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Thread: I was once a Bh, now I'm a mark :-)
So, for now you think its great, but wait, just wait...until that middle point where your normal profs are 'untrained' and your Jedi skills are not good enough for defence/attack....and the XP loss is reasonable.
Only then can you understand the non-fun part of being Jedi.
You are lucky now that no VIS for groups so maybe you will never feel it. but personally I hope you do, just once. -1 million or something, so you know how it feels for us - really.
Have fun levelling.
Hmm....interesting. I roleplay that I'm in it for the money, but I play a BH for the hunt and the pleasure and excitement of fightingone of the legendary powerful Jedi (note: that is not sarcasm). I would continue to do it with no loss of enthusiasm if the Jedi lost nothing. In fact, I would prefer getting some trophy (i.e. a badge or light-saber with the Jedi's name on it to hang in my office) from the Jedi to him/her losing XP.
Greywulf0 wrote:
Pretty good post overall. I'm quite glad to see you enjoying the hunted role.
WarSmurf wrote:
The main points to be gleaned?
1. Learn the ediquette. Not all Jedi run and hide on purpose, and some are even willing to fight you straight up.
2. Learn the game mechanics. How can you not know about being teffed from a private structure?
3. See #2
4. If you're going to pay 50k in an attempt to kill a 120k mark then deal with it. I don't mind being hunted, but I will not finance your efforts.
5. A 40k mark is probably not the best one for a new BH to go after, especially if he is setting the time and place. Lads like myself who have taken 2+ years to do the retarded FS grind more than likely have a hell of a lot more experience PvPing than your typical Respec BH. The BH who eventually got me is a long time BH that I remember seeing at the terms way back in '03.
6. This is for any Jedi that happen to be reading this. Fight the BH. Go ahead and make it under your terms. Run to an enclosed area, hide behind a tree to break LOS, dodge behind hills, but stop the lame house sitting and bugged los crap on the trails. The xp lost in a death can be made back, and if the BH wants to sit and wait on you to come out for an hour you have already lost more than what a death costs anyway. Most BH will not bother with you a second time win or lose so long as you stop the lame tactics to get away. You cloaked? Great, it's part of the game. You FR to a port and shuttle away? Great! It's part of the game. You hise in a bugged area where no one can hit you? You truly need to die repeatedly to a BH.
#4) I will never finance any BH directly. If you are stupid enough to enter a tent or house with a high entry fee, that is your loss. I will not shed a tear.
#6a) I certainly hope that whatever LOS bugs will be fixed. Hopefully very soon. I also despise all AFK grinders, whether they are jedi or not, whether they are grinding xp or loot. There is an exception to this rule that I make for entertainers. As their system of gaining xp is so incredibly lame, I'm surprised there are any entertainers in the game at all.
#6b) "This is for any Jedi that happen to be reading this. Fight the BH." Why? There is no reason for me to fight and risk losing xp. Your opinion is that the xp is easy to gain, I disagree (as I am not an AFK grinder). There is no reward for me if I defeat and kill a BH, currently. I will not get paid. I won't even get the satisfaction of causing someone who attacks me to be set back in any substantial way, as I would be if I lost. I consider all BHs hunting me to be enemies, and I will not aid them in their pursuit. Until one of 3 things happen, I will always avoid fighting any BH that comes after me.
i. I have achieved my template and don't need to worry about xp loss
II. I receive some sort of reward for defeating the BH. Even this will be greatly weighed against possible XP loss.
III. The BH receives an equal punishment for losing that I receive.
If BHs are upset that their marks are constantly running into safe houses and the like, then I suggest that they talk to the devs. As long as the devs do not give an incentive for jedi to actually fight the BHs,you will continue to see the majority of jedis running from BHs.
Borta-of-Scylla wrote:
Hmm....interesting. I roleplay that I'm in it for the money, but I play a BH for the hunt and the pleasure and excitement of fightingone of the legendary powerful Jedi (note: that is not sarcasm). I would continue to do it with no loss of enthusiasm if the Jedi lost nothing. In fact, I would prefer getting some trophy (i.e. a badge or light-saber with the Jedi's name on it to hang in my office) from the Jedi to him/her losing XP.
much agreed
WarSmurf wrote:
Hey gents. Long time since I visited the BH forums. Lots of lurking, few posts, but what the hell? I'm too lazy to type much.
