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Thread: Jedi, cut the crap about same faction hunting.
Dark Side Elite:
This was the name given to the seven warriors trained by Emperor Palpatine in the ways of the Dark Side of Force. The origins of the Dark Side Elite were found in Palpatine's Dark Side Compendium, which described a group of Dark Jedi who were totally immersed in the Emperor's will. Known by the title of Executor, each of the seven Elite was believed to have been utterly loyal to Palpatine. Their leader was Sedriss, and among their ranks were Vill Goir, Zasm Katth, Baddon Fass, Krdys Morid, Kvag Gthull, Tedryn-Sha, and Xecr Nist. Only one member of the Dark Side Elite was known to have deserted his service to the Emperor and returned to the Light Side of the Force. This individual was Kam Solusar. With the death of Emperor Palpatine on Onderon, and the destruction of his stronghold on Byss, the members of the Dark Side Elite were also eliminated. A second incarnation of the Dark Side Elite was nearly completed when the Dark Jedi Jerec assembled six followers and trained them in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force. This new incarnation of the Dark Side Elite was eventually defeated by Kyle Katarn, before they could gain access to the Valley of the Jedi on Ruusan and obtain unspeakable power.
Well I think that it is up to each player, that said I think it if its low for any BH to hunt own faction its Rebels. The Rebels would see Jedi as there possible savlation and would only hunt the Sith.
Let me turn that around on you. If you hate Jedi so much, why do you have them join your groups when you do some high-end content or large scale PvP? To use your own words "Don't sit here and say one thing and then do another just because it benefits you at the time."
ericlatrelle wrote:
My whole thing with same faction hunting is this. Palpatine said that all Jedi are an enemy of the state. Even on the BH terminals, some of the missions say that the Empire has no use for Jedi regardless of their affiliation. That tells me that the Empire wants all Jedi eliminated, whether they be Rebel or Imperial. So that means open season for a BH of any faction to hunt Jedi of whatever faction. I can understand that some people feel that they are traitors by hunting same faction. But think about this for a minute. If faction was so all important, why do some Jedi get in grind groups with opposite faction players? Why back when BH's could hunt in groups did Jedihave opposite faction players help them when a BH came to collect his/her bounty? Even if it was an opposite faction BH. But those same Jedi want to cry about same faction BH's hunting them. Don't sit here and say one thing and then do another just because it benefits you at the time.
ShaikeRamjet wrote:
The Dark Side Executors were after the Battle of Endor, not in this time frame. Also, the Emperor's Hands weren't trained to be Jedi. They were trained to be assassins and did not possess the skills of a Jedi. They were merely force sesnitives that were taught to use the force partially, not entirely.
Fair enough, but I will rebut with this:
Do you not hunt same-faction Jedi that are, say, less than 120 skillpoints? That would be about the skills of a half-trained "Hand" in my opinion, some lightsaber, some defender, and then the rest in normal skills. And since it is more beneficial to put all of one's skills in Jedi (for the most part) even a full-templated Jedi could in their roleplay be a "Hand". And as for the Executors: A lot of the things that have been added to the game don't fit this time frame: Dathomir, Mustafar, BARCs, Clone armor, Actis Interceptors, etc, so the 'time frame' argument is in its nature a weak one as you can't really pick and choose which anachronisms you'll accept while still being able to claim that you want it true to the movies. What is more important in that example is that it shows that in certain circumstances the Emperor *WAS* more than willing to make multiple Dark Jedi apprentices, and in the alternate-universe SWG exists in, its entirely possible he already did so.
Also, I don't have the knowledge to argue when the Executors came into being, but might it be possible they existed before Endor either in a different form or in more secrecy? Because from what I remember Dark Empire never established when they were created and in the Jedi Academy Trilogy Kam remembers the Emperor taking him (not the Reborn one) if I recall correctly.
