Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: New tactic vs. Jedi with stasis?
Damian-j
Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:04 pm
#27
Nathanielstarr wrote:
I think this thread and any thread discussing the /duel exploits shows that more Jedi exploit and do so on a regular basis. They actually defend exploiters almost 100% while very few BHs would support an exploiting BH. To me it lies in the nature of a person that is drawn to a profession that is better than all others, as I think we can all admit that very few Jedi do it for roleplaying purposes.
Did you really get hit by the /duel exploit everytime you faced a bh? I didn't think so. I imagine if you asked the Jedi that were around then to honestly list the names of Bounty hunters that used that exploit when that exploit was available the list would be miniscule in comparison to the number of Jedi that use the duel exploit. But now as things are if the jedi has a chance they all do the /duel exploit to me now.
BTW if root broke on attack you can bet that Jedi would surely be dueling their friends to break it.
There are more Jedi than BH's ingame, I accept that alot of Jedi use the /duel bug, I however do not and do not condone it.
The ones that defend it are the ones that use it, I guarantee its not 100% of them. A large majority yes, but not all.
I play Jedi to have fun, never have I said that I wanted to be Uber or unbeatable in a fight. Alot of others think like me, but yes there are quite a few that want to be GOD. There are alot of BH's like this also.
I did not get /duelled by every BH, that is what my post was trying to highlight, you can't blanket a whole profession as exploiters. I can list the names of the BH's that tried to use this exploit on me, luckily I had a hotkey setup to /duel the targetted player back then so I could defuse any unfair advantage the exploiting BH had at the time. When a BH comes for me 9 times out of 10 I see him long before he attacks, I have never used /duel to determine if he was after me, I wait for him to attack, I eat/drink my foods and then go to work on him. I would find it quite boring to know that a BH was after me as it takes the fun out of it.
Yep and I think alot of BH's would /duel their friends to break root also if they could.
I stood by one day and watched one of my guildees on screen fighting a BH till he went LD, when I asked him in Ventrillo what happened he told me that he got so many offerride windows spammed at him he crashed. The BH had a friend come along with a /Offerride spam macro and locked up my buddies computer, made him LD and then the BH killed him and says PWNED in spatial.
There are alot of exploiting Jedi I know, but there are alos alot of exploiting wearing BH tags too.
Virtuell
Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:30 pm
#28
Compton wrote:
It's all useless now anyway. If a Jedi has cloak, a BH no longer has the first strike ability. Stasis or not, this game is turning into a joke. I'm not crying nerf, I'm just stating that the ability's that BHs once the advantage on are starting to fade.
Yes, you have the first strike ability, the Jedi can't attack you on sight unless you have engaged your target.
So choose wisely the the time and place when you engage your target...
Message Edited by Virtuell on 09-15-2005 08:47 AM
DTQ
Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:39 am
#29
Virtuell wrote:
Compton wrote:
It's all useless now anyway. If a Jedi has cloak, a BH no longer has the first strike ability. Stasis or not, this game is turning into a joke. I'm not crying nerf, I'm just stating that the ability's that BHs once the advantage on are starting to fade.
Yes, you have the first strike ability, the Jedi can't attack you on sight unless you have engaged your target.
So choose wisely the the time and place when you engage your target...
Message Edited by Virtuell on 09-15-2005 08:47 AM
Then get reported for harasement and have the jedi posting their winge here as well
, sorry not a flame but theres been a few posts lately from jedi when BH have been attempting to use tactics.
HeadRoll
Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:44 am
#30
Yah you would get reported but Jedi exploit 100 times more then any profession and look what it's done to them? I don't see any of them getting penalized. In fact the only thing SOE will penalize you for is credit duping and Tiggs latest post on placing base entrances by large objects so no one can get in.
Damian-j wrote:
Compton wrote:
Last night I fought a Jedi. He saw me load into his player city at the shuttle port. He immidiately hit the buffs and food. I hit mine and said, "What the heck?" After fighting for a few minutes, he began to run low on force (He was Mpowers). I tanked him for a little while while he use up his force. But then as I started to win, he hit me with stasis and took off to regen. Once stasis wore off and I was ready to return to battle, he had regened. He did this three times.
My question is, couldn't I bring a friend with me to /duel me while I was fighting the jedi, and say I had my friend remain unarmed. So everytime the Jedi used stasis, my friend would attack me and break me free. Anyone know if this works?
The reason I ask is because there is one Jedi in my guild who i get intel on many of the Jedi marks I take. He knows almost everyone's temp and gives me some advice on their strengths and weaknesses, so I would probably know if I was going up against an MPowers.
You could do that yes, but you'd get reported for doing it since its a known exploit.
Also Stasis is in Enhancer not Powers.
Digitalalchemyzt
Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:05 am
#31
all of this complaining, this is really sad. and the New bounty hunters who hunt and have this many problems with NO premium crystal drops or perfects, what are you going to do when perfects or premiums start dropping? are you all going to quit? Are u aware that the most difficult jedi to take down are ones with perfect and near perfect sabers? that day is comming. If u think you have problems now, you just wait.
For the old bhs. Talk to these new ones PLEASE!
Aries1
Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:03 am
#32
Like all dazes that prevent action Statis is broken if the target is attacked.
Frist I don't condone having a player break it since you are in lock down and dueling another to break it could be considered an exploit since it is out side help.
So...first don't fight in player cities. I've had BH do it to me and they always lose.
The advantage is the jedi's at that point and you need to wait them out till they leave or spy on them if they are dueling and swoop in if they incap. Never shuttle into a player city were your mark is, very stupid move.
Statis jedi are just like any player with a daze special you need an outside attack to break it.
I wouldn't use a pc since it might be considered an exploit.