In my former life I wasA BH. Mastered in Nov. '03, did the melee BH thing for a while, went back to MC/MBH a few months before the CU, blah blah blah. In my time as a BH I hit many marks, without mercy or guilt. Now, I AM the mark, and let me tell ya, I find it to be quite fun and enjoyable. In the last 7 days I have had 20 or so visits from my former associates. 4 of them actually killed me. Cest la vie. No matter what other glowy bat users may say, the exp loss isn't that big of a deal. Take the grind and deal with it. I can honestly say the the Invest grind before mounts, player cities, and vehicles was a hell of a lot harder to do.
Now for the reason I really want to post. We all have our fun stories about killing a mark right? Well, I have one from the other perspective that may just enlighten some of you "newer" Bh. *coughrespeccough* While leaving my group one night to logout I was followed by a BH all the way to my house. Now, normally I will fight a BH who has gone through the effort of tracking me, but at this time I was tired and just wanted to catch some zzzzzzz's. Upon logging in the next day I felt kind of bad that I might be seen as a "house sitter", so I decided to make good on my "bad behaviour".
The first step was to hit the Ryatt Trails. Yup, I went for the first time and killed some Wooks. Allow me to digrees a bit and state that the Trail grind has got to be the most asinine and boring thing a person could possibly do in game. now, back on topic. After raising my visability to an all time high I went back to my home city. When I first arrived our local tailor asked me to visit his tent so he could give me some new threads. Alright! Penace with snazzy duds! Now, this tailor is a bit shy, so his tent has an entry fee of 50K. Now the fun begins.
As I was waiting in the tent a lad appears carrying a proton carbine and drives right to the tent door. Being the polite person I am I ask him to wait a few minutes and I will meet him outside. His responce was of course "I'm not a BH". After pointing out that his proton was equiped I noticed it changed to a laser carb. Smart boy keeping me in the dark like that. After a minute or so of small talk he paid the fee, entered the tent, and started firing away. Or couse, he neglected to remember that BH tefs kick you from private structures. I asked him to please go to the roof of my guild hall where I wuld meet him. He did so. As I was walking up the Hall steps he decided to "Get the jump on me" by shooting before I got to the top. Oops. There's that pesky BH TEF doing it's thing again. After calming him down (he thought I banned him from the Hall because of the red curtain) I assured him that I would still be waiting on the Hall roof when he was ready.I passed the next 5 minutes explaining to him that "No, I will not refund the entry fee you paid to get into the tent" and "No, I am not coming down to fight you on an open plain."
The result of the fight is probably somewhat obvious. He died, I sat down and waited for more company. The 4th BH that showed actually knew what he was doing and took me down after a fairly long fight. /tiphat
The main points to be gleaned?
1. Learn the ediquette. Not all Jedi run and hide on purpose, and some are even willing to fight you straight up.
2. Learn the game mechanics. How can you not know about being teffed from a private structure?
3. See #2
4. If you're going to pay 50k in an attempt to kill a 120k mark then deal with it. I don't mind being hunted, but I will not finance your efforts.
5. A 40k mark is probably not the best one for a new BH to go after, especially if he is setting the time and place. Lads like myself who have taken 2+ years to do the retarded FS grind more than likely have a hell of a lot more experience PvPing than your typical Respec BH. The BH who eventually got me is a long time BH that I remember seeing at the terms way back in '03.
6. This is for any Jedi that happen to be reading this. Fight the BH. Go ahead and make it under your terms. Run to an enclosed area, hide behind a tree to break LOS, dodge behind hills, but stop the lame house sitting and bugged los crap on the trails. The xp lost in a death can be made back, and if the BH wants to sit and wait on you to come out for an hour you have already lost more than what a death costs anyway. Most BH will not bother with you a second time win or lose so long as you stop the lame tactics to get away. You cloaked? Great, it's part of the game. You FR to a port and shuttle away? Great! It's part of the game. You hise in a bugged area where no one can hit you? You truly need to die repeatedly to a BH.
