Bounty Hunter Archive

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James1701 wrote:

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PyroFreezor wrote:

nerf the jedi, now u want ur own radar cloak? yeah lets make it easier for you... just /ex any BH and u will see a pritty big list of 225k jedi they have killed solo. gimmi a break

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That is so not true. The CU and the latest changes to the BH vs Jedi system have made way to easy for Jedi. That may sound funny from a Kight level Jedi like me, but it's true. I grinded mine pre-cu and took me well over 6 months coupled with BH encouters all along the way. THAT is the life of the Jedi, or at least itused to be, and within the vision of the game as far as keeping Jedi on the DL. Now days, grinding is 10 times faster. Does it blow to lose xp? Sure, but before where it took many many hours or even days to grind back a loss, now it can be done in hours. Cloning penalty should be reinstated for any death imo. Is it tough becomeing a Jedi and all the stuff that comes with it? Sure, but that is the price to pay to play the Alpha class of the game, and don't say we aren't, because in almost every respect to the rest of the player in the game, we are.

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Ameno wrote:
If you want, i can just null your whole "first strike" in all reasons. as a jedi can sense people with hostile attempts, what makes you think you would even get close enough to a jedi without them picking you up, unless they were "completely" unaware. Even with the current radar system, if you're moving fast enough your dot won't pop up until you hit abou 150meters if you're on a speeder. You have the choice of when to engage, use it, you don't need anymore then that. jedi dueling..incapped..in the middle of town, where one dot is the same as another. just because you want to attack a jedi out in the middle of no where, where NO OTHER DOT WOULD BE, doesn't give you any grounds to have a radar stealth.

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Chopper_ wrote:

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Ameno wrote:
If you want, i can just null your whole "first strike" in all reasons. as a jedi can sense people with hostile attempts, what makes you think you would even get close enough to a jedi without them picking you up, unless they were "completely" unaware. Even with the current radar system, if you're moving fast enough your dot won't pop up until you hit abou 150meters if you're on a speeder. You have the choice of when to engage, use it, you don't need anymore then that. jedi dueling..incapped..in the middle of town, where one dot is the same as another. just because you want to attack a jedi out in the middle of no where, where NO OTHER DOT WOULD BE, doesn't give you any grounds to have a radar stealth.

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You say that Jedi should be able to "Sense" hostile attempts...Ok. I'll buy that. But in that case Jedi should be the only ones with a form of radar. Take away the Radar entirely for Non-Jedi, and let the Jedi have a limited Radar of say 100 meters max. Thats plenty of range, and since Jedi would be the only ones with this "Radar Sense", it would be valuable to have.

In Fact, we could take it even further, and say that the "Radar Sense" range could have greater range when the Jedi trains in a certain skill. Possibly in the "Powers" category. The "Radar Sense" could have a base range of say 35 meters (Pistol Range), and coould increase with X amount of skill points allocated to those particularblocks, and having Maximum range (Whatever that may be) inthe Master Powers position.

A system like this could be argued that if a Jedi wants to be so in-tuned with his/her surroundings that he/she can detect the presence of every life force within 1000(Or whatever distance)meters, he/she would have to have spent the time training in that particular power, and even spend skill points to aquire this power. And since no other non-Jedi would have access to a Radar, it would be most valuable.

Message Edited by Chopper_ on 09-12-2005 02:49 AM

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Gubment_Geek wrote:

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Ameno wrote:
If you want, i can just null your whole "first strike" in all reasons. as a jedi can sense people with hostile attempts, what makes you think you would even get close enough to a jedi without them picking you up, unless they were "completely" unaware. Even with the current radar system, if you're moving fast enough your dot won't pop up until you hit abou 150meters if you're on a speeder. You have the choice of when to engage, use it, you don't need anymore then that. jedi dueling..incapped..in the middle of town, where one dot is the same as another. just because you want to attack a jedi out in the middle of no where, where NO OTHER DOT WOULD BE, doesn't give you any grounds to have a radar stealth.

