Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: From a Jedi's point of view... (long rant)
Eutock
Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:23 am
#27
Darkknight, your story sounds much like mine. I've been hunting Jedi since the end of the 4444 Guadian days, and remember all those good things like GTEF and the target-not-online bug. Eventually I made it to Jedi, and would occasionally grind it, being extremely careful about visibility, etc. Made it to 0020 LS this way.
So, it used to be possible to grind alone, in secret if you will, for many months to complete your Jedi template. Now, solo grinding is all but impossible, but by grouping and playing the "features" of the post-CU world in such a way, you can literally grind your Jedi in the course of a couple weeks. I don't know if the rapid XP via groups was intended, but I have a feeling the elimination of solo grinding was. My best guess is that it was probably donebecause there are thousands of Jedi now (so much for rarity) as a means of population control. So now yes, you can grind your Jedi, but at the near-certainty of being a BH target.
Personally I would like to see a return to those solo grinding days for Padawans, even if it takes 3-6 months of solid grinding. The current Chia Jedi in Two Weeks system seems rather silly and only favors the powergrinders, not the role-players.
Darkknight109
Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:21 pm
#28
OK, some of you BH's are pissed about how your marks all seem to either:
a) Grind on Kashyyyk
b) Run into a nearby house the instant you show up.
And I suppose that's fair. Been there, done that. I was a BH way back when and it was kinda frustrating. Every Jedi I hunted knew how to glitch up my droids so they would report them as offline, even though my friends list claimed otherwise. If I happened to find one that was onlineand managed to catch up to them, odds are they were either 4/4/4/4 guardians, grinding AFK on top of aprivate building or had a small army of guildies with them that wouldannihalate me the second I opened fire. It was frustrating, I'll admit. And I'm surehaving4/5 marks being"unhuntable" is no picnic either. But now I'll give you the Jedi's perspective. I'm going to tell you why we do it.
No, I'm not going to whine that we're the only class that loses XP on death, that comes with the territory. But a lot of BHs use the line "You made the choice to be hunted. If you don't want to get hunted, you shouldn't be a Jedi. It's not like it was any big secret, SOE didn't pull a fast one on you or anything, you knew you would be hunted, it's your own damn fault." That is where I kinda get a little upset. You see, pre-CU I was also of that mindset. If some Jedi came on the boards complaining about how he was ambushed while he was unbuffed as he acted as preacher for a guild wedding, I would send off some replylike "Shouldn't have been waving the glowstick in public then. It's your own fault for being on the terms," and pre-CU I lived by those lines. You know what? It was true. It was their fault they were on the terms, they did something to deserve it.
But with the CU, SOE DID pull a fast one on all the newbie Jedi. Their statement was something along the lines of "From Jedi Initiate to the Knight trials, Jedi is primarily a PvE profession. From Knight onwards, it is mostly PvP. Padawans will only be hunted by Bounty Hunters if they are careless." OK, that sounds good, I can deal with that. But then the CU came along and *poof* goes that illusion. See, for those of you who haven't heard yet, low-level Jedi can't solo anymore. Not "It's very slow," not, "It's very hard," but quite simply "It's not possible." The contract I signed was "I'll get hunted if I screw up," not "I'll get hunted if I want to advance in Jedi." So those of you who are saying that Jedi agreed to get hunted when we unlocked, do shut up. If I ever reach the knight trials, I accept that I am fair game to any opposed knight, spec force member or bounty hunter who wants a crack at me, but until that time I should not be penalized for simply wanting to advance in my profession.
When I first unlocked, I was paranoid about BH attacks. I was determined not to be one of the Jedi that gets hunted and killed for his idiocy. So to grind I would get buffed on Tattooine, or some other planet that I wouldn't grind on (thus to make it harder to follow me),go to the aggi-outpost on Dantooine, put on my comp armour (in case someone was watching from the buildings), get some suitable missions, ride to the missions on a disposable swoop, circle around the lair at 120m away to make sure no one, NPC or PC was around, before finally disgarding the armour, pulling out the saber,getting off the swoop (still leaving it running)and grinding the lair. The single time I got an NPC close to me was when I had finished my surveillance, pulled out my saberand suddenly a group of Dantari spawned 40m away from me (which is outside visibility range, but I didn't know that at the time). I immediately put the saber away, cancelled all my missions, slammed a house down as fast as I could, ran inside, set it to private and didn't come out until half an hour later when I'd had three of my BH friends confirm that I was not on the terms.
And guess what? I never got hunted. Not once. I thought to myself "Yeah, I can deal with this. Sure, I don't gain XP as fast as I used to, but that comes with the territory, right? I can work with this..."
