, follow those rules, those guidelines. That's the way SOE set it up for you. No sense crying about how you lose something, and how the BH doesnt. You knew the rules, you either ignored them, or want them changed to suit your playstyle, fine, complain to SOE, not the bounty hunters.
It's amusing, that Jedi's know what gives them visibility, and expect that they should not be hunted or killed, even if they do things that give them visibility. They dont like the penalty's associated, so the bad guys become Bounty Hunters, who are the ones who give them those penalties. Truth is, the bad guys, really should be SOE, from the Jedi perspective. Those are the ones who came up with this system, and made the game what it is. Silly though...as a jedi, you knew what you were getting into, and you did it anyhow, and now that you're there....you want it changed ? Pardon me while I fall down laughing.....
SomeUser
Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:07 pm
#33
Shin_Shodei wrote:
So how about you tell me how to play my toon then? I was a origional bh on my server no respec pure grinding. I grinded 23 professions AND i did all the village quests AND i grinded out my force experance needed to become a jedi. I think i'm allowed to talk about bh's who don't have a clue what they are doing becouse they respec'ed into the profession. The only reason padawans can maybe handle a bounty hunter is maybe becouse they have there old profession but when you start droping somtimes you don't have a choice then to become weaker. I know how to play my profession very will, but vs a bounty hunter who knows what they are doing there is a total power difference and there always will be a power difference till somehow i am able to get up in exp enough that i can finally make the power diffence equal so my skill with my profession would count more then "oh crap bounty hunter i can't do damage yet becouse my saber sucks ass i better run to the nearest house". I don't want to feel like i should do that. I want to stand and fight to give you guys some fun and maybe have some fun myself. I'm done talking to you sorry.
If a BH has no clue as to what he is doing then you dont have to worry about him 
The only BH you need to worry about is those that know what they are doing and, in that case, it doesnt matter if they /respec or not. If you have been playing since your forum reg date then you had both a 2 week /respec period plus your token /respec just like the rest of us... And more likely then not you used it just like the rest of us.
Look, I'm not trying to be mean to you, I'm being BLUNT with you. It sounds like you dont know how to play your Jedi toon as well as you might have known how to play your BH toon... Therefore, lets knock off the /respec BS.
GalacticBulge
Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:07 pm
#34
Hey guys, I'm a complete n00b when it comes to Jedi/BH stuff (heck I'm not even force sensitive), but I'm enthralled at their in-game relationship. From the outside looking in, this feud is truly a spectacle to behold. I mean that in a VERY good way. I love reading stories about the BH vs. Jedi fights and such. That is some of the most entertaining content in this game in my opinion. Very captivating.
That said, what exactly gets a Jedi on the BH mission terminals?
Shin_Shodei
Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:09 pm
#35
SomeUser wrote:
Shin_Shodei wrote:
Thanks for your words of wisdom.. i think. This is a game yet you persist to call me a jedi cockarouch? Thats fine. To me your the token bounty hunter. I'm not a wuss and jedi does not take 2 weeks to grind toknights it takes months maybe even a year. your profession takes what? 3 - 5 days? don't call me a wuss when you have nothing to lose. You expect me and other jedi to sit down and take this kind of crap like men? after this publish coming up a MASTER BOUNTY HUNTER can take on a fully tempted jedi. sigh. i'm not gona keep going with this. i just don't think you understand what it's really like..
I'm not calling you a jedi cockroaches as a personal insult, I'm saying Jedi are like cockroaches in this game.
Look man, you might have some valid issues but you're going about it in the wrong way. I personally dont like hunting Padawans as they dont pay that much and Knights (even before Publish 19) are not hard to take down.
I would be all for Jedi keeping their UbEr healing if SOE fixes the LOS bug and prevents Jedi from doing things like /duel to fight what BH has their mark and spamming /offeride to grief a BH once he is engaged with a Jedi.
If you just fixed those aspects Jedi hunting would be easy as all you have to do is wait for the right moment to strike. First strike a Master Jedi after he has been in battle or was /dueling another Jedi and he has no chance.
However, dont expect me (or any other player) to feel bad for you when becoming a Jedi Knight turns out to be a hard road. I'm not speaking as a BH in that regard, I'm speaking as a nearly 2year vet.
My idea is to give low level paddies a Jedi temple to grind at... It should be capped in such a way as to make it 2x or more as long to grind that way VS going to an area that is open to BH, but it should be an option to low level paddies who cant play their toon right.
However, once you're a 100k mark you cant grind in the temple anymore.
I'm also a 2 year vet and as a former bounty hunter i would also like these things to be fixed they are obviously buggy. I also agree with the jedi temple idea, but that would have to be it's own special instance, and with that comes bounty hunters that would be pissed that they can't hunt there bounty. problem is jedi is at it's weakest around 140k. Around 140k is when they start droping there elite profession to make way for more jedi tree's. I'm not trying to be rude to you. i'm also not trying tob*itch or anything. But i don't think any of you will understand the fustration you guys put us threw. There are jedi knights who wish bounty hunters would come after them and there are padawans who totally wish they could be left alone.
SomeUser
Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:11 pm
#36
Ekul05 wrote:
This whole arguement kills me. To me, the question is pretty simple:
Why are you ON the terminals to begin with ????
Ekul05, I'm with ya for the most part and agree... But it is true since the CU, getting exp as a paddy is almost impossible without getting in a grp thus getting on the terms.
I will agree with Jedi something needs to be done there. You should be able to stay off the terms and grind up Jedi... Albiet slowly...
Anyhow, that being said, whatever is eventually done it should be H-A-R-D to become a Jedi Knight... Too many whinny Jedi just want an easy grind... They want that 1.5x more powerful toon but they dont want to "earn" it.
VolvoSsixtyTsix
Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:13 pm
#37
What do other combat proffessions do ? They don't hunt jedi and still have fun, if jedi quit game will become much more interesting again. No more Lightsticks creating lag, once again people with guns running around shooting each other.
Shin_Shodei
Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:13 pm
#38
Atm,
Grouping
fighting NPC's
Dueling
using force powers
these are the ways to get vis that i know of
also if you say "i am a jedi" next to a stormtrooper they will come and kill you which is kinda funny lol.
GalacticBulge wrote:
Hey guys, I'm a complete n00b when it comes to Jedi/BH stuff (heck I'm not even force sensitive), but I'm enthralled at their in-game relationship. From the outside looking in, this feud is truly a spectacle to behold. I mean that in a VERY good way. I love reading stories about the BH vs. Jedi fights and such. That is some of the most entertaining content in this game in my opinion. Very captivating.
That said, what exactly gets a Jedi on the BH mission terminals?
Checito
Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:14 pm
#39
In the jedi defense: Grinding solo is hell with the CU, jedi need the group to grind.
If there fighting say dew's with other people and there using there LS or powers they will end up on a term.
your a jedi, you and your friend are fighting things and you take some wounds or de. the jedi rez's you or heals you. BAM the jedis on the terminal...
Not getting on the terms is near impossible for the jedi.
To be clear, im not a jedi. im a BH
If there fighting say dew's with other people and there using there LS or powers they will end up on a term.
your a jedi, you and your friend are fighting things and you take some wounds or de. the jedi rez's you or heals you. BAM the jedis on the terminal...
Not getting on the terms is near impossible for the jedi.
To be clear, im not a jedi. im a BH