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That's pretty much how it already is. How about just keeping the color of the dot neutral until first strike, then let it change toa color that is only for BH/Jedi combat on each other's radar? If this was implemented then I think it would be even more interesting as a Jedi would have to compare what they should be seeing (colorwise) because of their respective factions to what they are actually seeing on radar and visually. It would be one way for a Jedi to reason out logically if their was a BH sneaking in. I think that this would also make more BH's consider going neutral faction as I think BH's should be anyway. Just my 2 cents.

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VolvoSsixtyTsix wrote:
I think this would give us some finesse and better chance in the current environment. Your mark will see you on the radar once you attack. If this is implemented hunter can stalk his prey without IT knowing that he is there, group members of the jedi may see the mark but they will have very little time to warn the jedi. What do you guys think ?

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theEwokDude wrote:

This is a great idea. I for one never understood having radars in a PVP environment. That is one thing I actually liked about World of WarCraft. There was an element of suprise. As it is now, I have Jedi that know I am coming before I even get close. You can pan the radar out a ways I know that. And don't even bring up skill, skill has nothing to do with me appearing on a 'radar' to my mark. Besides, I find it funny how Jedi tell us to use skill instead of taking the radar out, yet they need that radar so they can see us coming. Why don't Jedi just use 'skill' instead of depending on a radar??

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Jedi don't need radar to see YOU coming, they need radar to see people coming. Unlike a normal professional, we still do get visibilty from other players. and there has been countless times i had to shut my saber off, about 2seconds before a speeding dot came up to me, because they saw a jedi hunting a few meters out. Even times when they'll come up to watch you for 3minutes, so until you know the facts about which you speak, don't speak on the subject at all. Unless you want to completely remove visibilty from other players, then you'd never have a jedi to hunt, and i'm pretty sure you don't want that.

You have a first strike, whenever you choose, use it. jedi in a cantina..use it.. jedi in a city.. use it... jedi in the middle of no where.. DON'T USE IT. its not that dam' hard, screw skills, use your brain, you'll find out how much more you accomplish when you do.

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Ameno wrote:

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theEwokDude wrote:

This is a great idea. I for one never understood having radars in a PVP environment. That is one thing I actually liked about World of WarCraft. There was an element of suprise. As it is now, I have Jedi that know I am coming before I even get close. You can pan the radar out a ways I know that. And don't even bring up skill, skill has nothing to do with me appearing on a 'radar' to my mark. Besides, I find it funny how Jedi tell us to use skill instead of taking the radar out, yet they need that radar so they can see us coming. Why don't Jedi just use 'skill' instead of depending on a radar??

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Jedi don't need radar to see YOU coming, they need radar to see people coming. Unlike a normal professional, we still do get visibilty from other players. and there has been countless times i had to shut my saber off, about 2seconds before a speeding dot came up to me, because they saw a jedi hunting a few meters out. Even times when they'll come up to watch you for 3minutes, so until you know the facts about which you speak, don't speak on the subject at all. Unless you want to completely remove visibilty from other players, then you'd never have a jedi to hunt, and i'm pretty sure you don't want that.

You have a first strike, whenever you choose, use it. jedi in a cantina..use it.. jedi in a city.. use it... jedi in the middle of no where.. DON'T USE IT. its not that dam' hard, screw skills, use your brain, you'll find out how much more you accomplish when you do.

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VolvoSsixtyTsix wrote:
I think this would give us some finesse and better chance in the current environment. Your mark will see you on the radar once you attack. If this is implemented hunter can stalk his prey without IT knowing that he is there, group members of the jedi may see the mark but they will have very little time to warn the jedi. What do you guys think ?

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theEwokDude wrote:

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Ameno wrote:

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theEwokDude wrote:

This is a great idea. I for one never understood having radars in a PVP environment. That is one thing I actually liked about World of WarCraft. There was an element of suprise. As it is now, I have Jedi that know I am coming before I even get close. You can pan the radar out a ways I know that. And don't even bring up skill, skill has nothing to do with me appearing on a 'radar' to my mark. Besides, I find it funny how Jedi tell us to use skill instead of taking the radar out, yet they need that radar so they can see us coming. Why don't Jedi just use 'skill' instead of depending on a radar??