Since the CU I have not gained a single point of XP. I refuse to become some 12-year-old respec-BH's plaything, and as a result I missed out on double XP. I also didn't choose to unfairly take advantage of the respec, another thing I was penalized for. This is the reason I have cancelled my account, I cannot advance without pandering to SOE's desire that I be hunted before they said I would be. Now others have different ways of coping. Some choose to group and to get around being hunted where before the CU they were not, they drop houses where they grind. And for this attempt to stay alive and grind in peace without having hours of their work erased by some moron who needed something to do with his buffbot alt, we now get called cowards, exploiters and have BHs saying that we shouldn't be able to own property or that they should be able to barge into private houses to get at their prey. Please, grow up and see things from our side of it.
"So why don't you stay and fight? You ARE a Jedi, afterall..." OK, give me a reason then. My template is currently MDoc, TK 4/4/0/0 and LS 0/0/2/0. This is not a PvP template. I would get CREAMED by the first BH who decided to take a shot at me. Ignoring that, I don't have a very good connection to the internet, and my computer is average. As a result, I suffer from a good load of lag in PvP, so already the BH has a leg up on me. Ignoring BOTH of those, I quite simply have no incentive to fight. If I win, what, I get some bragging rights, maybe a scrap of prestige in that BH's mind and perhaps a bucket of hate tells and a new addition to my /addignore list. That's all. And if he wins? I lose the last three hours of my work. Why should I fight and put my time on the line when I have nothing to gain and everything to lose? Wouldn't you run as well?
StarwarsJediFan
Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:34 pm
#29
you should stop waisting your time. most bounty hunters do not care about your endless rants. althought i do agree with you that most new respec bounty hunters are 12 year olds. i grinded and worked hard for my bounty hunter title and they should have to do the same. on a final note. go back to your own board jedi and leave us alone
groundcrew
Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:37 pm
#30
Same pointI keep making. Despite XP loss, the value of winning BvJ should be equal to or grater than the cost of loosing for both sides.
Darkknight109 wrote:
"So why don't you stay and fight? You ARE a Jedi, afterall..." OK, give me a reason then. My template is currently MDoc, TK 4/4/0/0 and LS 0/0/2/0. This is not a PvP template. I would get CREAMED by the first BH who decided to take a shot at me. Ignoring that, I don't have a very good connection to the internet, and my computer is average. As a result, I suffer from a good load of lag in PvP, so already the BH has a leg up on me. Ignoring BOTH of those, I quite simply have no incentive to fight. If I win, what, I get some bragging rights, maybe a scrap of prestige in that BH's mind and perhaps a bucket of hate tells and a new addition to my /addignore list. That's all. And if he wins? I lose the last three hours of my work. Why should I fight and put my time on the line when I have nothing to gain and everything to lose? Wouldn't you run as well?
groundcrew
Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:46 pm
#31
Wimpanzee wrote:
I refuse to become some 12-year-old respec-BH's plaything, and as a result I missed out on double XP. I also didn't choose to unfairly take advantage of the respec, another thing I was penalized for.
nothing unfair about the respec. everyone used it to tune their template. if you are talking about the jedi method of exploiting the point system, then good for not using it.
as for the double xp, i have a young padawan guildmate who unlocked right before CU. he grinded all through the double XP and never got on the terms until he was careless.
don't blame SoE for your misunderstanding of the system
/agree
If you didn't use respec to get what you want..........your an idiot.
Darkknight109
Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:55 pm
#32
groundcrew wrote:
Wimpanzee wrote:
I refuse to become some 12-year-old respec-BH's plaything, and as a result I missed out on double XP. I also didn't choose to unfairly take advantage of the respec, another thing I was penalized for.
nothing unfair about the respec. everyone used it to tune their template. if you are talking about the jedi method of exploiting the point system, then good for not using it.
as for the double xp, i have a young padawan guildmate who unlocked right before CU. he grinded all through the double XP and never got on the terms until he was careless.
don't blame SoE for your misunderstanding of the system
/agree
If you didn't use respec to get what you want..........your an idiot.
Key word is "unfairly." The respec was meant to allow people to shift around their templates, which I did. I changed myself from TKM, Master Rifleman, 0/0/1/0 Sabers and Novice everything else in Jedi to Master Doctor, TK 4/4/0/0, 0/0/2/0 sabers. And that's all. I didn't, as some Jedi did, use it to grind my profession and cheat the XP requirements.
Nikota
Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:45 am
#33
Well said Dark, all of it. Re-read the title fellas, just a little insight to the jedi of today.
And if you're interested, a little more:
I won't run, until I get annoyed. I say that cause I've yet to run from a fight I was losing. I'll take the xp loss, if I lose, and I've done my fair share of that was well while between templates. If I get in a fight, like many, many after the CU where a bh roots, and snares, and roots, and snares... and I can't hit back, and he can't kill me, it's annoying. So I'll hit my little forcerun button and make my way to the closest safehouse. I've dropped one since the CU, just north of our town, and I'll just make my way there.
