Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Bounty Hunters... what can Dev do Right Now??
AgreaAtodlie
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:33 pm
#261
UbifaA wrote:
/salute
some of you Bounty Hunters are lol the way you change your tune.
Break out those profession calculators comrades !
/salute
Sir Yes Sir!
Azkor
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:33 pm
#262
Sweet mother of mercy here comes any BH with any kinda sense getting novice brawler for intimidate. Lets see /sprayShot; /sprayShot; /intimidate; that looks like a nice little macro.
By the way anyone know the max range on intimidate?
As a followup. Removing the requirements for master scout and the trapping etc lines is a serious cop-out. We as bounty hunters need our profession fixed, not given more points to dabble into other professions to fish for the things to make us work. However, that being said I think dual weilding pistol using Master Bounty Hunter/Pistoljockies, post CB of course,are gonna become a FOTM for some of my MBH brothers. Uping the points left from 33 to 81 only exacerbates the problems of multi-tree combat profession dabblers. Expect an explosion of master fencer, meditate, investigation FOTM temploiters.
JustG, not that your gonna read this but **edit**, my suggestions are simple.
1. Change the LLC to the Lightening Rifle, making this weapon a rifle, drop the heavy weapons xps into rifle xps. This kills multiple birds with one change, wasted rifle line from marksman and lack of LLC accuracy. Once this change is made normalize the speed and accuracy mods for the Lightning rifle to be the same as the pistol/carbine lines.
2. Add state, melee, and ranged defenses into the investigations tree. About plus 40 melee and ranged and about 25 to states. This is in keeping with seeing BH as a High Damage Medium Deffense.
Other than these two the combat nerf, err rebalance, should seriously look at how useless most BH specials are. As a matter of fact I only ever use 2 BH specials, sprayshot and eyeshot, suppersion fire is better to put someone on their back than FKD or underhandshot and the other pistol specials are a joke at best.
Oh and thanks, I guess, even though all this change means is more temploiters making MBH's everywhere look like choads.
Southwick
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:33 pm
#263
AgreaAtodlie.
MBH as is= 217
MBH with change = 169
TKM = 158
That = 11 missing points.
You can pick up alot yes. But you cannot master it, which lowers its usefullness alot in the light of such things as greater accuracy from carbine/pistol lines.
ButterBandit
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:34 pm
#264
This is the worst thing I could envision. This almost guarantees that Bounty Hunter will only exist to allow a player to take Jedi missions. Everyone will pick up investigation 3, and therefore the devs will never do anything to improve the profession as a whole.
I don't want the scout reqs taken away, I felt it was a price I paid for the ability to do what a bounty hunterSHOULD be able todo. This is the devs way of saying "We know Master Bounty Hunter sucks, so we're going to give you more skill points so you can dabble in better professions because we have no intention of fixing it, Good luck and have fun!"
I don't want the scout reqs taken away, I felt it was a price I paid for the ability to do what a bounty hunterSHOULD be able todo. This is the devs way of saying "We know Master Bounty Hunter sucks, so we're going to give you more skill points so you can dabble in better professions because we have no intention of fixing it, Good luck and have fun!"
The very fact that some people are rejoicing over this guarantees it will happen too, I'm completely disgusted, never could I envision so much bad news for the BH profession coming in a single day.
Southwick
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:35 pm
#265
Azcor currently any bh that wanted to could pick up novice brawler. I havent seen it done yet.
TheReborn
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:35 pm
#266
silversaber wrote:
Annius wrote:Are you TRYING to be a smart-ass? You act like we are the cause!!! HOW Fvckin dare you act like WE ARE THE CAUSE!!! You make it sound like WE have control of the profession!!! "Not soon enough for us?!?" This profession has been FUBAR for far too long, and YOU ACT like its OUR fault?!? You promise fixes...say we should be able to "control the Jedi population", and we COMPLAIN when you don't follow through on your promises, and then you throw it back in our faces by this **edit**ty ass response?! You don't expect people to complain when you ignor the eintire profession publish after publish?!Get a clue man-
oh, and i'd rather be able to make a tent than have the BH profession nerfed to all hell when you figure out this band-aid wont hold.
Amost EVERY post from the BH'rs has been FIX ME NOW! FIX ME NOW!
If you guys constantly act like a whiny little brat, then they are gona treat you like one.
If you dont like being treated this way, then you BHrs might want to act a little more mature in your posts to the Devs, instead of flameing and trolling if you dont get your every liitle wish attended IMMEDIATLY.
Can you blame us? The Jedi cried and cried until they got what they wanted: Better way to get crystals, robes, a more unique experience, etc. (Not singling out Jedi, I'm happy they got a Revamp) Smugglers threatened to cancel and GreenMarine showed up to save the day with a Smuggler Revamp concept. I love SWG but at the same time I can't think of being anything but a Bounty Hunter. What fun is it seeing your favorite class in your favorite game go down the drain because of issues that have lingered for months?
AgreaAtodlie
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:36 pm
#267
Annius wrote:
AgreaAtodlie wrote:
Annius wrote:
JustG wrote:
... There are many many things that we can do to help out your profession, given time.
Some of the things will be addressed bythe ol' "Combat Balance" mantra ... but not soon enough for you I am sure.
Other things are proving VERY difficult for us to track down. The 0 0 0 waypoint issue is quite a bear andwe are putting in still more logging tomorrow, but again, not soon enough for you I am sure.
