Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: NOT Hunting same faction? Isn't an option anymore...
Eskie
Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:45 am
#27
KurwaMac wrote:
Eskie wrote:
Go read the last post from Blixtev on the Dev tracker before screaming the skies are falling. The terms will not show Jedi names, but "Imperial Jedi", "Rebel Jedi" or "Neutral Jedi".
Hey retard, look at the time/date of this post before you assume I made it after Blixtev...
Lol - sorry. This thread was above the one Blixtev replied to when I was browsing the forum.
Oikaleek
Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:56 am
#28
Umm for your info mr. know it all, the Bounty Hunters hired by Vader in the Empire Strikes Backwere for Luke...Han Solo happened to bea by-product and sub-reward for Boba Fett since he also had a Bounty on him. I don't read expanded universe. But I know the movies all to well.
Boba Fett, Dengar, IG-88, 4-LOM, Zuckuss and Bossk were hired to track down Luke, at the time, the closest thing to a Jedi known to Vader, the man responsible with ferretting out and exterminating Jedi by the Emperor, the man that got rid of them all in the first place by tempting with power/money/control and offering to those he could manipulate to achieve his goal. The death of all Jedi everywhere. Would he train other force sensatives to do this? I'm sure he would so long as he was in complete control of them. If they did anythingout of line/character, they would be destroyed.Would they be Jedi? Absolutely not.
buhbye
Message Edited by Oikaleek on 07-06-2005 11:03 AM
Oikaleek
Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:37 am
#29
Umm, sure the order was for the Falcon...in an effort to capture Luke Skywalker. Vader had no interest in Solo. His only interest was the Jedi. He hired the BH's to find the Jedi's friends in an effort to ferret out the Jedi. Therefore the bounty hunters were indirectly huntingLuke, the Jedi.
This is why there are Jedi bounties in the game. Because the Emperor and Vader want them all dead or turned to the dark side, thus not being a Jedi anymore, for Jedi follow the Light Side of the force.
Message Edited by Oikaleek on 07-06-2005 11:39 AM
KJFett3
Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:13 pm
#30
Oikaleek wrote:
Attitude?
Because I called you Mr.Know-it-all? lol
Sorry, not trying to offend anyone...this is what I know about star wars in regards to these matters. I am surely not all knowledgeable with every star wars informative document ever released in my possession, but I do know the movies very well. I know that Vader wanted Luke. I know that Luke's friends were in the Falcon. I know Vader used Bounty Hunters to capture Han and the rest in an effort to get his son, Luke, to come to the rescue. Therefore Vader used Bounty Huntersin an effort to capture Luke.
I also know that Darth Sidious in an effort to simultaneously exterminate the Jedi and take control of the galaxy,lured at least twoJedi Knights to his calling through the dark side of the force. Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus and Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader.I don't know how Tyrannus became Sidious' apprentice. But i do know it was after Sidious'previous apprentice was killed. I do know how Anakinbecame the apprentice. He killed Tyrannus. I also know thatDarth Sidious intention for Luke Skywalker was toreplace DarthVader. Thus another single Jedi replacing a Sith Lord at the side of the Sith Master.From everything I have seen in the movies, there is no other mention of any other Jedi serving the Empire. Force sensatives perhaps in the EU serving directly underthe Sith Master himself, and maybe the occasional Dark Jedi sighting that is just as much prone to being killedby the Empire as it would beLight Side Jedi.
There should be no imperial Jedi. Force sensatives, sure why not? But no Jedi. Light or Dark.
Lords Sidious and Vader are Sith :there can be only a master and an apprentice.
Dark Jediand Sith are not the same thing /shrug
You would do well to learn how the Sith is structured. Play Knights of the Old Republic to see. Even there, there is a Master and an Apprentice while at the same time...many many Sith Master/Knight/Padawan Jedi.
