Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Sneak up on em and take em out!! hehe
pepe4158 wrote:
Bmill this isnt your threed so I dont think you have the right to hi-jack it by not expressing my opinion, but I'm still lost how you think my saying you are, 'untrustworthy' and thats my opinion..so I would have no further dealings with you of any type hypothetically...hypothetically cause I've never seen you infiltrate a grinding group I was in, and kill the jedi; and even if we were on the same server the odds would be what? ...negates my whole argument Bro, but you seem to have so much more knowledge on that idea so plz enlighten me....and comon seriously 'untrustworthy' isnt the worse weve both been called; dont you think your taking this a little too personal? We both make choices on who in the game we will associate with due to their actions. I was speaking hypothetically. I dont know you personally and may hate your toon; comon Bro I dont really hate you...be serious for aa moment instead of graping everything I say outta context plz.
Message Edited by pepe4158 on 10-24-2005 09:27 PM
I have not the patience to carry this on much longer... 
This is not your thread either. You voiced your opinion, I disagreed, based mostly on the fact that you consider infiltrating a group and killing a member of that group is higher on the morally wrong slider than killing a defenseless AFK or LD Jedi. If you were going to be attacked, wouldn't you rather have it come while you are at least actively in the game? Aside from that, your conclusions are all wrong as compared to mine. You're right, we will probably not agree on this issue, since I feel it's morally "ok" to join a group and kill a memember of it, and you do not.
That is your play style. You make a difference of how a kill was carried out. I have no such scruples. A kill is a kill to me, no matter how it occurs. Whether I join the mark's group, guild, or faction, I will attack them at the time and place of my choosing. And that time and place will typically be when they are at their weakest.
On the obligation arguments.... Yes, I feel that a Bounty Hunter accepting a mission constitutes a contract which is then considered a legal obligation. You're right, at anytime you may revoke that contract and simply "walk away." I'm not saying that I think it's right or wrong to drop the mission and walk away. But at the time you accept the mission, you are saying "Yes, I will attempt to kill this Jedi."That consitutes the express obligation that you actually are going to attempt to hunt down and kill that Jedi.
When you join a group for mutual benefit (grinding/hunting/content) there is no express or implied agreement that you must help the group members. You simply are a memember of the group, out hunting for - whatever - experience, loot, badges, etc. It may be in the groups best interest to help out one another, but there is no obligation to do so. You presented your argument as if there is some sort of automatic obligation to help the group out, and by killing another member, or causing another member to become killed would violate that obligation.
What are you failing to see, is the difference between the obligations. The Bounty Hunter's contractual obligation to kill that Jedi using any means requried is entirely different than any obligation you may MORALLY feel towards your group.
And that's exactly what this all boils down to. Our morals. As I said above, your morals are entirely different than mine. We can agree on that. So on the argument of, is it "ok" to kill or cause the death of a group member, we agree to disagree.
Are we through now?
I just hope that I can kill in enough groups that I never get invited to a group again...I hate showing up at the Dant MO and having to decline over and over and over again...
Besides, if I ever need to grind, I just start a group with my guildies since 90% of them are grinding Jedi anyway...andwhen theymake Jedi and a BH inflitrates our group and kills them...I will hi5 that BH for being one sneaky, scummy and pro hunter.
pepe4158 wrote:
Hmmm you may be right about one more morally better then the other; I would have to think that over, but if I shoot an LD or afk jedi I have hurt and pissed off 1 person who never would do anything for me in the game ever again.