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Jedi don't need radar to see YOU coming, they need radar to see people coming. Unlike a normal professional, we still do get visibilty from other players. and there has been countless times i had to shut my saber off, about 2seconds before a speeding dot came up to me, because they saw a jedi hunting a few meters out. Even times when they'll come up to watch you for 3minutes, so until you know the facts about which you speak, don't speak on the subject at all. Unless you want to completely remove visibilty from other players, then you'd never have a jedi to hunt, and i'm pretty sure you don't want that.

You have a first strike, whenever you choose, use it. jedi in a cantina..use it.. jedi in a city.. use it... jedi in the middle of no where.. DON'T USE IT. its not that dam' hard, screw skills, use your brain, you'll find out how much more you accomplish when you do.

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This is not a topic discussing visibility, so please try to stay on topic. If you are a Jedi and have to deal with visibility well that is your problem so deal with it. I could care less about you and your saber issues.

I agree that we have first strike chances, and I use them all the time. I actually take my 3 days to study my mark and wait until the best possible moment to attack. The fact is you can zoom out using the radar and see someone coming from over 500meters. Maybe more, I am not sure how far you can go out with it. Mine is set to 500 meters. At any rate, there should be no reason you can be spotted from over 500 meters away. It is a crutch, and obviously a crutch kids like you depend on.

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Uh..why the insults? Must be because i am right, visibilty is the issue(*points back to 'jedi don't need radar"*). and its a topic you just stepped on by sayign Jedi don't need radar, without radar in the middle of combat it is impossible not to be ran over by passer by's and be tossed on the terminals. Believe me i know, i did my entire Jedi grind without gaining visibilty until i was ready to. But i still had people try to stop and watch me, ride through my mission, and sit out at 64meters to watch me fighting. End of story, don't talk about things you know nothing about.

Radar shouldn't matter one bit, in the fact that the person may not realize you're even there until you attack them. This comes down to the persons own awareness of whats going on around them, from the radar to the mobs to people dying in the group. You may run into someone like me, who's always going to see your dirty attempts to sneak up. And you may geta person thats too busy chatting, in guld chat, before they notice that you have them knockdown and they're half dead. Don't blame the system for your lack of skill (or anyone elses for that matter). Radar isn't the issue, you're the one who needs the crutch and extra security so you can ensure, that you get a victory with as little challenge as possible.

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Ameno wrote:

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theEwokDude wrote:

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Ameno wrote:

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theEwokDude wrote:

This is a great idea. I for one never understood having radars in a PVP environment. That is one thing I actually liked about World of WarCraft. There was an element of suprise. As it is now, I have Jedi that know I am coming before I even get close. You can pan the radar out a ways I know that. And don't even bring up skill, skill has nothing to do with me appearing on a 'radar' to my mark. Besides, I find it funny how Jedi tell us to use skill instead of taking the radar out, yet they need that radar so they can see us coming. Why don't Jedi just use 'skill' instead of depending on a radar??

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Jedi don't need radar to see YOU coming, they need radar to see people coming. Unlike a normal professional, we still do get visibilty from other players. and there has been countless times i had to shut my saber off, about 2seconds before a speeding dot came up to me, because they saw a jedi hunting a few meters out. Even times when they'll come up to watch you for 3minutes, so until you know the facts about which you speak, don't speak on the subject at all. Unless you want to completely remove visibilty from other players, then you'd never have a jedi to hunt, and i'm pretty sure you don't want that.

You have a first strike, whenever you choose, use it. jedi in a cantina..use it.. jedi in a city.. use it... jedi in the middle of no where.. DON'T USE IT. its not that dam' hard, screw skills, use your brain, you'll find out how much more you accomplish when you do.

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This is not a topic discussing visibility, so please try to stay on topic. If you are a Jedi and have to deal with visibility well that is your problem so deal with it. I could care less about you and your saber issues.

I agree that we have first strike chances, and I use them all the time. I actually take my 3 days to study my mark and wait until the best possible moment to attack. The fact is you can zoom out using the radar and see someone coming from over 500meters. Maybe more, I am not sure how far you can go out with it. Mine is set to 500 meters. At any rate, there should be no reason you can be spotted from over 500 meters away. It is a crutch, and obviously a crutch kids like you depend on.

