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Thread: last ditch being used as a first strike -exploit-

Eutock
Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:54 pm
#27






Issik wrote:
Using the MOBs to get his health very low: Very smart, not an exploit. That's fighting using his surroundings.

Using a pet to get yourself incapped before last ditch: Exploit.

That's my opinion of it at least.





/agree


I've never had LD, but if I understand correctly doing this poses a huge risk to the BH of being incapped, not to mention the possibility of the special missing.





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Diversion
Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:10 pm
#28

The tactic could backfire. It's not like the TEF bug that always work so I wouldn't use it but I don't see a problem with it. If it worked everytime it would be another matter.



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Kabar22
Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:24 pm
#29






timit wrote:


Heres the story.

Im grinding in theryyatt trail. A bh comes. I know this bh because i escaped her/him as a lower level paddy before in the myydril caves with the crystal you get from a quest down there.

So i stop attacking wookies and stand away to prepare for a fight. This bh < jadelance > runs off of the first bridge with mobs close behind her/him. Runs past and runs accross the other bridge out of my sight. She/he then comes back and hits me for 4632damage <1 shot incap>.She got close to being incapped by the mob and then use last ditch shot on me AS A FIRST STRIKE. She did not get incapped in the process. Doesnt last ditch incap both players?This is what someone else has said, and yes, i checked the combat log. <4632 damage>. A shot this powerful should not be used as a first strike attack on a bh's mark. This gives jedi no chance to react at all. So i say,the ability for bh's to use this as a initiating attack is a exploit and needs to be fixed. Flame away if you must.





So because you were flanked and he made the best of his first move you cry EXPLOIT.... come on you are 1.5 TIMES stronger than a double major and you cry exploit.







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DayWalkerRori
Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:51 pm
#30






mindspat wrote:






DayWalkerRori wrote:

This is a Exploit yet, Jedi runing into buildings while in a fight to regen Force isnt?


LOL Good Greef







I'm curious why you would think Jedi who fight a BH then run into a house to regen just to pop back out a few minutes later to attack isn't an exploit.


Both need to be corrected.


You REALLY want to leav a mark on a Jedi?


Obtain a FocusCrystal +2000 health and any thing else that can boost your health, locate friendlt Stormtrooper and /slap him. If you used an incap recovery food you should be up in seconds. Target the mark and LD his sitdown !! (show me some screenies of the damage you can do with this)


Yeah, that's not an exploit.


*edit: As a matter of fact. As soon as my favorite pistoleer/smug gets back in game (this weekend) I'll test this and post some screenies for you all.



Message Edited by mindspat on 06-29-2005 03:46 PM




You took what I said the wrong way...Jedi unning into a house to regen during a fight is a Exploit..The LD fired as the first shot isnt....The BH took a HUGE chance here..


Qwad
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:07 pm
#31

Why do you guys reply to obvious trolls??

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timit
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:42 pm
#32






Kabar22 wrote:






timit wrote:


Heres the story.

Im grinding in theryyatt trail. A bh comes. I know this bh because i escaped her/him as a lower level paddy before in the myydril caves with the crystal you get from a quest down there.

So i stop attacking wookies and stand away to prepare for a fight. This bh < jadelance > runs off of the first bridge with mobs close behind her/him. Runs past and runs accross the other bridge out of my sight. She/he then comes back and hits me for 4632damage <1 shot incap>.She got close to being incapped by the mob and then use last ditch shot on me AS A FIRST STRIKE. She did not get incapped in the process. Doesnt last ditch incap both players?This is what someone else has said, and yes, i checked the combat log. <4632 damage>. A shot this powerful should not be used as a first strike attack on a bh's mark. This gives jedi no chance to react at all. So i say,the ability for bh's to use this as a initiating attack is a exploit and needs to be fixed. Flame away if you must.





So because you were flanked and he made the best of his first move you cry EXPLOIT.... come on you are 1.5 TIMES stronger than a double major and you cry exploit.










Does it say in the specials description.When its to be used?