Agenai wrote:
lol...you know I was sitting outside when you fought that last bh...I was covered up...and had crawled in from 500 mtrs...still sitting there covered...just waiting for you to pop your head outside
Then the other bh took you out, so I sent him a congrat tell...looked to be a good fight tho bud, took a while...I was just laying in the dirt covered up.
You were the only mark i could find that didn't give me "due the the unusually high number of lifeforms" yada yada yada...
/tiphat
I'll see you again sometime...doubt you'll see me tho
Thanks bro. Was as fun fight, and I don't mind being hit. Just choose your spot wisely.
Currently in the negative, but I am not really concerned about it. I took 2 years to get a Jedi slot opened, another 2 to level it is no big deal. In all honesty I play my new alt more than the Jedi anyway. Leveling him up as a new combat temp I'd like to try, with no BH. It's a game meant to be enjoyed over time. Save the power leveling for FPS games and the like.
S0ldad0 wrote:
No matter how nice you write it you were a BH
So, for now you think its great, but wait, just wait...until that middle point where your normal profs are 'untrained' and your Jedi skills are not good enough for defence/attack....and the XP loss is reasonable.
Only then can you understand the non-fun part of being Jedi.
You are lucky now that no VIS for groups so maybe you will never feel it. but personally I hope you do, just once. -1 million or something, so you know how it feels for us - really.
Have fun levelling.
Greywulf0 wrote:
Pretty good post overall. I'm quite glad to see you enjoying the hunted role.
WarSmurf wrote:
The main points to be gleaned?
1. Learn the ediquette. Not all Jedi run and hide on purpose, and some are even willing to fight you straight up.
2. Learn the game mechanics. How can you not know about being teffed from a private structure?
3. See #2
4. If you're going to pay 50k in an attempt to kill a 120k mark then deal with it. I don't mind being hunted, but I will not finance your efforts.
5. A 40k mark is probably not the best one for a new BH to go after, especially if he is setting the time and place. Lads like myself who have taken 2+ years to do the retarded FS grind more than likely have a hell of a lot more experience PvPing than your typical Respec BH. The BH who eventually got me is a long time BH that I remember seeing at the terms way back in '03.
6. This is for any Jedi that happen to be reading this. Fight the BH. Go ahead and make it under your terms. Run to an enclosed area, hide behind a tree to break LOS, dodge behind hills, but stop the lame house sitting and bugged los crap on the trails. The xp lost in a death can be made back, and if the BH wants to sit and wait on you to come out for an hour you have already lost more than what a death costs anyway. Most BH will not bother with you a second time win or lose so long as you stop the lame tactics to get away. You cloaked? Great, it's part of the game. You FR to a port and shuttle away? Great! It's part of the game. You hise in a bugged area where no one can hit you? You truly need to die repeatedly to a BH.
#4) I will never finance any BH directly. If you are stupid enough to enter a tent or house with a high entry fee, that is your loss. I will not shed a tear.
#6a) I certainly hope that whatever LOS bugs will be fixed. Hopefully very soon. I also despise all AFK grinders, whether they are jedi or not, whether they are grinding xp or loot. There is an exception to this rule that I make for entertainers. As their system of gaining xp is so incredibly lame, I'm surprised there are any entertainers in the game at all.
#6b) "This is for any Jedi that happen to be reading this. Fight the BH." Why? There is no reason for me to fight and risk losing xp. Your opinion is that the xp is easy to gain, I disagree (as I am not an AFK grinder). There is no reward for me if I defeat and kill a BH, currently. I will not get paid. I won't even get the satisfaction of causing someone who attacks me to be set back in any substantial way, as I would be if I lost. I consider all BHs hunting me to be enemies, and I will not aid them in their pursuit. Until one of 3 things happen, I will always avoid fighting any BH that comes after me.
i. I have achieved my template and don't need to worry about xp loss
II. I receive some sort of reward for defeating the BH. Even this will be greatly weighed against possible XP loss.
III. The BH receives an equal punishment for losing that I receive.
If BHs are upset that their marks are constantly running into safe houses and the like, then I suggest that they talk to the devs. As long as the devs do not give an incentive for jedi to actually fight the BHs,you will continue to see the majority of jedis running from BHs.