Xalya_Shadowalker wrote:
Let me turn that around on you. If you hate Jedi so much, why do you have them join your groups when you do some high-end content or large scale PvP? To use your own words "Don't sit here and say one thing and then do another just because it benefits you at the time."
ericlatrelle wrote:
My whole thing with same faction hunting is this. Palpatine said that all Jedi are an enemy of the state. Even on the BH terminals, some of the missions say that the Empire has no use for Jedi regardless of their affiliation. That tells me that the Empire wants all Jedi eliminated, whether they be Rebel or Imperial. So that means open season for a BH of any faction to hunt Jedi of whatever faction. I can understand that some people feel that they are traitors by hunting same faction. But think about this for a minute. If faction was so all important, why do some Jedi get in grind groups with opposite faction players? Why back when BH's could hunt in groups did Jedihave opposite faction players help them when a BH came to collect his/her bounty? Even if it was an opposite faction BH. But those same Jedi want to cry about same faction BH's hunting them. Don't sit here and say one thing and then do another just because it benefits you at the time.
Yeah. Okay. First off, I don't hate Jedi. Never did. I'm just making a point. I have no problem with Jedi being here even though it contradicts continuity. I've accepted that it was thrown out the window a long time ago. Second of all. If I hated Jedi so much, my character wouldn't have the FS skills he has and wouldn't be working to be a Jedi himself. And I wouldn't be in a guild where over halfof the members are Jedi and the other half are working on becoming one themselves.If you want to go off on a little tantrum and assume something about someone you have no clue about, hey. That's your perogative. But next time, take time to understand reading comprehension and understand that this is a debate.
And as far as having same faction Jedi in a grinding group with me or there to do high level quest, Idon't see anything wrong with it. All the Jedi I know are pretty cool peeps and would never complain about the piddly stuff that most Jedi on this Forum b!tch about. I just have a problem with people who are hypocrits on these boards and say that someone shouldn't do something but at the same timewill turn around and do the exact opposite.
Who cares. If you are in same faction it doesnt matter unless your guild does not allow same faction hunting.
It is up to your guild if you hunt same faction
It is up to you if you join a guild
And as for movies.....
Star Wars Jedi:Dooku, Qui-Gon,Darth Vader, Luke, Obi, Yoda, several other Darths mentioned, a room full of Jedi children, a Jedi acadamy, and the list goes on and on and ...
Star Wars Bounty Hunters: Jango, Boba Fett, ???, ??? well, I cant think of others though Im sure there are a few who are also not Jedi.
Point is, saying Jedi numbers are too high when the number of Bounty Hunters is way off balance compaired to the story is silly.
ericlatrelle wrote:
Xalya_Shadowalker wrote:
Let me turn that around on you. If you hate Jedi so much, why do you have them join your groups when you do some high-end content or large scale PvP? To use your own words "Don't sit here and say one thing and then do another just because it benefits you at the time."
ericlatrelle wrote:
My whole thing with same faction hunting is this. Palpatine said that all Jedi are an enemy of the state. Even on the BH terminals, some of the missions say that the Empire has no use for Jedi regardless of their affiliation. That tells me that the Empire wants all Jedi eliminated, whether they be Rebel or Imperial. So that means open season for a BH of any faction to hunt Jedi of whatever faction. I can understand that some people feel that they are traitors by hunting same faction. But think about this for a minute. If faction was so all important, why do some Jedi get in grind groups with opposite faction players? Why back when BH's could hunt in groups did Jedihave opposite faction players help them when a BH came to collect his/her bounty? Even if it was an opposite faction BH. But those same Jedi want to cry about same faction BH's hunting them. Don't sit here and say one thing and then do another just because it benefits you at the time.
