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Thread: Is this an exploit?

Mythrindir
Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:55 pm
#300






Lotussutol wrote:





Dodece wrote:

Actually poster this is an exploit more specifically denoted as training, and its a bannable offense. A player cannot drag aggro creatures ontop of another player without consent, or more specific to cause that player unwanted harm. You did not engage in activity that would drag the attack upon yourself. The player intentionally pulled aggro radius onto you that you would otherwise avoid.


Shame on the other forum members who feed you the line that this is smart. This is not smart its exploiting. For a more specific reference read the EULA training npc/mobs on other players is expressly forbidden and is deemed an exploit. In this case its not even incidental its intentional. The jedi has absolutely no excuse he was exploiting.


There is no fine line here infact this is standard practice in most mmorpgs training is exploiting. Other examples of training exploiting are pulling kimogilia krayts and so forth onto bases. So they will destroy the turrets. Pulling mobs into cities to attack other players. Lair pumping mission lairs while other players are combating the creatures of said nest.


My advice is to report this jedi. He is neither being smart cunning or ingenious. He is useing a very old exploit to gain an unfair advantage/ useing game mechanics to an uninteded end. Simply file a harrassment report on the player put in that the player is useing training exploit to pull mobs onto other players, and report the name of the alt which he is useing to do this along with his jedi.


Anyone dumb enough to be useing training of mobs is dumb enough to keep doing it, and in the end dumb enough to be shocked when the CSR shows up and says congratulations you are banned.








doubt you will get banned for training in swg...I doubt you would even get a warning even though it is against the rules...


i have seen BH and Jedi incap from trains...i have seen both sides say they are doing a report on it...I have heard ZERO reports of people getting banned much less even a warning for doing it.







its against the rules to INTENTIONALLY do it...it can happen by accident but if you do it on purpose it is a bannable offense.



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Lotussutol
Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:02 pm
#301

I agree with you that it is a bannable offense...but I am saying SOE will not ban you for it...at most you would get a few warnings then a suspension...hell i doubt you would even get that...99% of the times the CSR are going to say well we don't see proof that it happened on purpose...we will keep our eye on him...then poof the csr is off to the next ticket and doesn't even think twice about joe trainer...
Cyprus301
Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:06 pm
#302






Dodece wrote:

Actually poster this is an exploit more specifically denoted as training, and its a bannable offense. A player cannot drag aggro creatures ontop of another player without consent, or more specific to cause that player unwanted harm. You did not engage in activity that would drag the attack upon yourself. The player intentionally pulled aggro radius onto you that you would otherwise avoid.


Shame on the other forum members who feed you the line that this is smart. This is not smart its exploiting. For a more specific reference read the EULA training npc/mobs on other players is expressly forbidden and is deemed an exploit. In this case its not even incidental its intentional. The jedi has absolutely no excuse he was exploiting.


There is no fine line here infact this is standard practice in most mmorpgs training is exploiting. Other examples of training exploiting are pulling kimogilia krayts and so forth onto bases. So they will destroy the turrets. Pulling mobs into cities to attack other players. Lair pumping mission lairs while other players are combating the creatures of said nest.


My advice is to report this jedi. He is neither being smart cunning or ingenious. He is useing a very old exploit to gain an unfair advantage/ useing game mechanics to an uninteded end. Simply file a harrassment report on the player put in that the player is useing training exploit to pull mobs onto other players, and report the name of the alt which he is useing to do this along with his jedi.


Anyone dumb enough to be useing training of mobs is dumb enough to keep doing it, and in the end dumb enough to be shocked when the CSR shows up and says congratulations you are banned.






once he attacked it gave the attacked individual consent to attack back in any way the game allows, if he uses the environment to his advantage so be it. if the individual who was attacked pulled a train to him before he attacked i could see a problem with it... but, like the above poster said. i doupt anything will come of it.




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Beercules
Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:08 pm
#303






Cyprus301 wrote:
once he attacked it gave the attacked individual consent to attack back in any way the game allows, if he uses the environment to his advantage so be it. if the individual who was attacked pulled a train to him before he attacked i could see a problem with it... but, like the above poster said. i doupt anything will come of it.





spoken like a true BH hater, once the bh attacks the jedi has the right to exploit




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Centaurius
Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:51 pm
#304

where is tant?