This is a a reply I honestly expected sooner, as I have had this debate with various guys I know with Jedi. Simply put, fight them because you can and should win the majority of the time if you pay attention to your surroundings and fight to your strengths. I have never, nor will I ever grind AFK. What is the point in playing a game if you are not actually there? Leveling in a cave/the Trails et al. is the biggest mistake a Jedi makes. There is no cover other than the buggy LOS areas, and using these is not only weak, it is cheating.
Level in the wild, on planets that have lots of NPC's. The huge pirate compounds that spring up on Talus, the random Imp bases on Dant, the stationary Gungan stone compounds on Naboo, etc. and so on are perfect areas to go to if you are being hit by a BH. You are still attackable, but they have to get in your range to do it. If your on Dant or Dath get behind a tree. If they want to get you make them come close to do it. Running away just gives a BH the chance to hit the right combo that takes you out. I prefer to wait on my hall roof just because neither of us can leave once we start. It's still possible to kite me there, but you'd best know what you are doing.
Your incentive? The same as a typical BH. The fact that you won. I am currently 10-4 in Bh encounters as a Jedi. I am negative right now because I trained a new skill and brought my points down to near 0. A BH came calling and I fought and lost. Big deal. I fought him to the best of my ability and he won. The guy even rezzed me after the fact cause I hate the long trip back from the shrine. My mission gave him enough Invest exp to get MBH, and I was honestly happy for him. That grind is a hard one. /salute Jofish
Stop thinking of this as a race and view it as the fun that it should be. The first full template is already done x 1000000. What's the rush for us late comers? We have been given an amazing playground. Let's stop throwing sand in each others faces and just enjoy the trip.
Message Edited by WarSmurf on 07-14-2005 05:59 PM
WarSmurf wrote:
This is a a reply I honestly expected sooner, as I have had this debate with various guys I know with Jedi. Simply put, fight them because you can and should win the majority of the time if you pay attention to your surroundings and fight to your strengths. I have never, nor will I ever grind AFK. What is the point in playing a game if you are not actually there? Leveling in a cave/the Trails et al. is the biggest mistake a Jedi makes. There is no cover other than the buggy LOS areas, and using these is not only weak, it is cheating.
I agree completely with this statement. I was recently invited to a group to get xp on the trails. I spent maybe a half hour there, bored out of my mind. I will not go back. Not if you offered me quadruple the xp.
Level in the wild, on planets that have lots of NPC's. The huge pirate compounds that spring up on Talus, the random Imp bases on Dant, the stationary Gungan stone compounds on Naboo, etc. and so on are perfect areas to go to if you are being hit by a BH. You are still attackable, but they have to get in your range to do it. If your on Dant or Dath get behind a tree. If they want to get you make them come close to do it. Running away just gives a BH the chance to hit the right combo that takes you out. I prefer to wait on my hall roof just because neither of us can leave once we start. It's still possible to kite me there, but you'd best know what you are doing.
Your incentive? The same as a typical BH. The fact that you won. I am currently 10-4 in Bh encounters as a Jedi. I am negative right now because I trained a new skill and brought my points down to near 0. A BH came calling and I fought and lost. Big deal. I fought him to the best of my ability and he won. The guy even rezzed me after the fact cause I hate the long trip back from the shrine. My mission gave him enough Invest exp to get MBH, and I was honestly happy for him. That grind is a hard one. /salute Jofish
Stop thinking of this as a race and view it as the fun that it should be. The first full template is already done x 1000000. What's the rush for us late comers? We have been given an amazing playground. Let's stop throwing sand in each others faces and just enjoy the trip.
See below for my opinion on the rest of the statements. Let me say that it is apparent that you and I have a different view of what is fun.
Greywulf0 wrote:
WarSmurf wrote:
This is a a reply I honestly expected sooner, as I have had this debate with various guys I know with Jedi. Simply put, fight them because you can and should win the majority of the time if you pay attention to your surroundings and fight to your strengths. I have never, nor will I ever grind AFK. What is the point in playing a game if you are not actually there? Leveling in a cave/the Trails et al. is the biggest mistake a Jedi makes. There is no cover other than the buggy LOS areas, and using these is not only weak, it is cheating.
