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Thread: FEEDBACK: Jedi Missions No Longer Showing Player Name, or Bounty Payout
I don't know why, but everytime I see this as an excuse from Jedi it makes me laugh. It makes me think of the daily nights where I see gank squads of Jedi roaming theed taking out the lonely imperials or rebels who shuttle, drive in overt.
Scoooter wrote:
A) Gank squads on Paddy's - now people have suggested that the number of missions generated could be limited based on Jedi strength but the dev's did not choose that solution
DekkoFett wrote:
I don't know why, but everytime I see this as an excuse from Jedi it makes me laugh. It makes me think of the daily nights where I see gank squads of Jedi roaming theed taking out the lonely imperials or rebels who shuttle, drive in overt.
Scoooter wrote:
A) Gank squads on Paddy's - now people have suggested that the number of missions generated could be limited based on Jedi strength but the dev's did not choose that solution
Overt versus overt fighting is not whats being talked about here. There is a major difference. People do not walk around overt without their templates done, also they know the risks.
But 3 or 4 BH's being told the exact waypoint of a weaker player is a big difference
Scoooter wrote:
DekkoFett wrote:
I don't know why, but everytime I see this as an excuse from Jedi it makes me laugh. It makes me think of the daily nights where I see gank squads of Jedi roaming theed taking out the lonely imperials or rebels who shuttle, drive in overt.
Scoooter wrote:
A) Gank squads on Paddy's - now people have suggested that the number of missions generated could be limited based on Jedi strength but the dev's did not choose that solution
Overt versus overt fighting is not whats being talked about here. There is a major difference. People do not walk around overt without their templates done, also they know the risks.
But 3 or 4 BH's being told the exact waypoint of a weaker player is a big difference
Scoooter wrote:
First off I am a Jedi and not a BH so dont just flame me for that
Now the payout changes are bogus IMO. The level of Jedi a BH can handle is directly related to the strength of the build the BHchose. It is important that the BH have a clue so not a lot of their game time is wasted tracking a mark they cannot handle.
However
The name changes are good.
The problem is there is true griefing going on by a small portion of the BH community. That needed resolved plus there might be future FRS implications of BH's knowing the names that only the devs could speak to
The following is being done to players.
A) Gank squads on Paddy's - now people have suggested that the number of missions generated could be limited based on Jedi strength but the dev's did not choose that solution
This is what should have been done...Missions Generated by Strenght of the Jedi..
B) Some BH's will find a weak pvp'er and get their mission constantly
Problem with this is the System isnt clearing the VIS apon death correctly and/or not Clearing other Missions held by other BH..
C) Some BH's find people they do not like and target them
I personally dont see nothing wrong with this one but, they only should beable to only hit them once..
Revert back to VIS Clearing
D) In large pvp altercations it is VERY common that the other side will have their guilds bh's go covert to the battle after a specific Jedi and as 10 of their friends are shooting them they pounce. Their friends can help them but the Jedi cannot be helped at this point. Now this is unintended game play. It is intended that the BH can pounce on a mark in combat if they track them there. But in this case there is no tracking required. In this case it is basically an I win button with a big credit payout.
Cant say anything about this..Never heard of it before now..
I fully agree with painting the marks with Faction Standing for BHs that only want to hunt a different Faction..
I dont mind them removing the Payout as much as i do the name...I scout my marks no matter what lvl of Jedi they are..My last mark took me 4 days to complete..Im not one to give up cause, a mark runs into a house and Logs..In fact, makes me want to complete the mission even more..
Taking away the name allmost makes the First Strike mute and Ill tell you why....If you dont know who your hunting, it allmost mutes any abillty to scout your mark...If you have to run up and find a TEF to ID your mark..Hes onto you and if you dont open combat right then..Your targeted with a Target Macro and when you get in that scope..It will be run and/or logout before you can even get close...Where if you know his name you can scout around under the gun and find out things about your mark, giving youa true 1st strike you can setup for...
I really dont know why they make these feedback threads...The DEVs will allways take the easy wayout rather than spend some time fixing the problems and the easy way usally causes more trouble..Anyone that has play'd this game for awhile knows the DEVs and what they do..