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Uh..why the insults? Must be because i am right, visibilty is the issue(*points back to 'jedi don't need radar"*). and its a topic you just stepped on by sayign Jedi don't need radar, without radar in the middle of combat it is impossible not to be ran over by passer by's and be tossed on the terminals. Believe me i know, i did my entire Jedi grind without gaining visibilty until i was ready to. But i still had people try to stop and watch me, ride through my mission, and sit out at 64meters to watch me fighting. End of story, don't talk about things you know nothing about.

Radar shouldn't matter one bit, in the fact that the person may not realize you're even there until you attack them. This comes down to the persons own awareness of whats going on around them, from the radar to the mobs to people dying in the group. You may run into someone like me, who's always going to see your dirty attempts to sneak up. And you may geta person thats too busy chatting, in guld chat, before they notice that you have them knockdown and they're half dead. Don't blame the system for your lack of skill (or anyone elses for that matter). Radar isn't the issue, you're the one who needs the crutch and extra security so you can ensure, that you get a victory with as little challenge as possible.

Now.. if you do watch said mark for 3 days, like you claim until the best possible situation, where's the problem? If you've tracked him thus far and he's not noticed you, that means you've been well far into visual range and went undetected. There in proving the point that you do not infact, need to disappear off the radar when hunting that mark.

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This is all opinion, there is not right or wrong answer, so no, you were not proved right by any of the long winded posts you made. Sorry.

Like I just said, it makes no sense to me that someone can be spotted over 500 meters away. You may not think there is anything wrong with that but when a profession like Bounty Hunter depends on the first strike, it is important. I do not see a need fora radar in a PVP setting.

It is funny how you claim I need the crutch when you are the one depending on a radar daily. I mean you constantly repeated yourself that you need it to reduce your chances for visibility. You are the only one depending on anything around here. You are the one that needs to see the BH coming. You are, by definition, lacking skill. If the radar was taken out it would call for more skill than ever since you would actually have to watch your surroundings and react to it. Right now you watch a radar. Where is the skill in that? Must be nice to wave a lightsaber around and talk about skill this and skill that. You say I don't knwo anything about visibility? Then I can safely say you know nothing of skill.

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theEwokDude wrote:

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Ameno wrote:

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theEwokDude wrote:

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Ameno wrote:

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theEwokDude wrote:

This is a great idea. I for one never understood having radars in a PVP environment. That is one thing I actually liked about World of WarCraft. There was an element of suprise. As it is now, I have Jedi that know I am coming before I even get close. You can pan the radar out a ways I know that. And don't even bring up skill, skill has nothing to do with me appearing on a 'radar' to my mark. Besides, I find it funny how Jedi tell us to use skill instead of taking the radar out, yet they need that radar so they can see us coming. Why don't Jedi just use 'skill' instead of depending on a radar??

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Jedi don't need radar to see YOU coming, they need radar to see people coming. Unlike a normal professional, we still do get visibilty from other players. and there has been countless times i had to shut my saber off, about 2seconds before a speeding dot came up to me, because they saw a jedi hunting a few meters out. Even times when they'll come up to watch you for 3minutes, so until you know the facts about which you speak, don't speak on the subject at all. Unless you want to completely remove visibilty from other players, then you'd never have a jedi to hunt, and i'm pretty sure you don't want that.

You have a first strike, whenever you choose, use it. jedi in a cantina..use it.. jedi in a city.. use it... jedi in the middle of no where.. DON'T USE IT. its not that dam' hard, screw skills, use your brain, you'll find out how much more you accomplish when you do.

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This is not a topic discussing visibility, so please try to stay on topic. If you are a Jedi and have to deal with visibility well that is your problem so deal with it. I could care less about you and your saber issues.

I agree that we have first strike chances, and I use them all the time. I actually take my 3 days to study my mark and wait until the best possible moment to attack. The fact is you can zoom out using the radar and see someone coming from over 500meters. Maybe more, I am not sure how far you can go out with it. Mine is set to 500 meters. At any rate, there should be no reason you can be spotted from over 500 meters away. It is a crutch, and obviously a crutch kids like you depend on.