I agree completely with this statement. I was recently invited to a group to get xp on the trails. I spent maybe a half hour there, bored out of my mind. I will not go back. Not if you offered me quadruple the xp.
Level in the wild, on planets that have lots of NPC's. The huge pirate compounds that spring up on Talus, the random Imp bases on Dant, the stationary Gungan stone compounds on Naboo, etc. and so on are perfect areas to go to if you are being hit by a BH. You are still attackable, but they have to get in your range to do it. If your on Dant or Dath get behind a tree. If they want to get you make them come close to do it. Running away just gives a BH the chance to hit the right combo that takes you out. I prefer to wait on my hall roof just because neither of us can leave once we start. It's still possible to kite me there, but you'd best know what you are doing.
Your incentive? The same as a typical BH. The fact that you won. I am currently 10-4 in Bh encounters as a Jedi. I am negative right now because I trained a new skill and brought my points down to near 0. A BH came calling and I fought and lost. Big deal. I fought him to the best of my ability and he won. The guy even rezzed me after the fact cause I hate the long trip back from the shrine. My mission gave him enough Invest exp to get MBH, and I was honestly happy for him. That grind is a hard one. /salute Jofish
Stop thinking of this as a race and view it as the fun that it should be. The first full template is already done x 1000000. What's the rush for us late comers? We have been given an amazing playground. Let's stop throwing sand in each others faces and just enjoy the trip.
See below for my opinion on the rest of the statements. Let me say that it is apparent that you and I have a different view of what is fun.
For some reason, everyone seems to think that all jedis are interested in PvP. I am not. If I was interested in PvP, I would play another game, one where the skill of the player, and not the skills of the character will play a more important role. I'm not complaining about being hunted, as I have enjoyed leading BHs on a merry chase before. And please don't use thattired old line of "I chose this profession knowing the risks"because I do know the risks and accept them.
This is not a race for me. It has taken me over a year to become jedi, and I only recently did so.
My incentive to fight is so that I can win? Big deal. This means nothing to me, and to a large group of other players. If there is a reason to fight, and risk the xp that takes me hours to collect, then I will. Until that day comes, I will use all the skills I can to avoid fighting any BHs. I keep aware of my surroundings, and I use them to distance myself from BHs.
Last night, I led a determined BH on roughly a 4km trip on Naboo. I kept skimming past obstacles so that if he wasn't careful, he would be caught up in it. I gradually increased the distance between him and myself to allow me access to a shuttle. Then I spent the next half hour jumping to different planets and waiting a few minutes before jumping again. Eventually I got tired and decided to head to my city and wait for the BH to show up.
Of course, I city banned him. Then, sinceit was late and I was tired,I logged out.
As I said, there is no incentive for me to fight. I get no xp for winning. I get no creds, and honestly creds aren't of interest to me. I feel no need to prove myself in combat, if I did, I would not have spent the better portion of my time on SWG as a ranger. Instead, all I get for winning a fight with a BH is that I don't lose xp. As far as I'm concerned, I won the encounter.
I think that BHs should hope that Jedi will be rewarded for defeating BHs. If this ever happens, I probably won't run from the next BH. If you truly want jedis to fight, I would encourage you to ask the devs to give us a reason to fight.
Well that certainly is fair in theory. (though having a reason to fight is a big problem with the GCW as a whole, not just the Jedi vs BH)
However the BH is meant to be the reason Jedi's practice avoidance, why visibility is bad. If somone one is on the lam, and they manage to get the drop on their hunter, the only reward they should expect to get is that they didnt get killed and they stopped thast particular hunter. So yes the Jedi will run, especially when outed in public because all he will get is more visibility and more BH's chasing him. The reward system here is simple..BH is rewarded if he kills the Jedi..Jedi is rewarded with their life if the BH fails. If BH fails, he loses time and money spent, along with item decay and loses the payout, if the Jedi dies he loses some XP and gets some item decay (if he didnt clone)
If I were a Jedi, no way would I let a BH engage me in public and get me to create even more visibility. I think I would do exactly what you described and I would lead the BH to someplace to fight on my terms, not his. Its very practical. and you make a salient point..what is in it for a JEdi to stay and fight? He has much more to lose than he stands to win..a win only means he lives.
