Bounty Hunter Archive

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mintas wrote:
These changes kick butt. As a knight I am looking forward to alot more visits...

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Hehe, I wish you were on my server.. that's about all I hunt anyway (or fully templated paddies).

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Tucheck wrote:

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Eskie wrote:

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Kaukiji wrote:

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Eskie wrote:
I love how people but "unbiased" in the title of their posts and then present a pretty one-sided view.

How about:

Has the introduction of reuse timers on Jedi healing increased or decreased the probability of successful BH missions?

Has the increase of healing power in regular healing professions increased or decreased the probability of successful BH missions?

Same goes with mind / action cost on Jedi healing, removal of LS damage type with CU and a lot more. Stop whining.

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how has saber damage being INCREASED had an effect on BH successes.

How has LOWERED force costs on force powers had an effect on BH successes


we can go at this all day long.

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Exactly - there were Jedi nerfs, and there were BH nerfs, and there were Jedi improvements, and there were BH improvements. The original post is biased because it only is aiming to show the BH nerfs and Jedi improvements - thats my point, not more.

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Ummm...the Bounty Hunter professions ITSELF has received NO improvements...other professions that MAY be used in combination WITH MBH received improvements. I tend to focus on teh actual BH profession, now that MBH is going to be required, rather then other "support" professions a BH may obtain as well.

It's just like when so many Jedi came to the BH forums to complain about a Pistoleer ability. Yeah, we used it....but it didn't belong in the BH forum.

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Dont talk about Jedi then, but talk about Force Defense, Force Enhancement, Force Powers, Force Healing and Lightsaber if you want to get into such details.

And dont cry "nerf Jedi Healing" if you cant damage a Master Force Defender.

Message Edited by Eskie on 07-06-2005 05:38 PM

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I8TheWorm wrote:

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mintas wrote:
These changes kick butt. As a knight I am looking forward to alot more visits...

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Hehe, I wish you were on my server.. that's about all I hunt anyway (or fully templated paddies).

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I have a bh and I am with you I see no point in running up to a lvl54 paddy and 2 shotting him...no fun. And for the previous poster you cant realy tell how far along a paddy is based on lvl as I believe only one full master will give you a lvl 80 paddy...

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Dicemanorama wrote:
Yeah. Look forward to a lot of BH's getting within targetting range, studying you for a few minutes, and saying, "forget it."

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QFFE

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Tucheck wrote:

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Dicemanorama wrote:
Yeah. Look forward to a lot of BH's getting within targetting range, studying you for a few minutes, and saying, "forget it."

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QFFE

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If somebody just wasted a little time tracking a mark, why wouldnt he take a shot at it? BHs got nothing to lose as it stands right now - no item decay, no xp loss, nothing. The only thing that might happen to them is a forced relocation to a cloner. On the other hand, if they win, they get the reward for the time they invested. So why not attack?

Message Edited by Eskie on 07-06-2005 05:57 PM

Oh one other thing, I do believe I read that in addition to the changes to player bounties, they have re-balanced NPC bounties so at least that gives the bounty hunters some specific bounty hunter content to do at higher levels, which is a good thing.

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Eskie wrote:

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Tucheck wrote:

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Eskie wrote:
I love how people but "unbiased" in the title of their posts and then present a pretty one-sided view.

How about:

Has the introduction of reuse timers on Jedi healing increased or decreased the probability of successful BH missions?
No change, healing abilities are not the ONLY recourse Jedi have while in combat. I have fought to Jedi who didn't attack or heal once. Stasis and run, stasis and run.

Has the increase of healing power in regular healing professions increased or decreased the probability of successful BH missions?
Increased...provided a MBH has a healing profession as part of their template.

Same goes with mind / action cost on Jedi healing, removal of LS damage type with CU and a lot more.
Increased slightly. In spite of the added action/mind cost and the removal of LS damage, MANY Jedi STILL hit for a lot of damage.
Mind/action and loss of LS damage had little effect of the efficiency of a Jedi abilty to do damage.
Just look at the change in armor effectivness AFTER armor break. It went from 50% to about 10% absorption. The bottom line...they changes ONE thing, but made up by adding something else. Balance? Perhaps...but whats the balance on ANY of the changes listed above?

Stop whining.
This is a discussion....hardly whinning. It's only whinning if I don't support my statements.