As for the original comment about who the BHs where hunting....they were not after Luke, not even inderictly. They knew nothing about him. He was not their target. Those aboard the Falcon where. That's it. No one else. Luke was not onboard that Falcon. They were ordered to get teh Falcon, and even if you argued all that were in it, it would still not include Luke. They didn't know anyhting about Luke. They thought they were after criminals wanted by the Empire. They caught them (well Boba Fett) did. It was up to Vader to do what he wanted with them, and he chose to set a trap with them. Nothing about that has to do with hunting a jedi. They knew nothing about Luke or his being a jedi. Vader didn't tell them to capture them so he could even setup a trap.
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Oikaleek
Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:18 pm
#31
You mean this isn't KOTOR? 
As for the Sith structure,now there are two and only two thanks to, I believe, Exar'Kun if I'm not mistaken.
And I have played and finished both Knights of the Republic as both Light and Dark Jedi. It might doSWG some good toborrow a thing or two from those games as well.
Vader used theBounty Huntersas a craftsman would use a tool. For the SOLE purpose of finding Luke. Regardless if the Bounty Hunters knew what Vader was doing or not. Even Lando knew Vader was looking for Luke and not the Falcon crew...
Also, there is no such thing as a Sith Jedi. There are Jedi, there are fallen Dark Jedi, and there are Sith. They are all different from one another and not one would say the other is the same as they are other than that they weild the force and tend to prefer lightsabers as weapons.
Message Edited by Oikaleek on 07-06-2005 04:20 PM
KJFett3
Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:34 pm
#32
Oikaleek wrote:
You mean this isn't KOTOR?
As for the Sith structure,now there are two and only two thanks to, I believe, Exar'Kun if I'm not mistaken.
Better go back and play KOTOR1 again so you can get your history in order there...or go visit the guy over YavinIV. Exar'Kun was already dead on Yavin by a Republic space bombardement years earlier.
And I have played and finished both Knights of the Republic as both Light and Dark Jedi. It might doSWG some good toborrow a thing or two from those games as well.
I agree there
Vader used theBounty Huntersas a craftsman would use a tool. For the SOLE purpose of finding Luke. Regardless if the Bounty Hunters knew what Vader was doing or not. Even Lando knew Vader was looking for Luke and not the Falcon crew...
Well, when they are having you hunt Smugglers so Vader can catch the jedi in the game, you can say they are the same as what we have in game. Till then, they are not the same.
Also, there is no such thing as a Sith Jedi. There are Jedi, there are fallen Dark Jedi, and there are Sith. They are all different from one another and not one would say the other is the same as they are other than that they weild the force and tend to prefer lightsabers as weapons.
Sith is a way of life. A belief system. Sure there are fallen jedi, that may not even claim to be Sith, but if you talk like one, act like one and think like one...you probably are one. A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Message Edited by Oikaleek on 07-06-2005 04:20 PM
Oikaleek
Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:41 pm
#33
Been a looooong time since I played the first one...perhaps you're right.
Moxon521
Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:56 pm
#34
KJFett3 wrote:
All jedi? Shows how little you know of your own Empire. The Emperor uses jedi to do his bidding. It is his and only his right to deal with jedi. He does not higher Bounty Hunters do deal with them. It was the jedi of the council that tried to overthrow him, and it was the Imperial Military he used to deal with them, not Bounty Hunters.
A Rebel agent putting a bounty on an Imperial officer and then an Imperial soldier going and killing that officer....is nothing but treason and murder. If they are a jedi, then it is for the Emperor to deal with in his own way, not for some gun slinging, two timing, backstabber, embarassment to the Empire to deal out justice.
As in any organization, order must be maintained. If we let ever Imperial BH go around shooting whoever they thought was a jedi, we would have corruption. We would have people doing it for thier own good, not the Emperor's. No, you do not hunt them for the Empire. What you do is weaken the Empire. No Imperial that weakens the Empire is going to get a medal. Not by along shot.
I wont even go into the political ramifications from an Imperial BH killing an Overt Jedi that is engaged in combat against rebels at the time of the attack. No, such a BH would have no right to his rank, nor his life.