Yeah. Okay. First off, I don't hate Jedi. Never did. I'm just making a point. I have no problem with Jedi being here even though it contradicts continuity. I've accepted that it was thrown out the window a long time ago. Second of all. If I hated Jedi so much, my character wouldn't have the FS skills he has and wouldn't be working to be a Jedi himself. And I wouldn't be in a guild where over halfof the members are Jedi and the other half are working on becoming one themselves.If you want to go off on a little tantrum and assume something about someone you have no clue about, hey. That's your perogative. But next time, take time to understand reading comprehension and understand that this is a debate.
And as far as having same faction Jedi in a grinding group with me or there to do high level quest, Idon't see anything wrong with it. All the Jedi I know are pretty cool peeps and would never complain about the piddly stuff that most Jedi on this Forum b!tch about. I just have a problem with people who are hypocrits on these boards and say that someone shouldn't do something but at the same timewill turn around and do the exact opposite.
Xalya_Shadowalker wrote:
ericlatrelle wrote:
Xalya_Shadowalker wrote:
Let me turn that around on you. If you hate Jedi so much, why do you have them join your groups when you do some high-end content or large scale PvP? To use your own words "Don't sit here and say one thing and then do another just because it benefits you at the time."
ericlatrelle wrote:
My whole thing with same faction hunting is this. Palpatine said that all Jedi are an enemy of the state. Even on the BH terminals, some of the missions say that the Empire has no use for Jedi regardless of their affiliation. That tells me that the Empire wants all Jedi eliminated, whether they be Rebel or Imperial. So that means open season for a BH of any faction to hunt Jedi of whatever faction. I can understand that some people feel that they are traitors by hunting same faction. But think about this for a minute. If faction was so all important, why do some Jedi get in grind groups with opposite faction players? Why back when BH's could hunt in groups did Jedihave opposite faction players help them when a BH came to collect his/her bounty? Even if it was an opposite faction BH. But those same Jedi want to cry about same faction BH's hunting them. Don't sit here and say one thing and then do another just because it benefits you at the time.
Yeah. Okay. First off, I don't hate Jedi. Never did. I'm just making a point. I have no problem with Jedi being here even though it contradicts continuity. I've accepted that it was thrown out the window a long time ago. Second of all. If I hated Jedi so much, my character wouldn't have the FS skills he has and wouldn't be working to be a Jedi himself. And I wouldn't be in a guild where over halfof the members are Jedi and the other half are working on becoming one themselves.If you want to go off on a little tantrum and assume something about someone you have no clue about, hey. That's your perogative. But next time, take time to understand reading comprehension and understand that this is a debate.
And as far as having same faction Jedi in a grinding group with me or there to do high level quest, Idon't see anything wrong with it. All the Jedi I know are pretty cool peeps and would never complain about the piddly stuff that most Jedi on this Forum b!tch about. I just have a problem with people who are hypocrits on these boards and say that someone shouldn't do something but at the same timewill turn around and do the exact opposite.
I think you misunderstood my point. My comments weren't directed at you in particular but more against the argument you were presenting in your statement.
You said (in defense of those who hunt same faction): The emperor wants all Jedi dead, therefore BH should hunt same faction Jedi because all Jedi are criminals under the Empire.
You also said (regarding Jedi who complain about these hunters): Faction must not be too important to them because they group with opposing faction members in grind groups, so they shouldn't complain about same-faction hunters.
I responded by drawing a parallel between Jedi only being Factionally-concious when it suits their goals (not being hunted) and Bounty Hunters only being Criminal Jedi-concious (meaning all of them are criminals) when it suits their goals (hunting same-faction Jedi), and then both of them turning around and disregarding their ideals when it suits their purposes (either hunting with opposing faction or grouping with Jedi).
Anyways, thats what I meant. No flame intended
Hey, cuz. It's cool.
I do agree with you that Jedi and BH's both use it to their advantage when the time permits. I don't like it because that is being a hypocrit. I just wish that BH was it's own faction so we wouldn't have these discussions/arguments/b!tching about faction. I have always felt that BH's never belonged to a faction except one about money. IfI havecame off as being harsh, I am man enough to apologize for it.