If however I kill my own group member I have just probably pissed off 7 players; who possiblynever will do any buiz,rez, orgive help ofany type...I was just saying if I was in the group I would feel that way about things and put you on my 'ignore' list, and really think all 7 would feel the same... if you were dead somewhere out in the wildernness and asked for aRez I'd probably remember you and just spit on your corpse and point and laugh....forget any buiz together of any typeor any grouping on corvette Ryatt etc..if you were in the group againI'd do my best to get the leader to kick you or leave myself;.one actions seems to carry worse consequences possibly is what I mean;cause I really believe most players will feel you failed your obligation to the group. but who knows, if they were all BH grouping together they probably will only be mad that you beat them do the mark cause they were just their to get him too(well at least two others); if a jedi spin group was stupid enough to invite a B/H to begin with cause almost all of them already say among themselves they wont group with B/H's
And yes I am done lol
Message Edited by pepe4158 on 10-25-200501:28 PM
Hmmm you may be right about one more morally better then the other; I would have to think that over, but if I shoot an LD or afk jedi I have hurt and pissed off 1 person who never would do anything for me in the game ever again.
If however I kill my own group member I have just probably pissed off 7 players; who possiblynever will do any buiz,rez, orgive help ofany type...I was just saying if I was in the group I would feel that way about things and put you on my 'ignore' list, and really think all 7 would feel the same... if you were dead somewhere out in the wildernness and asked for aRez I'd probably remember you and just spit on your corpse and point and laugh....forget any buiz together of any typeor any grouping on corvette Ryatt etc..if you were in the group againI'd do my best to get the leader to kick you or leave myself;.one actions seems to carry worse consequences possibly is what I mean;cause I really believe most players will feel you failed your obligation to the group. but who knows, if they were all BH grouping together they probably will only be mad that you beat them do the mark cause they were just their to get him too(well at least two others); if a jedi spin group was stupid enough to invite a B/H to begin with cause almost all of them already say among themselves they wont group with B/H's
Message Edited by pepe4158 on 10-26-2005 08:13 AM
' I have no moral problems with doing either; just think the consequences of one are far worse then the consequences of the other; ok your sooooo much more uber n bitchin then me you will never need anyones help in the game....maybe I like having it; I sincerly doubt that makes me such a far worse player then anyone else, but once again your opinion fine.....'like aholes everyone has 1', a quote from a movie.
AS far as attacking me personally only one response, 'HYPOCRITE!"
And oh yeah, 'Spiff you stay out of it"....Im still mad at you for getting my poor little toon killed last time when you took down our tank and stood their watching and laughingas the whole party wasslaughtered ......lol
Message Edited by pepe4158 on 10-26-2005 08:19 AM
Because you actually care what the people in the group think about you. I care only for myself, my guild, and my allies. Everyone else is a potential threat.
pepe4158 wrote:
' I have no moral problems with doing either; just think the consequences of one are far worse then the consequences of the other; ok your sooooo much more uber n bitchin then me you will never need anyones help in the game....maybe I like having it; I sincerly doubt that makes me such a far worse player then anyone else, but once again your opinion fine.....'like aholes everyone has 1', a quote from a movie.
AS far as attacking me personally only one response, 'HYPOCRITE!"
And oh yeah, 'Spiff you stay out of it"....Im still mad at you for getting my poor little toon killed last time when you took down our tank and stood their watching and laughingas the whole party wasslaughtered ......lol
Message Edited by pepe4158 on 10-26-2005 08:19 AM
pepe4158 wrote:
For your guild?....no....cause your actions affect your guild; for you allies??????what allies????? who would trust you? Its a matter of trust Bro. not morality......for yourself....yes I believe that 1 lol
Message Edited by pepe4158 on 10-26-2005 12:07 PM
Laughable indeed. The people that I consider encourage the killing of opposing faction jedi regardless of the circumstances. Since I don't hunt my same faction, there are no issues.
Hmmm convient for you to put that in now, but since you have mentioned it latter (and previously unspecified)I quess I should believe you; 'cause everyone that knows me too knows I never hunt my same faction either.....least I dont feel like it for now '. till I saw different from you ill believe you; that as you put it is a horse of a different color and does change things I concede.
Message Edited by pepe4158 on 10-26-2005 08:49 PM
For your guild?....no....cause your actions affect your guild; for you allies??????what allies????? who would trust you? Its a matter of trust Bro. not morality......for yourself....yes I believe that 1 lol
Message Edited by pepe4158 on 10-26-2005 12:07 PM