If that were true, or even an important part to the Star Wars world, the devs would have implemented a same faction vs. same factionrestriction into the game somehow. But they have not, this rule is a player made rule and holds no water with me. I do not follow player maderules.The game allows and encourages all BH's to hunt all Jedi, so that is how I play. Until the game no longer allows me to hunt imperial jedi because I am imperial I will continue to hunt them. Players screaming "You're imp hunting imp!!" merely created this bunk rule to try tosave their tail frombeing hunted by the majority of the BH population which are imperial. I hunt all jedi, and if they get pissed and ban me from their cities, so be it... If they take down my guild-tag and start hunting my guild mates, so be it. My guild's jedi can take care of themselves (Though this new change in pub20 will completely elliminate the threats of purposefully hunting certain jedi). Ban me from your cities.I could care less. Nothing is more enjoyable to me than a long swoop ride over the dunes, so I don't mind being banned from Mos Kashyyk...
KJFett3
Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:01 pm
#35
Oikaleek wrote:
Been a looooong time since I played the first one...perhaps you're right.
Besides...the Father of the New Sith Order was Darth Bane. About a thousand years before our time. He found a holocron containing all the dark side knowledge. It was found in the tomb of Freedon Nadd on Dxun. Naturally, the tomb was empty as the force essence of Freedon had been destroyed 3,000 years earlier by Exar'Kun. It was Darth Bane that had decided that the Sith had become weak because so many Sith Lords had spread the force then. So he is the one that decided that it wouldbe limited to 2. A Master and an Apprentice. (Whats odd about that is that it would have taken place not too long before Yoda was born.) So, there was no Sith mandate that there were to only be 2. It was just one guy that by finding this holocron became stronger than the others and He decided it was to be 2. That doesn't mean that a sith now couldn't decide that he was a moron, and that he had corrupted the dark side for the last thousand years and that more jedi should be taught in the ways of the dark side...Sith. For Many thousands of years, there were as many Sith/Dark Jedi as there were light jedi. Its only been in recent (bear in mind the republic was around for 25,000 years) times that they were only to be found as 2. That in no ways means it would remain that way, or must remain that way.
There, now you all have had you history lesson of the Sith. Also, yes, it is Darth Bane that was the one to pass down the Darth on to those that followed. Bane studied under Lord Qordis. "The Sith Lords were many; their followers, legion"
KJFett3
Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:05 pm
#36
lol you crack me up! I won't even bother to read the rest of your post. That first line is too much! The devs would have implemented it? How long did it take them to get the TEF to keep jedi from running into houses? How long did it take them to even get droids to work! How long will it take them to get it so they can be hunted in space?! Don't give me that drival. The devs don't follow continuity. I am saying what I see in the EU/Movies/RP material. Something that very little in this game seems to follow. My point is not to try to claim RPing as a justification for it. Hold to that fact that the devs haven't restricted it. Its all you have.
Moxon521 wrote:
KJFett3 wrote:
All jedi? Shows how little you know of your own Empire. The Emperor uses jedi to do his bidding. It is his and only his right to deal with jedi. He does not higher Bounty Hunters do deal with them. It was the jedi of the council that tried to overthrow him, and it was the Imperial Military he used to deal with them, not Bounty Hunters.
A Rebel agent putting a bounty on an Imperial officer and then an Imperial soldier going and killing that officer....is nothing but treason and murder. If they are a jedi, then it is for the Emperor to deal with in his own way, not for some gun slinging, two timing, backstabber, embarassment to the Empire to deal out justice.
As in any organization, order must be maintained. If we let ever Imperial BH go around shooting whoever they thought was a jedi, we would have corruption. We would have people doing it for thier own good, not the Emperor's. No, you do not hunt them for the Empire. What you do is weaken the Empire. No Imperial that weakens the Empire is going to get a medal. Not by along shot.
I wont even go into the political ramifications from an Imperial BH killing an Overt Jedi that is engaged in combat against rebels at the time of the attack. No, such a BH would have no right to his rank, nor his life.
