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Combat and BombDroids can track and attack cloaked Jedi...Force Run + Force Cloak = Force Drain...No Force + MBH =Dead Jedi

Part of your point may be true but when Jedi is a big selling point to the game and you make it virtually impossible to play or enjoy playing you are going to lose players.

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REDLION78 wrote:

Combat and Bomb Droids can track and attack cloaked Jedi...Force Run + Force Cloak = Force Drain...No Force + MBH =Dead Jedi

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Yeah, that bug is getting more and more commonly abused.

On original topic, tho...Maybe you're right? Maybe this is more star warsy. And you're right, that is a good thing. But the bad thing is, it will end up angering yet another wave of players into quitting. And quitting players is not really good for the game. No matter what kind of players they are/were. Less players = less in-game economy consumers, and less players = less subscriber dollars towards staff budget.

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FernGully wrote:

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REDLION78 wrote:

Combat and Bomb Droids can track and attack cloaked Jedi...Force Run + Force Cloak = Force Drain...No Force + MBH =Dead Jedi

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Yeah, that bug is getting more and more commonly abused.

On original topic, tho...Maybe you're right? Maybe this is more star warsy. And you're right, that is a good thing. But the bad thing is, it will end up angering yet another wave of players into quitting. And quitting players is not really good for the game. No matter what kind of players they are/were. Less players = less in-game economy consumers, and less players = less subscriber dollars towards staff budget.

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It's not abused. It makes perfect sense to be able to target someone you can't see.

'Sides, it lets BH's kill Jedi and that's what it's all about.

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Zade_Taerin wrote:

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evanight wrote:

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Zade_Taerin wrote:

I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...

Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...

Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...

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And seen as there is no reason to stand and fight I will bet that you are right on the cloak and run (more so than now) but what fun is that?

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For the BH'r it is the thrill of the hunt that is the fun. For the Jedi, sorryily it may not be... but perhaps they enjoy the thrill of the challenge, ie. the paranoia of being hunted, the thrill of the escape.The fact remains and I stated this on the Jedi boards:

"Remember, your Jedi character is 50% of the toons available to you. If you're not enjoying Jedi then play the other one at no extra charge. Jedi is end-game content, your reward for doing everything,kill everything,being everythingin game...it is a choice and it is your challenge. Think ofas dialing up the difficulty level. If you can't handle the difficulty then you have other options."

The reduced number of Jedi that are visible in the current SW timeline brings the game backin-line...

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Message Edited by evanight on 06-23-2005 12:25 PM

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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:

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FernGully wrote:

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REDLION78 wrote:

Combat and Bomb Droids can track and attack cloaked Jedi...Force Run + Force Cloak = Force Drain...No Force + MBH =Dead Jedi

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Yeah, that bug is getting more and more commonly abused.

On original topic, tho...Maybe you're right? Maybe this is more star warsy. And you're right, that is a good thing. But the bad thing is, it will end up angering yet another wave of players into quitting. And quitting players is not really good for the game. No matter what kind of players they are/were. Less players = less in-game economy consumers, and less players = less subscriber dollars towards staff budget.

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It's not abused. It makes perfect sense to be able to target someone you can't see.

'Sides, it lets BH's kill Jedi and that's what it's all about.

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*produces warm towel to wipe off stubborn sarcasm residue.*

Message Edited by FernGully on 06-23-2005 03:28 PM

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FernGully wrote:

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REDLION78 wrote:

Combat and Bomb Droids can track and attack cloaked Jedi...Force Run + Force Cloak = Force Drain...No Force + MBH =Dead Jedi

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Yeah, that bug is getting more and more commonly abused.

On original topic, tho...Maybe you're right? Maybe this is more star warsy. And you're right, that is a good thing. But the bad thing is, it will end up angering yet another wave of players into quitting. And quitting players is not really good for the game. No matter what kind of players they are/were. Less players = less in-game economy consumers, and less players = less subscriber dollars towards staff budget.

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Not true... nerfing an alpha class that takes a long, long time to obtain makes all of the other classes more viable. A casual player, a RP player, a class player, also a new player, will be more apt to engage in SWG activities if they feel they actually stand a snow-balls chance in he77 of surviving and contributing. More and more players are discouraged from GCW and PvP activities due to the advantagesimparted to an alpha class. If you want proof just go to the GCW forums.... and for the record, Jedi are not the most populous class. SOE therefore would be more concerned in perhaps the well being of the "muggles"... this is speculation mind you but if you look at the percentage of Jedi players on the server I guessing that it may not be even 5% of the total server population.

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evanight wrote:

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Zade_Taerin wrote:

I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...

Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...

Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...

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And seen as there is no reason to stand and fight I will bet that you are right on the cloak and run (more so than now) but what fun is that?