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Mythrindir
Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:11 pm
#305

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Phazaar
Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:22 am
#306

I've been warned for this on my server, and all I did was drag 2 huurtons outside my mates house as a joke (CL1 crafter lol!). Report the jedi. Part of the rules of BH v Jedi combat is that only those 2 characters should have any influence on the combat. As such, maybe the csrs should be leniant if the jedi trained the mobs onto you, but as he used a third character in the fight, I'd say warning if not suspension if not ban is fair here.



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SalvationVsScin
Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:36 am
#307






RoundWallKing wrote:





Thenger wrote:


Okay so take on an Imp Jedi. So I head to Tant and get his name and head over to where he is. Okay so I see him grinding with one other person. So I buff up, eat my food and head out to him. During the fight I see a CM using BactaSpray, so I have no clue what he is doing till the end.


The fekker drags 8 level 82 level mobs on top of me with his ALT and drops them on me while he roots me with his jedi.


Their has to be a way around this, I see the mobs so I use bacta shot and stims avoiding spray just for this reason. If this, then I will do a report, but I need to get some sort of feed-back because useing an alt to ditch out of a BH cause you suck and are getting to like 1/8th of your health then use that.


This is the most upset I have been ever, I don't care if a Jedi waxes me in combat, and I have all the respect for them if they can, and if any of the ones that read this are some that have bested me they will know that I show them the up most respect. But this just irks the living crap out of me because of this fool. Feed Back be nice. Thanks.

Message Edited by Thenger on 10-17-2005 08:47 PM




Yes it is an exploit, its called training. You cannot use NPC creatures to attack other players. Unless your a creature handler of course. Its listed in the TOS.




Sweet...sounds like I can /report every BH that runs through aggroing creatures that then aggro on me



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RoundWallKing
Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:40 am
#308



SalvationVsScin wrote:


RoundWallKing wrote:


Thenger wrote:
Okay so take on an Imp Jedi. So I head to Tant and get his name and head over to where he is. Okay so I see him grinding with one other person. So I buff up, eat my food and head out to him. During the fight I see a CM using BactaSpray, so I have no clue what he is doing till the end.
The fekker drags 8 level 82 level mobs on top of me with his ALT and drops them on me while he roots me with his jedi.
Their has to be a way around this, I see the mobs so I use bacta shot and stims avoiding spray just for this reason. If this, then I will do a report, but I need to get some sort of feed-back because useing an alt to ditch out of a BH cause you suck and are getting to like 1/8th of your health then use that.
This is the most upset I have been ever, I don't care if a Jedi waxes me in combat, and I have all the respect for them if they can, and if any of the ones that read this are some that have bested me they will know that I show them the up most respect. But this just irks the living crap out of me because of this fool. Feed Back be nice. Thanks.

Message Edited by Thenger on 10-17-2005 08:47 PM



Yes it is an exploit, its called training. You cannot use NPC creatures to attack other players. Unless your a creature handler of course. Its listed in the TOS.


Sweet...sounds like I can /report every BH that runs through aggroing creatures that then aggro on me



You cant really report this, all the bh has to do is deny it and its your word vs his. Only way to prove it is if the CSR is actually there.



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insaniac77
Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:08 am
#309

Normally I am totally against training mobs on someone but in pvp (especially forced pvp) use whatever methods are needed, you were obviously expecting some kind of an attack since you were hunting him so to me this is valid. If you were just standing in the middle of nowhere afk or something and someone drags some rancors too you on purpose then hell yeah I say ban away.



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Meatpuppet1987
Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:52 am
#310

Remember pre-cu when jedi could use their ATSTs on you? Those were the days...




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BadgerSmaker
Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:10 am
#311

Training/Luring at any time is against the ToS. Always /report it and file a ticket for harrassment.



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Meatpuppet1987
Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:20 am
#312

I think that's a little extreme when you are being attacked. Ifa player was grinding and you pulled aggros on him then I'd tend to /report them.




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