If that were true, or even an important part to the Star Wars world, the devs would have implemented a same faction vs. same factionrestriction into the game somehow. But they have not, this rule is a player made rule and holds no water with me. I do not follow player maderules.The game allows and encourages all BH's to hunt all Jedi, so that is how I play. Until the game no longer allows me to hunt imperial jedi because I am imperial I will continue to hunt them. Players screaming "You're imp hunting imp!!" merely created this bunk rule to try tosave their tail frombeing hunted by the majority of the BH population which are imperial. I hunt all jedi, and if they get pissed and ban me from their cities, so be it... If they take down my guild-tag and start hunting my guild mates, so be it. My guild's jedi can take care of themselves (Though this new change in pub20 will completely elliminate the threats of purposefully hunting certain jedi). Ban me from your cities.I could care less. Nothing is more enjoyable to me than a long swoop ride over the dunes, so I don't mind being banned from Mos Kashyyk...
KurwaMac
Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:30 am
#37
Eskie wrote:
KurwaMac wrote:
Eskie wrote:
Go read the last post from Blixtev on the Dev tracker before screaming the skies are falling. The terms will not show Jedi names, but "Imperial Jedi", "Rebel Jedi" or "Neutral Jedi".
Hey retard, look at the time/date of this post before you assume I made it after Blixtev...
Lol - sorry. This thread was above the one Blixtev replied to when I was browsing the forum.
in that case I'm sorry too....
KJFett3
Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:33 am
#38
Oikaleek wrote:
Umm for your info mr. know it all, the Bounty Hunters hired by Vader in the Empire Strikes Backwere for Luke...Han Solo happened to bea by-product and sub-reward for Boba Fett since he also had a Bounty on him. I don't read expanded universe. But I know the movies all to well.
Boba Fett, Dengar, IG-88, 4-LOM, Zuckuss and Bossk were hired to track down Luke, at the time, the closest thing to a Jedi known to Vader, the man responsible with ferretting out and exterminating Jedi by the Emperor, the man that got rid of them all in the first place by tempting with power/money/control and offering to those he could manipulate to achieve his goal. The death of all Jedi everywhere. Would he train other force sensatives to do this? I'm sure he would so long as he was in complete control of them. If they did anythingout of line/character, they would be destroyed.Would they be Jedi? Absolutely not.
buhbye
Message Edited by Oikaleek on 07-06-2005 11:03 AM
You are going to get an attitude with me after posting junk like that? lol They were ordered to hunt down the Falcon. Who owned the Falcon? When they were brought in for him to explain their mission, who was onboard the Falcon? He hired bounty hunters to get Han Solo because he was piloting a ship that had the princess on board, and he knew that BHs could pull it off so that HE could set the trap for Luke. Not Bounty Hunters, Vader was going to do the hunting. The BHs were simply a tool he used to aquire the bait. Furthermore, Was Vader after Luke to kill him? No he wanted to convert him to become a dark jedi as well. Suprise..that's what the Emperor wanted to do as well...only he planned on replacing his aging apprentice as well....while Vader planned to overthrow the Emperor.
Hello!? Would they be jedi? Are they trained in the uses of the force? Trained by a master? What else do you need? Luke declared himself a jedi, and he had less training at the time than Mara Jade did when she was called an Emperor's Hand.
For someone who only saw the movies, you sure are projecting a lot of opinion in your comments.
KJFett3
Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:38 am
#39
Oikaleek wrote:
Umm, sure the order was for the Falcon...in an effort to capture Luke Skywalker. Vader had no interest in Solo. His only interest was the Jedi. He hired the BH's to find the Jedi's friends in an effort to ferret out the Jedi. Therefore the bounty hunters were indirectly huntingLuke, the Jedi.
So they were hunting Han, not Luke. They were simply a tool used to get the bait for a trap that Vader alone would attempt to spring, and failed mind you. You also forget that Han and Leia both were wanted as supporters of th Rebellion. I think Vader did have some interest in capturing them beyond even the bait aspect.
This is why there are Jedi bounties in the game. Because the Emperor and Vader want them all dead or turned to the dark side, thus not being a Jedi anymore, for Jedi follow the Light Side of the force.
So you are saying the bounties in the game are screwed up? You say they want them dead or turned....well all the Imperial jedi are already turned, and devoted to the Empire. Seems according to your words there, the bounties are a fraud, after all Vader and the Emperor don't make mistakes like that, and earlier in my posts...that's what I said! The bounties are fraud.
Message Edited by Oikaleek on 07-06-2005 11:39 AM