The Jedi XP issue is requiring programming time which we don't have. We are trying to work it in, but again not soon enough for you.
We want to help out your profession as soon as possible. So that being said, as soon as we can get it through test ...
We are going to remove the Trapping, Hunting, and Survival Scout lines from the Bounty Hunter prerequisites.
This should give you and additional 48 skill points to add to the 33 you had left over for a total of 81 additional point to spend as you please.
This is something that we have been considering for a long time, and wanted to do as part of the CB, but we need you to be as effective as possible against Jedi as soon as possible. This is a start.
Your other issues are known, and in varying stages of development, but we want you to know that things are going to get better. Hopefully rapidly.
This change will be hitting Test Center tomorrow afternoon, and should be Live by Friday.
/salute
- g
Are you TRYING to be a smart-ass? You act like we are the cause!!! HOW Fvckin dare you act like WE ARE THE CAUSE!!! You make it sound like WE have control of the profession!!! "Not soon enough for us?!?" This profession has been FUBAR for far too long, and YOU ACT like its OUR fault?!? You promise fixes...say we should be able to "control the Jedi population", and we COMPLAIN when you don't follow through on your promises, and then you throw it back in our faces by this **edit**ty ass response?! You don't expect people to complain when you ignor the eintire profession publish after publish?!
Get a clue man-
oh, and i'd rather be able to make a tent than have the BH profession nerfed to all hell when you figure out this band-aid wont hold.
*Hands Annius a cookie*...shh. Freaking out doesn't solve anything. WE understand, your perceptions and frustrations...and how JustG's response could seem to be sarcastic...but he isn't. They are bumping up something they were going to do in the combat balance...you know the one that isn't happening for like 4 to 5 months from now...to...FRIDAY...so cut them some slack in that regard. I am still pissed about the Jedi xp "oops" response...but at least they are giving us a cookie with our roofie as they screw us...so...be happy about that. Be more tactful, and less **edit** and you will see better results...although I do admit that **edit** does help at times so...
/eats cookie
Sorry I freaked out. The way he worded the "but again not soon enough for you". really pissed me off. And of course they deleted my post.
*Hands him a plate full of The Best Cookies ever*...yaI saw that too, and at first i was like "eh?" but then i saw what they were doing...it sucks that we are beyond broken, but its cool that they are kicking into over time to get this done.
Qui-Gonzalez
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:37 pm
#268
Southwick wrote:
Azcor currently any bh that wanted to could pick up novice brawler. I havent seen it done yet.
Heh, I do it. Most BH on my server do it. Veeeery useful skill to have, thanks EvilVenom!!
Gonz
Bergalad
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:37 pm
#269
JustG wrote:
... There are many many things that we can do to help out your profession, given time.
Some of the things will be addressed bythe ol' "Combat Balance" mantra ... but not soon enough for you I am sure.
Other things are proving VERY difficult for us to track down. The 0 0 0 waypoint issue is quite a bear andwe are putting in still more logging tomorrow, but again, not soon enough for you I am sure.
The Jedi XP issue is requiring programming time which we don't have. We are trying to work it in, but again not soon enough for you.
We want to help out your profession as soon as possible. So that being said, as soon as we can get it through test ...
We are going to remove the Trapping, Hunting, and Survival Scout lines from the Bounty Hunter prerequisites.
This should give you and additional 48 skill points to add to the 33 you had left over for a total of 81 additional point to spend as you please.
This is something that we have been considering for a long time, and wanted to do as part of the CB, but we need you to be as effective as possible against Jedi as soon as possible. This is a start.
Your other issues are known, and in varying stages of development, but we want you to know that things are going to get better. Hopefully rapidly.
This change will be hitting Test Center tomorrow afternoon, and should be Live by Friday.
/salute
- g
I'm not even going to read this whole thread, and I know very well this post will be lost in the shuffle too. I'll say it in all-caps to be rude:
THIS IS A BANDAID! YOU ARE MAKING BH EASIER TO GET NOT HARDER LIKE IT SHOULD BE! YOU ARE CATERING TO THE WEAK AND VOCAL MINORITY AGAIN! MAKE US A VIABLE PROFESSION THAT HAS THE ABILITIES YOU PROMISED US! DON'T GIVE US BACK SKILL POINTS, BUT INSTEAD USE ALL 250 UP TO BECOME MBH! THIS IS NOT THE ANSWER, NOT EVEN CLOSE! WHO IN THE HELL ARE YOU LISTENING TO FOR THESE IDEAS?! HOW ABOUT TALKING TO US FIRST INSTEAD OF BLANKET PROPOSALS WE DON'T WANT! THIS IS WHAT YOU DID TO THE JEDI AS WELL AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED! WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN TO US?!
Southwick
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:38 pm
#270
And to AgreaAtodlie, if me killing jedi for fun, and enjoying them lose exp is griefing then I am all for griefing.
Like I stated I became a mbh in the hopes of PERMA death for jedi. I was all set to kill them and know they lost everything.
Same for smuggling. When they put in smuggling missions I will be happy to take them out knowing they failed and I won. Thats the point of any combat game. WINNING. Watching them lose is half the battle.
Qui-Gonzalez
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:39 pm
#271
I am wondering where Tanks is during this fiasco and what he has to say about it. Just a thought.
Gonz
Southwick
Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:40 pm
#273
Qui,
Hmm not a bad idea as intimidate is much cheaper than steaks.
BUT, After TC2 i knew i need a big boost to accuracy!