Back in the days of the TEF and Overt, I went Overt Rebel all the time and you know the same logic for survival applies (and that was more dangerous because it was easy to suddenly have 20 players shooting at you, far more dangerous than the current Jedi/BH fights). I learned early on to watch my back while I had a TEF and the terminal gankers were always around and I had Imperial players stalk me from town to town like they were BHs (had a Imp commando follow me across 4 towns hoping to catch me with a TEF up, and he did)
I also learned early on to be aware of what was going on around me (I used to fight with a spray stick until I noticed I was getting all kinds of weird attention from BH's , they thought it was a light saber I later found)
Greywulf0 wrote:
WarSmurf wrote:
This is a a reply I honestly expected sooner, as I have had this debate with various guys I know with Jedi. Simply put, fight them because you can and should win the majority of the time if you pay attention to your surroundings and fight to your strengths. I have never, nor will I ever grind AFK. What is the point in playing a game if you are not actually there? Leveling in a cave/the Trails et al. is the biggest mistake a Jedi makes. There is no cover other than the buggy LOS areas, and using these is not only weak, it is cheating.
I agree completely with this statement. I was recently invited to a group to get xp on the trails. I spent maybe a half hour there, bored out of my mind. I will not go back. Not if you offered me quadruple the xp.
Level in the wild, on planets that have lots of NPC's. The huge pirate compounds that spring up on Talus, the random Imp bases on Dant, the stationary Gungan stone compounds on Naboo, etc. and so on are perfect areas to go to if you are being hit by a BH. You are still attackable, but they have to get in your range to do it. If your on Dant or Dath get behind a tree. If they want to get you make them come close to do it. Running away just gives a BH the chance to hit the right combo that takes you out. I prefer to wait on my hall roof just because neither of us can leave once we start. It's still possible to kite me there, but you'd best know what you are doing.
Your incentive? The same as a typical BH. The fact that you won. I am currently 10-4 in Bh encounters as a Jedi. I am negative right now because I trained a new skill and brought my points down to near 0. A BH came calling and I fought and lost. Big deal. I fought him to the best of my ability and he won. The guy even rezzed me after the fact cause I hate the long trip back from the shrine. My mission gave him enough Invest exp to get MBH, and I was honestly happy for him. That grind is a hard one. /salute Jofish
Stop thinking of this as a race and view it as the fun that it should be. The first full template is already done x 1000000. What's the rush for us late comers? We have been given an amazing playground. Let's stop throwing sand in each others faces and just enjoy the trip.
See below for my opinion on the rest of the statements. Let me say that it is apparent that you and I have a different view of what is fun.
For some reason, everyone seems to think that all jedis are interested in PvP. I am not. If I was interested in PvP, I would play another game, one where the skill of the player, and not the skills of the character will play a more important role. I'm not complaining about being hunted, as I have enjoyed leading BHs on a merry chase before. And please don't use thattired old line of "I chose this profession knowing the risks"because I do know the risks and accept them.
This is not a race for me. It has taken me over a year to become jedi, and I only recently did so.
My incentive to fight is so that I can win? Big deal. This means nothing to me, and to a large group of other players. If there is a reason to fight, and risk the xp that takes me hours to collect, then I will. Until that day comes, I will use all the skills I can to avoid fighting any BHs. I keep aware of my surroundings, and I use them to distance myself from BHs.
Last night, I led a determined BH on roughly a 4km trip on Naboo. I kept skimming past obstacles so that if he wasn't careful, he would be caught up in it. I gradually increased the distance between him and myself to allow me access to a shuttle. Then I spent the next half hour jumping to different planets and waiting a few minutes before jumping again. Eventually I got tired and decided to head to my city and wait for the BH to show up.
Of course, I city banned him. Then, sinceit was late and I was tired,I logged out.
As I said, there is no incentive for me to fight. I get no xp for winning. I get no creds, and honestly creds aren't of interest to me. I feel no need to prove myself in combat, if I did, I would not have spent the better portion of my time on SWG as a ranger. Instead, all I get for winning a fight with a BH is that I don't lose xp. As far as I'm concerned, I won the encounter.