The other time I'll run is when I've just been visited by a bh, I get killed, I use a rezring or consent a party member. And while I'm sitting there medding up my force, I get hit by another bh. Like the title says, just a little insight. See, while you might have just picked up our mission, "we've" been out hunting long enough to get on the boards... again... and, from personal experience from the 80-160k range, been visited a few times before you try to sneak up on us. "We're" usually watching and targetting anything that's not green that breeches the 256m mark on our radar. We're trying to make sure we got a least a hit on all the mobs we're currently hunting and when a breech occurs, we're breaking aggro like crazy, checking our foods/drugs/macrobars/etc to make sure we're ready for a fight (well maybe that's just me). And we're also looking at our force bar, which you don't have to worry about, since we're out hunting, and as mentioned above, everything uses force. Ever notice how when you approach a hunting party that usually everything stops? If it's all jedi, they're checking to see if they can duel you (again, maybe that's just me), since there's 3-4+ jedi there and we don't know who's mission you have. See unlike normal hunting groups, we have to stop every time you come up to a lair we're on.... and just like the pileup on the freeway you get stuck behind, we gotta sit and watch and do absolutely nothing if we aren't the target.
So, the groups get slowed, you take two steps forward and one step back (when you die). All to be a jedi. Is it a wonder that they drop houses and run to kash to level? On the chance that they can avoid you? That it might be a little harder to find them?
I, personally, became a jedi for the pvp and like the 9082059436346 others running around, am a fan of SW and all that jazz. I was7 when Empire came out and remember sitting in the back of the car trying to lift the cars around me with the 'force'. So it's a little piece of imagination in front of me when I sit at the keyboard. I'm all about honor, respect and camaraderie. So I don't like or approve of running from a fight, and the last bh that came at me actually said "wow, you're like the first jedi I've fought in the last 7 missions". That's not a come at me comment, just saying. If you poll the jedi on bloodfin that have taken my mission, you'll see that many have killed me, some have not, and other than Zapato who I let into for taking my mission 3 days in a row and setting me back 870k xp I generally keep my mouth shut (he got me soloing a lair when I was bored and took me out mid-fight. I hadn't run in the previous two encounters, and was miffed he didn't at least wait to take me on solo. Had the jump, had 10 levels, had 2 victories already.... I just wanted a fair spanking, lol... sorry again for blowing up if you read this).
Anyway, not all jedi run, but if they do, there's some of the thought process...
Jaktar
Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:08 pm
#34
Not that this post really belongs here but....it IS possible to grind xp in a group and NOT get vis. I haven't been a rifleman for a very long time but I know for a fact that a rifle range is greater than the 32 m vis range. What you want is a sologrind, that's not gonna happen (until you get a full template that is if you really wanted to). Find yourself a group of ranged fighers (I'd be a couple rifleman or carbineers would do, maybe even pistoleers but I'm not too sure no their range) and get out there. Don't be surprised if that Rifle/Carb/Pistoleer is also a BH though 
Darkknight109
Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:45 pm
#35
Exactly. Good post, Nikota.
I'm not afraid to say it, I'd run from any BH that came for me? Why? I'm afraid, pure and simple. I'm afraid that you'll win and take away my whole afternoon's work. Maybe I just have an issue with self-esteem, but I don't hold my PvP skills in very high respect and in fact anyone who decides to come after me, I treat as someone who could kill me with a snap of their wrist.
StabMastah
Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:51 pm
#36
Darkknight109 wrote:
I refuse to become some 12-year-old respec-BH's plaything, and as a result I missed out on double XP. I also didn't choose to unfairly take advantage of the respec, another thing I was penalized for. This is the reason I have cancelled my account,
Best thing I read all day here. One less Jedi. One less whiner who thinks all BH's are 12 year old griefers.
My friend said it best " For every 1 jedi that finally gets burned out and quits, there are 40 other players who have already quit because of him "
Darkknight109
Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:10 pm
#37
StabMastah wrote:
Darkknight109 wrote:
I refuse to become some 12-year-old respec-BH's plaything, and as a result I missed out on double XP. I also didn't choose to unfairly take advantage of the respec, another thing I was penalized for. This is the reason I have cancelled my account,
Best thing I read all day here. One less Jedi. One less whiner who thinks all BH's are 12 year old griefers.
My friend said it best " For every 1 jedi that finally gets burned out and quits, there are 40 other players who have already quit because of him "
Read the rest of the topic, Stab. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what gives BH a bad name...
StabMastah
Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:13 pm
#38
Bh's have a good name. Poll every non Jedi player and ask them what profession they would like to see removed from the game. I guarantee it would be Jedi.
StabMastah
Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:21 pm
#39
" suddenly a group of Dantari spawned 40m away from me (which is outside visibility range, but I didn't know that at the time). I immediately put the saber away, cancelled all my missions, slammed a house down as fast as I could, ran inside, set it to private and didn't come out until half an hour later when I'd had three of my BH friends confirm that I was not on the terms. "
Oh and buddy, If I give BH's a bad name.. then do you think pulling BS coward moves like this give Jedi a good one ??