Taking DEVs to fix things makes no money..It in fact cost them money...They could have them DEVs off working on the next cash cow for this game..
Message Edited by DayWalkerRori on 07-07-2005 10:48 AM
DekkoFett wrote:
Scoooter wrote:
DekkoFett wrote:
I don't know why, but everytime I see this as an excuse from Jedi it makes me laugh. It makes me think of the daily nights where I see gank squads of Jedi roaming theed taking out the lonely imperials or rebels who shuttle, drive in overt.
Scoooter wrote:
A) Gank squads on Paddy's - now people have suggested that the number of missions generated could be limited based on Jedi strength but the dev's did not choose that solution
Overt versus overt fighting is not whats being talked about here. There is a major difference. People do not walk around overt without their templates done, also they know the risks.
But 3 or 4 BH's being told the exact waypoint of a weaker player is a big difference
You missed my point. Even full template Jedi cry about being ganked by 5 Bounty Hunters. Yet they run around in Jedi Gank Squads and gank single overt Imperials. I don't see a big difference here. I was making a general observation, not just one directed towards Padawans.
Well the true griefing issue with BH ganking is padewan related. That is part of their reasoning is becaus of the frequency that it happens. Sure you will have some Jedi whine when ganked and fully templated. But it is easy to see the true issue over the whines.
My point also is overt versus overt ganking is not a jedi only problem. Overt versus Overt ganking was happening before Jedi existed in the game. That is more of a player mentality and is a differnet issue all together. The problem was pre-cu it happened more because of the power Jedi used to have. Many Jedi that had this mentality qut when tey could not be uber. However some still exist. Some with this mentality exist and do not have Jedi. Setting yourself attackable by choice to an entire faction is a differnt thing all together.
Overts cannot go to a mission term with 3 or 4 buddies of teh same profession, find an weaker player, drop some droids and get an exact waypoint and all of them get the initial attack automatically. Paddy gank squads happen frequently and many BH's in this forum do not condone that, but it happens a lot.
NarfBlinko wrote:Ok, first off, DOES ANYONE BESIDES FUGITRON AND I READ THE PATCH NOTES?
The notes in the In Testing-Dev Forum state that Jedi can only be on the terms if online. They can go offline *after* you take the mission, but if they are on the term, they are online. The terms will list the Jedi's faction: Imperial, Rebel, Neutral. Payouts will be random amount from 45k-52k with a bonus payout upon completion calculated based on the Jedi's level (not sure yet if this is CL or SP spent).
As of this post, I am unable to locate any feedback regarding when or if the BH ever gets the name of their mark, so I think that needs to be left alone until we know more.
I like these changes. It takes out the cash cow that was BH hunting. Combined with the mission move to MBH, makes MBH more valuable and dumps the people who called themselves BH when they only had 3/14 boxes in the profession. As long as the BH gets the name of the mark from either SpyNet or Probot, all will be well.
I can tell you that at no point is the mark's name ever revealed. Not until you can hit tab and target him. I posted my info in the TC-Bloodfin here on the BH forum. And the total payout I received for killing my mark was 226k and she was a double mastery - so there is no real change there.
I'm going to be on TC-Bloodfin again tonight with my jedi this time and I'm going to test Kash. We'll see if a BH comes for me there. I imagine I should be able to arrange a BH visit.
Attention all those who wonder or care about the faction of jedi...
"The Empire has no need of the ancient Jedi, no matter their political affiliation. The
Empire pays good credits for extinguishing the lives of this scum. We've received word
through our trusted informants of a Jedi hiding place. We have heard you may be up
for the challenge.Can you be counted on? The Empire needs such citizens working
hard for peace and prosperity."
This my friends and enemies, is an exact quote of a bounty hunter mission description, taken directly from a mission terminal in Kaadara, Naboo... andread closely the first and second sentences. So... all you whiners out there who say "omg, you're an imp killing an imp?" or "I'm gonna have you banned for hunting imperials since you are an imperial" and any other such nonsense, which I'm sure anyone who's been a bounty hunter long enough to actually hunt a jedi has heard... you can all take a good look at the above text and realize one thing...