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Good. So why werent these questions, which you just admitted are increasing the success change for a BH, in your original question catalogue? If more question of that kind would have been in there, it would have been unbiased, but you were concentrating on the BH nerfs / Jedi improvements. Thats the point I wanted to make - revise your list and include all changes from pub 9 up until now and you might even come to the conclusion that Jedi got more nerfs than BHs.

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As I orginally stated...I brought up the changes that I felt made the MOST impact. Although I was an orginal proponent for moving Jedi missions to the MBH box a little over a year ago...this was under the assumption that the MBH box would include skills or abilities needed to actually complete the Jedi missions we were to be granted. Moving Jedi missions to the MBH box only changes the fact that a BH WITH the Master title is the only profession that does NOT perform as effective as any other profession with a Mastery ONLY by it's elimination.(run on, I know...I'm sorry).

The changes made to Jedi action/mind and healing does not have as much impact as the changes I listed (of course, IMO). Many fully templated Padawans are already much stronger then any combination of templates that MUST include MBH. So....what has more of an impact? The fact that there will be LESS BHs now able to take a Jedi mission...the fact that requiring the MBH title now makes BHs LESS effective...combined with the OTHER changes, this leaves MANY Padawans with less BHs able to hinder their progress (that's even IF we are able to obtain a mission that is NOT a fully templated Padawan), and more importantly...BHs that are less ABLE to DB their mark IF they get the chance.

I feel that making the road to being fully templated Jedi easier, is much more deserving of attention then what happens when we find them.

NEW NOTE!

Think about this for a moment:

Since becoming a fully templated Jedi is bascially a JOKE (well, so is any other combat profession, with the LOS on Kashyyyk, however, Jedi have always been told their "lives" would be tough as hell) now....this will without a doubt increase the Jedi population as a whole. Let's fast forward a few weeks. Once a Jedi reaches the VERY hard level of "full template" (if they can't kill you with damage, they can Cloak and Stasis to run away), what percentage of Jedi ON the BH mission terminals do you think will be fully templated? With little to fear...the number of Jedi gaining the MOST vis in Starports and Cantinas will be the full templates.

I noticed this becuase it takes SO little ltime to grind out a fully templated Jedi now. The window for a Jedi that a MBH can actually kill is getting smaller and smaller. Even now, the terminals are becoming filled with 225K and 226K...however, these SAME Jedi were on the mission terms less then 3 weeks ago as 120K and 180K Jedi.

My point....pretty soon there will be MORE fully templated Jedi, then player trying to complete a template. So for every 10 Jedi missions I may see on the BH terminal....2 or 3 are NOT standing in front of a Starport dueling all day. Am I, as a MBH more able to handle this mission then I was before the above listed "pro Jedi" changes? I don't think it makes THAT much difference....hence...why they were not listed.

Good discussion, sorry I took the long way around...but I had to.

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Eskie wrote:

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Tucheck wrote:

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Dicemanorama wrote:
Yeah. Look forward to a lot of BH's getting within targetting range, studying you for a few minutes, and saying, "forget it."

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QFFE

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If somebody just wasted a little time tracking a mark, why wouldnt he take a shot at it? BHs got nothing to lose as it stands right now - no item decay, no xp loss, nothing. The only thing that might happen to them is a forced relocation to a cloner. On the other hand, if they win, they get the reward for the time they invested. So why not attack?

Message Edited by Eskie on 07-06-2005 05:57 PM

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Silent protest....even if I have nothing to lose...I don't fight battles I cannot win. Hey, it's $15 a month, I'll use it how I want, even if it doesn't make sense to anyone BUT me.

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Tucheck wrote:

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Eskie wrote:

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Tucheck wrote:

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Eskie wrote:
I love how people but "unbiased" in the title of their posts and then present a pretty one-sided view.

How about:

Has the introduction of reuse timers on Jedi healing increased or decreased the probability of successful BH missions?
No change, healing abilities are not the ONLY recourse Jedi have while in combat. I have fought to Jedi who didn't attack or heal once. Stasis and run, stasis and run.

Has the increase of healing power in regular healing professions increased or decreased the probability of successful BH missions?
Increased...provided a MBH has a healing profession as part of their template.

