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Thread: Jedi 50% more powerful, true or false opinions

Apiar
Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:33 am
#27

Ok, I'm a noob. What the heck isa CM DOT?
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:36 am
#28






Apiar wrote:
Ok, I'm a noob. What the heck isa CM DOT?






Combat Medic Damage over Time.


Stuff like fire and poison that doesn't do all it's damage immediately, but-as the name suggests-applies it's damage over time.



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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:47 am
#29






Tucheck wrote:
IMO it all comes down to the saber.

I actually believe the Devs did a pretty good job of balancing the professions AND Jedi (although I'm not sure about Jedi vs. Jedi). At any rate....older Jedi have much better sabers which is still an unbalancing aspect. I say this because I stand a chance against most any 226K Jedi that has a "newer" saber...so I'm looking more at the actually abilities and skills. Against a Jedi with an "older saber" and I'm looking at a 2 minutes fight (if that).

1.5 stronger? More or less....but it all depends on the saber.




And those sabers are never, ever going away.



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Neutronos
Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:49 am
#30

Right now as I see it Jedi at full template are a tough match. I don't mind that at all.


What I do mind is they are given every possiblechance of running and getting away when things go bad for them and if they have the slightest experience in playing Jedi thats an easy task to accomplish.


Anyone claiming Jedi is bad at full template need to take a good look at themselves or their template before crying. That was a rant on Jedi whining btw. Waiting for skill: Warp me 500m in a random direction when FRS gets back....




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Tucheck
Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:50 am
#31



Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:


Tucheck wrote:
IMO it all comes down to the saber.

I actually believe the Devs did a pretty good job of balancing the professions AND Jedi (although I'm not sure about Jedi vs. Jedi). At any rate....older Jedi have much better sabers which is still an unbalancing aspect. I say this because I stand a chance against most any 226K Jedi that has a "newer" saber...so I'm looking more at the actually abilities and skills. Against a Jedi with an "older saber" and I'm looking at a 2 minutes fight (if that).

1.5 stronger? More or less....but it all depends on the saber.


And those sabers are never, ever going away.






I know...and just wait till the Knight trials and FRS...ADK 4TW

That's okay thought, as I've said before, if I pull a mission for a Jedi I can't kill, I'll simply follow through with the mission until I find them, let them know I have their mission and drop it right in front of them, having never attacked.



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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:55 am
#32






Tucheck wrote:





Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:





Tucheck wrote:
IMO it all comes down to the saber.

I actually believe the Devs did a pretty good job of balancing the professions AND Jedi (although I'm not sure about Jedi vs. Jedi). At any rate....older Jedi have much better sabers which is still an unbalancing aspect. I say this because I stand a chance against most any 226K Jedi that has a "newer" saber...so I'm looking more at the actually abilities and skills. Against a Jedi with an "older saber" and I'm looking at a 2 minutes fight (if that).

1.5 stronger? More or less....but it all depends on the saber.




And those sabers are never, ever going away.








I know...and just wait till the Knight trials and FRS...ADK 4TW [Yah. Not looking forward to it at all.]

That's okay thought, as I've said before, if I pull a mission for a Jedi I can't kill, I'll simply follow through with the mission until I find them, let them know I have their mission and drop it right in front of them, having never attacked. [LOL! That's cold, because you know some of them want you to fight them.]








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ZeigBalthazar
Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:24 am
#33

PvP experience goes a long way IMO. Knowing your toon's strength's and weakness's. Jedi in the proper hands is more powerful. But an inexperience Jedi vs a well prepared bh goes to the bh.



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Ankhesanamun
Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:49 pm
#34


Are Jedi 1.5x stronger than other classes. Thats a good question. But a better question is, are there any combat templates that are 1.5x greater than others. And to a greater extent are there players that are 1.5x greater than other players.


Lets look at the first point. There are alot of 'combat' templates out there that are 1.5+ times greater than other 'combat' templates. Yet nobody wants to acknowledge this. So why all the talk from Jedi and BH about someone being 1.5 or more times greater than anyone else? It's because These two professions are pitted against each other? That's the true reason. For some reason since someone has written it somewhere that Jedi are 1.5x greater than non-Jedi, when someone looses to a Jedi they blame it on that. When in fact it probably isn't for that reason at all. Case in point. I have just started Jedi, just because there's nothing else todo, and had my 3rd run in with a BH the other day. My template so far has lightsaber x,x,2,x enhancer 2,2,x,x powers 1,3,1,x and Master Combat Medic. In the fight with the BH who was MBH + MC + some medic, I only hit him 3-4 times with Jedi skills. The rest of the damage I did/absorbed came from Combat Medic. I had him to 0 health and running before I even hit him 1 time w/ a Jedi skill. So now is Combat Medic 1.5x greater than someone else? I used '1' profession to take down a double mastery 'combat' profession, and it wasn't Jedi. What caused me to win the battle?


So what gives there? The answer is some players combat 'skill' is 1.5x greater than others (I'm not saying mine is any good: i've died2 times to lesser level BH's). The point being, because someone/somewhere posted that Jedi are 1.5x greater than non-Jedi, people tend to use this as an excuse when loosing to Jedi. "It's not my fault, it's the DEV's fault for making them strong than me." If all Jedi were 1.5x stronger than anyone else, Jedi would never die. They'd mop the floor with everyone, yet, people are and will continue killing full template Jedi. Why? Because of 1 thing the DEV's can never 'balance', it's called 'skill'.


So what does this all mean. Sure there are certain 'templates' out there that are 1.5x greater than any other template. However, they're not all Jedi. Alot of this power comes from skill, nothing more. Why do BH's and Jedi argue over this all the time? Because for some reason the DEV's had this wonderful idea to 'poison' the game environment by pitting 2 power gaming professions against each other. Don't think it's the case? Jedi complain about Jedi as much, if not more, than BH's. People complained on end about Combat Medic pre-CU, bout Mind Damage, about anything and about everything that beat somebody. Why? Because they both hate loosing to someone else, because everyone--as much as they do--will never admit that they lost because they didnt have the playing 'skills' to compete against someone else.


It's a cause and effect relationship, which happens in real life all the time. The DEV's have put in the cause, while letting us sort through the effects.


Message Edited by Ankhesanamun on 07-18-2005 12:56 AM

Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:54 pm
#35






Kineris wrote:

Jedi 50% more powerful, true or false opinions





Jedi isn't a single profession. There's 5 disciplines that make up Jedi. MLS/MDef/Heal 3000/Enh 0002? Damn tough. MPowers/MHealer/Def 4040? Erm...not so much. Jedi aren't even balanced with themselves, so just pointing at Jedi and asking if they'retuned to 1.5 effectivenessisn't a question that can be answered accurately.




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Gillik
Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:54 pm
#36

My fight with a jedi with an pre CU saber lasted 5+ mins. He only won cause he capitolized on his advanced saber throw. Was able to get up pretty quick after the first 3. But that 4th one got me. Over all he couldnt get into range and I was still getting used to my bh template so i couldnt capitolize. But its nice having 2 kd attacks.






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dezi
Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:01 pm
#37






EfreaK wrote:

It all comes up to your skills as a player.


Good BH defeats a bad Jedi.
A good Jedi kills a bad BH.






I think the question is, how would it turn out with two equaly skilled players. One on a jedi, one on whatever other template. Or to look at this way, what are the inherent abilities given to the different templates. I think you'll find Jedi are superior. Ya, maybe jedi should be, but since this is a game balance issue, the nextquestion is, should they be superiorin an MMORPG? Should a template thats knowingly superior be left in the game the way it is? What will happen if its left? How will things balance out? Blah, blah blah
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