Ideally you want to get the jedi out in the open with npc or creatures around. Get one of the npcs or creatuers to agro you and keep the aggro. If your lucky and it's mid level it won't cause enough damage to matter but will break any statis.
Npc and creatures are your friends in a fight, know asa Jedi i've used them against BH'rs to good effect.
Aries1
Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:05 am
#33
Like all dazes that prevent action Statis is broken if the target is attacked.
Frist I don't condone having a player break it since you are in lock down and dueling another to break it could be considered an exploit since it is out side help.
So...first don't fight in player cities. I've had BH do it to me and they always lose.
The advantage is the jedi's at that point and you need to wait them out till they leave or spy on them if they are dueling and swoop in if they incap. Never shuttle into a player city were your mark is, very stupid move.
Statis jedi are just like any player with a daze special you need an outside attack to break it.
I wouldn't use a pc since it might be considered an exploit.
Ideally you want to get the jedi out in the open with npc or creatures around. Get one of the npcs or creatuers to agro you and keep the aggro. If your lucky and it's mid level it won't cause enough damage to matter but will break any statis.
Npc and creatures are your friends in a fight, know asa Jedi i've used them against BH'rs to good effect.
Compton
Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:50 am
#34
Darka-ce wrote:
Compton wrote:
It's all useless now anyway. If a Jedi has cloak, a BH no longer has the first strike ability. Stasis or not, this game is turning into a joke. I'm not crying nerf, I'm just stating that the ability's that BHs once the advantage on are starting to fade.
My friend, a Jedi cannot attack a BH unless the BH has attack first. Sure, they can cloak if they see you coming, but CANNOT attack you first. Therefore your argument is not only invalid, it demonstrates your newness to the BH profession
No, and I'll tell you why.
I've seen this happen to many BH, and once to my self. What happens is, say, I'm a rifleman. I'm not going to be very close to my target when I attack. I open up with sniper shot, the Jedi realizes he's under attack, and since I'm 60m away, he cloaks. Now he has 2.5 minutes so buff, slam some foods, and decide where and when to attack. This is how BHs lose their first strike ability. The Jedi no longer has to spend time mid fight buffing and eatting. Not flaming, just saying.
Darka-ce
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:06 am
#35
Compton wrote:
Darka-ce wrote:
Compton wrote:
It's all useless now anyway. If a Jedi has cloak, a BH no longer has the first strike ability. Stasis or not, this game is turning into a joke. I'm not crying nerf, I'm just stating that the ability's that BHs once the advantage on are starting to fade.
My friend, a Jedi cannot attack a BH unless the BH has attack first. Sure, they can cloak if they see you coming, but CANNOT attack you first. Therefore your argument is not only invalid, it demonstrates your newness to the BH profession
No, and I'll tell you why.I've seen this happen to many BH, and once to my self. What happens is, say, I'm a rifleman. I'm not going to be very close to my target when I attack. I open up with sniper shot, the Jedi realizes he's under attack, and since I'm 60m away, he cloaks. Now he has 2.5 minutes so buff, slam some foods, and decide where and when to attack. This is how BHs lose their first strike ability. The Jedi no longer has to spend time mid fight buffing and eatting. Not flaming, just saying.
Sir,
In the above described situation did you or did you not initiate the attack? YOU still pulled the first strike. As far as the Jedi now being aware of your presence and consequently, cloaking and preparing for battle, your own BH correspondant will concur by saying that this IS WORKING AS INTENDED. There are ways to defeat a cloaked Jedi. I(f you want to know the secret, send me a PM or consult with the more veteran Bounty Hunters. Alas, a rifleman at 60 meters is most definitely not one of them.
"Learn your profession, stop trying to nerf others"
Compton
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:10 am
#36
Compton wrote:
It's all useless now anyway. If a Jedi has cloak, a BH no longer has the first strike ability. Stasis or not, this game is turning into a joke. I'm not crying nerf, I'm just stating that the ability's that BHs once the advantage on are starting to fade.
Read the entire thread before making yourself look like a jacka$$.
Spookibus
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:13 am
#37
alpinestreams wrote:
master enhancers take a very serious drop in defenses and other skills for the privledge of having stasis ... makes them pretty much bh proof ... but then again master defender is pretty good too ... or cloak ... umm ... its scissors paper bounty hunter I'm afraid.
Then stasis is overpowered. It's no more an exploit than a Jedi havinga friend orcreature intentionallyDB him.
Katalisha
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:43 am
#38
Spookibus wrote:
alpinestreams wrote:
master enhancers take a very serious drop in defenses and other skills for the privledge of having stasis ... makes them pretty much bh proof ... but then again master defender is pretty good too ... or cloak ... umm ... its scissors paper bounty hunter I'm afraid.
Then stasis is overpowered. It's no more an exploit than a Jedi havinga friend orcreature intentionallyDB him.
Stasis is not overpowered in any way, shape or form. It breaks on damage, it cannot be spammed and the force cost is excessive.
pepe4158
Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:46 am
#39
Look its all plain and so simple that how come I am the only one to see this....if theirs bugs....both sides will use them....dont flame each other for it....flame SOE and Lucas arts for being stupid enought to fall into the same trap as all gaming companies....rush things to market....full of bugs....just for profit.
Its a joke that some people will report a bug.....cuz SOE knows they are on thin ice themselves for releasing a defective product....ye thats technically what a bugy program is....so why bother.
So the argument should you quit if you do or dont use bugs.....hell no....its still a fun game with the bugs....understand that this is a complex system and bound to have some bugs face it. Just place as much pressure on Lucas Arts as possible to fix it....not waste time flaming and reporting.....You know a lot of people that I try to convert to SOE say the same thing, 'I've heard its full of bugs...no way.' So I think finally when it dawns on Lucas Art's they may lose some $ it might sink in to fix things up.