TIMIT
Eskie
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:00 pm
#33

As already discussed on the jedi boards, this is an exploit, reasoning being:
CU design documents stated one-hit incaps are not intended.
Last Ditch itself is working fine.
Slapping a stormie / fighting critters is working fine.
Using stormies / critters to get an artificially low health to be able to open up a fight with Last Ditch is exploiting, since by CU design one-hit incaps are not intended, so it should not be happening and it is a bug - using a bug to gain an advantage over other players is exploiting.

The counterpoint I heard most: The BH/smuggler has a chance to fail, which more than likely will result in a DB by the mark.
So what? Trying to commit a crime and failing doing so does not make that crime a legal act.

This belongs in the BH boards, by the way, because this special only has a first-strike capability if used by a BH. If a pure smuggler wants to use it, he would have to join Special Forces to be able to attack another player, open to counterattack. Only when a BH gets close to 0 health in safety without fear of being incapped and deathblown by his mark Last Ditch can be used as a first strike.



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sicknut
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:18 pm
#34

I say Last ditch should not be changed. The BH struggled through (MOBS what is that) to get to the jedi and when the BH though he had no chance he did a last ditch and succeded in killing his target. Nothing wrong with that... Its not really an exploit its a risk that a BH took and succeded cause he could have died instead of just having low energy.


Just because something works against doesnt make it bad just learn how to avoid it... as in this case your a jedi whos being hunted... hide better... actually thats my answer to all jedi if you could hide better then maybe you wouldnt have to worry so much of dying
l00ph0le
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:22 pm
#35

Well Timit, you had to drag the drama over to this forum once the post was deleted on the Starsider forums... Did you post this on the smuggler and jedi forums as well... GOD DO YOU WHINE TOO MUCH.... do me a favor and continue afk grinding your jedi on the Ryatt Trail... Please also remember to run to the bridge and be non-targetable when anyone shows up. Please dont forget the old /unstick to escape back to the entrance...you know how many Jedi I see do that a night.

Apparently you choose the wrong forum to whine on because most Bounty Hunters here dont seem to mind....I can already here the B!tch Slapping of Stormies across the servers.. followed by a hehe cool as another incapped jedi hits the floor. Next time pay better attention...



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l00ph0le
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:25 pm
#36

Want to see how much of a crybaby this guy is...Please go back and look at his post history.

LOL

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/tracker?user.id=280289



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Badname0291
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:26 pm
#37

last ditch is hideously tempramental, ive duelled many smugglers and only one has ever managed to hit with it. (i didnt get incapped as i had higher health than the smiggler).



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timit
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:26 pm
#38






Kakabus wrote:

I think that every jedi who cries because they got db'd should be considered harrassment to the galactic population. Furthermore, you were at the kash trail? So basically you are in a sense, exploiting as well. People who go to place to just stand still and continually kill regenerating MOBs should be considered exploiters as well. Whether your AFK or not. So I guess you're just getting yourjust rewards!

Message Edited by Kakabus on 06-29-200503:40 PM






Ummm. Killing something over and over is what we all do to grind xp. Wether im using my bike to fly to a mission over and over or not. Ifyourgrinding and your spawn of bowlsdisappeared andreappered with a full health lair and new creatures, how many people doyou know that would run away from it and go get another mission?I dont agree with afk grinding thats for sure.

Dont turn the post into a 'whos got the best exploit' contest aye. This is about the last ditch being used as initiating shot.Im not saying nerf it.Keep the extremly high damage output it inflicts.Keep it. Hug it.Love it. Cherish it. All i want is for it not to be used as a initiatingshot between a bh and a jedi.Its called last ditch for a reason.

I dont know where everyone gets this jedi are so strong crap. My rifleman/CM alt does way more damage than any jedi ive seen. And as for the healing part, anyone can use stims for 1100 a pop, drink some ruby bliel-or whatever its called-and you can heal almost as fast.



TIMIT
LexanderFarlander
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:31 pm
#39

The specials description? you're joking you think if i use a skill at time that isnt recommended by some itallic text its an exploit.. how bout if i let you hit me and not heal then use LD am i exploiting too because im trying to get my health low so i can hit you hard. The way i see it you were just being careless and not watching your enviroment you're supposed to be hunted and every now and then someone better than you will come along get over it you're gonna die most jedi do



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