I think that BHs should hope that Jedi will be rewarded for defeating BHs. If this ever happens, I probably won't run from the next BH. If you truly want jedis to fight, I would encourage you to ask the devs to give us a reason to fight.
Well stated and reasonable. As a former Ranger I can see why your perspective is the way it is, but I freely admit to being a former BH. I personally would have no skill at running and avoidence, not do I have the temperment for it. Understand this though: It is not about honor or breastbeating for me. I am merely realistic. Those BH that have no clue can and do die in our encounters. Those Bh that know what they are doing will get you into a combat situation whether you want it or not. I specifically mentioned getaways in my original post. If you do it within the confines of intended game mechanics then I think it's great that you get away. My ire is directed at those that use bugs to survive.
In the case of bug users, you seemed to miss what I intended to impart. An intelligent BH that knows his craft will get you into a combat situation eventually. If he does then fight him. Don't use bugs/exploits to escape. Fight the BH if you have no choice, Use you surroundings to your advantage., but do not cheat to win. If I could port to avoid a fight I would, but my city has no port, nor will it ever have one. I tend to planet hope at least once an hour, so a small bit of avoidence is done. The fact is, sooner of later you get cornered and have no choice. The day I allow a BH to keep me in a house for an hour to avoid a fight is the day I leave this game.
If a Jedi really and truly wants to level at ease with no BH attacks he merely needs to visit the Avatar Platform. No timer, no BH, no death penalty, and droids come back as in space, not as on Kash. This removes any chance of Port camping for you on Kash. This is only one of many private instances available to grind in. Most just seem to want to do it with no effort.
Message Edited by WarSmurf on 07-14-2005 07:17 PM
WarSmurf wrote:
Well stated and reasonable. As a former Ranger I can see why your perspective is the way it is, but I freely admit to being a former BH. I personally would have no skill at running and avoidence, not do I have the temperment for it. Understand this though: It is not about honor or breastbeating for me. I am merely realistic. Those BH that have no clue can and do die in our encounters. Those Bh that know what they are doing will get you into a combat situation whether you want it or not. I specifically mentioned getaways in my original post. If you do it within the confines of intended game mechanics then I think it's great that you get away. My ire is directed at those that use bugs to survive.
Heh. I would hold no permanent grudge against any BH that catches me off guard (as long as I don't have to listen to a bunch of crowing afterwards).
In the case of bug users, you seemed to miss what I intended to impart. An intelligent BH that knows his craft will get you into a combat situation eventually. If he does then fight him. Don't use bugs/exploits to escape. Fight the BH if you have no choice, Use you surroundings to your advantage., but do not cheat to win. If I could port to avoid a fight I would, but my city has no port, nor will it ever have one. I tend to planet hope at least once an hour, so a small bit of avoidence is done. The fact is, sooner of later you get cornered and have no choice. The day I allow a BH to keep me in a house for an hour to avoid a fight is the day I leave this game.
I didn't miss the point about bug users. I just don't care about those players. I once read a post about a jedi that went down to the trails and found a bunch of AFK grinders. He then trained a bunch of wookies on them and caused their deaths. Then after he was done grinding, spotted that they were at the spawn point, still AFKand proceeded with contacting some BHs he knows. As far as I am concerned, they got what they deserved. And I truly hope that the devs will fix these horrendous bugs that allow AFK grinding to continue.
If a Jedi really and truly wants to level at ease with no BH attacks he merely needs to visit the Avatar Platform. No timer, no BH, no death penalty, and droids come back as in space, not as on Kash. This removes any chance of Port camping for you on Kash. This is only one of many private instances available to grind in. Most just seem to want to do it with no effort.
Heh. That's the place I go. The opponents are tough and many. Good loot and quests there. The only saving grace to the travesty of an expansion that RotW was (besides killing necrosis). However, the droids apparently don't say you are in space. A guild member got a tell from a BH that said when he found him on Kash he would regret it, the guild member was with me on the Avatar at the time.
Message Edited by WarSmurf on 07-14-2005 07:17 PM