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Uh..why the insults? Must be because i am right, visibilty is the issue(*points back to 'jedi don't need radar"*). and its a topic you just stepped on by sayign Jedi don't need radar, without radar in the middle of combat it is impossible not to be ran over by passer by's and be tossed on the terminals. Believe me i know, i did my entire Jedi grind without gaining visibilty until i was ready to. But i still had people try to stop and watch me, ride through my mission, and sit out at 64meters to watch me fighting. End of story, don't talk about things you know nothing about.

Radar shouldn't matter one bit, in the fact that the person may not realize you're even there until you attack them. This comes down to the persons own awareness of whats going on around them, from the radar to the mobs to people dying in the group. You may run into someone like me, who's always going to see your dirty attempts to sneak up. And you may geta person thats too busy chatting, in guld chat, before they notice that you have them knockdown and they're half dead. Don't blame the system for your lack of skill (or anyone elses for that matter). Radar isn't the issue, you're the one who needs the crutch and extra security so you can ensure, that you get a victory with as little challenge as possible.

Now.. if you do watch said mark for 3 days, like you claim until the best possible situation, where's the problem? If you've tracked him thus far and he's not noticed you, that means you've been well far into visual range and went undetected. There in proving the point that you do not infact, need to disappear off the radar when hunting that mark.

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This is all opinion, there is not right or wrong answer, so no, you were not proved right by any of the long winded posts you made. Sorry.

Like I just said, it makes no sense to me that someone can be spotted over 500 meters away. You may not think there is anything wrong with that but when a profession like Bounty Hunter depends on the first strike, it is important. I do not see a need fora radar in a PVP setting.

It is funny how you claim I need the crutch when you are the one depending on a radar daily. I mean you constantly repeated yourself that you need it to reduce your chances for visibility. You are the only one depending on anything around here. You are the one that needs to see the BH coming. You are, by definition, lacking skill. If the radar was taken out it would call for more skill than ever since you would actually have to watch your surroundings and react to it. Right now you watch a radar. Where is the skill in that? Must be nice to wave a lightsaber around and talk about skill this and skill that. You say I don't knwo anything about visibility? Then I can safely say you know nothing of skill.

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Well as i stated in a earlier post, in beta, we tried to get PvP selected players to not appear on radar against other factions (neutral dot still existing), of course i'm sure you won't be surprised the devs didn't listen.

The grinding jedi, depends on the radar, yes. You all complain.. "blahblahblah omg i see a jedi omg omg omg, you shouldn't get on the terminals, we shouldn't ever see jedi", take that into account with the radar system, if a grinding jedi can't see people approaching, they won't be able to go "hidden" and not reviel that they are infact a jedi.

I already watch my surroundings, avoiding visibilty, and people on dantoonie for MONTHS has taught me how to do that perfectly. You only want the radar taken out for jedi, take it out as a whole, and how are you even going to find your target? you rely on this radar just as much as any other person does on finding things. overhead map works alot better then the radar btw, as you do pickup things alot earlier then a radar will show. But yeah you must be right.. i'm lacking in skill... yet i'm so capable of destroying someone, when they attempt their first strike on me at my weakest moment and survive. there's no skill involved in that, right? a template can only determine so much about a battle, natural ability will take over the rest. And yes, i do say you know nothing about visibilty, unless you've ever grinded a jedi at all in your time of playing this game, to actually play one, and not to just say you have one, you know absolutely dic'k about it.

Want some true fun? remove the radar for everyone, remove player names, remove health bars and action/mind bars. Insted of trying to take out one piece of a system, take out all of the things you rely on as a advantage to secure your fights. what? you can't? wha you were being a hipocrit? oh? what oh my, you mean you rely on that information? oh my, who knew. maybe you forgot? i don't know.. you're stalking someone, you're looking at your radar to keep your distance perfectly away from theirs, to look unsuspicious, and you're watching their health, action and mind bar. taste your own words before you try serving them.