THE EMPIRE PAYS FOR THE KILLING OF ALL, that's spelled A-L-L, JEDI, NO MATTER THEIR POLITICAL AFFILIATION.
And for those of you who still don't understand, /sigh... I refer you to the movies titled, Star Wars I, II, III, IV, V and VI. Pay attention when you watch them because that's where the reality of the STAR WARS universe comes from.
and btw, I don't remember the Rebellion hiring bounty hunters for anything... /shrug
Infiniium
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it's a horrible idea.
right now full template jedi out number the jedi in training by more than 2:1 on every server I have BH toons on.
to prevent griefing the terminals should keep a record of the names of jedi the BH has killed and prevent the player from getting a mission for the same target for X days or something. making the full template jedi anonymous and 1v1 just makes it less fun to be a BH.
anonymous sucks because no longer can I get a mission for a load camper or an afk spammer.
The payout isn't such a bad idea, but the system should either give some clue on jedi strength. Also a CL 58 BH shouldn't get a mission for a CL 80 player jedi if the jedi strength is going to be hidden. Remember the next planned fisting is making BH hunt BH who fail on these missions, which will be icing on the jedi's cake. (BH comes attacks you, you kill them, you call them a noob, log on your BH toon, get their mission and hunt them down.)
NarfBlinko wrote:
As long as the BH gets the name of the mark from either SpyNet or Probot, all will be well.
Reports from TC say you don't. You get the planet. Go there... launch seekers.. get to the waypoint, and tab until you get a player. That's your target. That's when you know the name.
*** edit *** As you just saw posted by IamCadan >>> Thanks for testing. That feedback was needed.
Message Edited by Auraboron on 07-07-2005 10:06 AM
Loanstar wrote:
Alright, I have a friend that owns a Bail Bonds business. She hires people to bring in those that have "Jumped Bail". They are considered Bounty Hunters. D they jump on a plane and run all over the world trying to catch armed dangerous terrorists? No, they grab the guy that didn't attend his domestic violence trial. They realize their lilitations and choose appropriately. As do the BH in SWG. If they are anonymous and no payout showxs, what are they to do? I see this as ass-kissing to the Jedi, pure and simple. And I am not saying that as someone who has ever even hunted one.
ummmm go away please jedi noob. you have NO Idea whats its like being a BH , bh's already can not heal each other in fights so it makes it easier for full temp jedis to kil lthem 2 on one. it already takes at leas 30 minutes to get the same mission for only 2 people. also when your soloing its gonna be very hard finnding people that arent somewhere on kashyyk and you waisting 20 minutes per instance just trying to find them. dont say its LAZY to not go look. its just not EFFICIENT what so ever. waisint all that time just for a jedi that will probubly get DBed by the wookies hes grinding with a huge group in one spot half afk to log off as soon asthe npc DB's him. so NO this system will not work and YES it is game breaking. TANKS and many others of points out how it will not work and it still will NOT WORK.
JutMan wrote:
I would say perfect and perfect....
This is what the game has needed for a long time!
- No more griefing! You cannot selectively attack the same person over and over and over because they called you a little girley Bounty Hunter!
- You can no longer get 4 buddies to take the same Jedi mission! No more teaming for the win! Bounty Hunting is a solo profession not a gang up.
- You no longer can select the lowliest padawan to pick on to boost your ego!
- You cannot see a Jedi at a starport and go take his mission for fun!
- You cannot selectively take a Jedi mission while he is doing PvP!
OK, where is the down side?
Ohhh.. I have to do ALL of Bounty Hunter to get teh Skill!!!
Ummmm... WHAAAAAA.. try being forced to take Master Lightsaber... Try being forced to have to take defender... Try being forced to have to take 4004 healing to live.
Finally, Try getting NERFED for the millionth time! This is the FIRST and ONLY (not even a real nerf) that Bounty Hunters have EVER and i mean EVER gotten.
Suck it up... There is no downside here... None... Nada... Zip and Zero...
**EDIT** or get off the pot... Be a bounty hunter go do something else..
BTW, Good luck to all you stinking lowlife FRS Grinding Jedi Masters... So much for your little game!
PEACE!