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It's more fun to annihilate everything and be opposed by no one like Jedi have been?

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

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evanight wrote:

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Zade_Taerin wrote:

I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...

Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...

Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...

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And seen as there is no reason to stand and fight I will bet that you are right on the cloak and run (more so than now) but what fun is that?

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It's more fun to annihilate everything and be opposed by no one like Jedi have been?

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WookieOgre wrote:

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Zade_Taerin wrote:

I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...

Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...

Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...

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If you think for one minute the changes are made because of any kind of time-line, sorry not true. The changes were made because no one could think of any kind of way to balance the power Jedi had over regular players. It's always easier to nerf. The doom and gloom is wrong and right. On one hand they are correct that pretty much Jedi being top dog is over but it doesn't mean we still have to roll over and die. In regular PvP we will be able to die like the rest of melee players now.....the problem is going to be with BH missions which I'll bet is going to be changing very soon.

btw, if they wanted to follow the true time line....hmmm I can think of A LOT that is completely out of place in this game (too many BH's for one).

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What? Are we supposed to be in hiding? Are we being hunted by the Emperor and exterminated like roaches? I don't remember that in any of the stories... wow, here I thought all along that Jedi were supposed to be rare.

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evanight wrote:

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

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evanight wrote:

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Zade_Taerin wrote:

I've been perusing through the Jedi boards and all I see is doom-and-gloom over impending nerfage. The common response: we will have no chance against a good BH'ror multiple BH'rs, it's either cloak and run or be destroyed...

Hmmm... in the current supposed time-line of Star Wars Galaxy the Jedi have been hunted to near extinction. They are to be hunted and destroyed by order of the state... they are running, hiding or dying... looks like we may actually get back to the "true" timeline after all...

Just an observation... good luck to you all, both Jedi and BH'rs...

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And seen as there is no reason to stand and fight I will bet that you are right on the cloak and run (more so than now) but what fun is that?

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It's more fun to annihilate everything and be opposed by no one like Jedi have been?

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Nope never have and not all Jedi want this but all Jedi want to have fun

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That's your first mistake. If you're paying SOE to have fun, you're throwing your money away. If you're paying SOE to punish you for having fun, and handing the reins of punishment to whomever feels like getting some kicks in with no real qualifications whatsoever, you're on the right track.

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Zade_Taerin wrote:

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FernGully wrote:

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REDLION78 wrote:

Combat and Bomb Droids can track and attack cloaked Jedi...Force Run + Force Cloak = Force Drain...No Force + MBH =Dead Jedi

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Yeah, that bug is getting more and more commonly abused.

On original topic, tho...Maybe you're right? Maybe this is more star warsy. And you're right, that is a good thing. But the bad thing is, it will end up angering yet another wave of players into quitting. And quitting players is not really good for the game. No matter what kind of players they are/were. Less players = less in-game economy consumers, and less players = less subscriber dollars towards staff budget.

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Not true... nerfing an alpha class that takes a long, long time to obtain makes all of the other classes more viable. A casual player, a RP player, a class player, also a new player, will be more apt to engage in SWG activities if they feel they actually stand a snow-balls chance in he77 of surviving and contributing. More and more players are discouraged from GCW and PvP activities due to the advantages imparted to an alpha class. If you want proof just go to the GCW forums.... and for the record, Jedi are not the most populous class. SOE therefore would be more concerned in perhaps the well being of the "muggles"... this is speculation mind you but if you look at the percentage of Jedi players on the server I guessing that it may not be even 5% of the total server population.

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There are ways to solve the problems of the imbalance between Jedi and "muggles" without pissing either side off (which leads to cancellations), I believe. If the specific problem you're refering to is the GCW, well, yes, I agree it sucks. For the life of me, I will never understand the rationale behind forcing Jedi into the GCW when SOE introduced the FRS. No fun for the muggles who get wrecked, and no fun for the Jedi to wreck someone who isn't really a challenge. The only ones it benefits are the "I'm uber, WTFpwnd!" jedi who just like to bully the weaker guys, and I don't really wanna play a game set up to benefit such folk.

But as I said, there are other ways to solve the problems, and make this game fit better with the SW lore. SOE seems to have just chosen the easiest way out: NERF! Make everyone the same!

I left 5 mo's ago, in the hopes that when I returned, thjings would be different....Haha..it is lookin like star wars again, cause the majority of people are using guns again instaed of sticks and swords.

Next, I have been a BH for 1 yr, and before the respec period, BH was considered a damn joke profession. We would get beaten by everyone, now that we are stronger, Jedi want us back to the pushovers we were.

The only problem I have with star wars, is that the respec allowed even dancers to drop and pick up bh for the hell of it...what the hell happened to earning bh thru hard work??