Same goes with mind / action cost on Jedi healing, removal of LS damage type with CU and a lot more.
Increased slightly. In spite of the added action/mind cost and the removal of LS damage, MANY Jedi STILL hit for a lot of damage.
Mind/action and loss of LS damage had little effect of the efficiency of a Jedi abilty to do damage.
Just look at the change in armor effectivness AFTER armor break. It went from 50% to about 10% absorption. The bottom line...they changes ONE thing, but made up by adding something else. Balance? Perhaps...but whats the balance on ANY of the changes listed above?

Stop whining.
This is a discussion....hardly whinning. It's only whinning if I don't support my statements.

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Good. So why werent these questions, which you just admitted are increasing the success change for a BH, in your original question catalogue? If more question of that kind would have been in there, it would have been unbiased, but you were concentrating on the BH nerfs / Jedi improvements. Thats the point I wanted to make - revise your list and include all changes from pub 9 up until now and you might even come to the conclusion that Jedi got more nerfs than BHs.

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As I orginally stated...I brought up the changes that I felt made the MOST impact. Although I was an orginal proponent for moving Jedi missions to the MBH box a little over a year ago...this was under the assumption that the MBH box would include skills or abilities needed to actually complete the Jedi missions we were to be granted. Moving Jedi missions to the MBH box only changes the fact that a BH WITH the Master title is the only profession that does NOT perform as effective as any other profession with a Mastery ONLY by it's elimination.(run on, I know...I'm sorry).

The changes made to Jedi action/mind and healing does not have as much impact as the changes I listed (of course, IMO). Many fully templated Padawans are already much stronger then any combination of templates that MUST include MBH. So....what has more of an impact? The fact that there will be LESS BHs now able to take a Jedi mission...the fact that requiring the MBH title now makes BHs LESS effective...combined with the OTHER changes, this leaves MANY Padawans with less BHs able to hinder their progress (that's even IF we are able to obtain a mission that is NOT a fully templated Padawan), and more importantly...BHs that are less ABLE to DB their mark IF they get the chance.

I feel that making the road to being fully templated Jedi easier, is much more deserving of attention then what happens when we find them.

NEW NOTE!

Think about this for a moment:

Since becoming a fully templated Jedi is bascially a JOKE (well, so is any other combat profession, with the LOS on Kashyyyk, however, Jedi have always been told their "lives" would be tough as hell) now....this will without a doubt increase the Jedi population as a whole. Let's fast forward a few weeks. Once a Jedi reaches the VERY hard level of "full template" (if they can't kill you with damage, they can Cloak and Stasis to run away), what percentage of Jedi ON the BH mission terminals do you think will be fully templated? With little to fear...the number of Jedi gaining the MOST vis in Starports and Cantinas will be the full templates.

I noticed this becuase it takes SO little ltime to grind out a fully templated Jedi now. The window for a Jedi that a MBH can actually kill is getting smaller and smaller. Even now, the terminals are becoming filled with 225K and 226K...however, these SAME Jedi were on the mission terms less then 3 weeks ago as 120K and 180K Jedi.

My point....pretty soon there will be MORE fully templated Jedi, then player trying to complete a template. So for every 10 Jedi missions I may see on the BH terminal....2 or 3 are NOT standing in front of a Starport dueling all day. Am I, as a MBH more able to handle this mission then I was before the above listed "pro Jedi" changes? I don't think it makes THAT much difference....hence...why they were not listed.

Good discussion, sorry I took the long way around...but I had to.

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This is not on topic and for that I apologize.

Yes let's skip forward a few weeks. I think this nerf (yes nerf) on the BH system is a step towards two things, FRS, and GCW.

I think this new BH system is designed to push a lot of people away from the profession and let Jedi advance somewhat easier. Right now this game is BH vs Jedi Galaxies. Plain and simple. Needless to say, this is quite lame.

I think that these changes to the BH system are designed to deter many BH's away fromthe BHvs Jedi warand get them involved back in the GCW. One profession had to go in order to end this war.......it wasnt going to be Jedi.

I think the advancement of paddies and increase in numbers of people ready to complete the knight trials (whatever they will be) is to ramp up for the new FRS. If the FRS had enough people and is decent, this will hopefully take Jedi out of the GCW (with teh addition of a few extra rules to teh GCW to keep Jedi out).

With the BH vs Jedi war pretty much done, the will leave teh rest of the professions to start focusing on more what SWG is supposed to be about, and that's a galatic civil war between two factions.

Message Edited by HappyFunBal on 07-06-2005 09:34 AM