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If you look at it right, Seeker droids DO detect Jedi, to the extent that they are meant to, which is to say they tell you WHERE your target is, not WHAT your target is... Seeker droids are JUST as the name implies... SEEKERS, meaning they seek their targets bio signatureout to locate the targets location, and they do just that.... but they are not DETECTORS, meaning they do not detect the TYPE of bio signature they are seeking.

If a seeker doesn't work on cloaked Jedi, you'd get a "target is not online" messege if the Jedi is cloaked when you send out a seeker.

Message Edited by Dlek_Krego on 09-20-2005 02:12 PM

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Darka-ce wrote:
Okay,
I'll respond and Hay, please don't take thing the wrong way. If this would be the case and seekers could uncloak Jedi, coupled with the new cloak rules, they might as well remove cloak as a skill altogether. It would have no practical purpose whatsoever and be reduced to a simple parlor trick that just happens to cost 28 skill points and enough XP that a non Jedi could grind more than 3 entire master elite professions, or BH/MCM 1.5 times.

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Haywood wrote:

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Darka-ce wrote:
Okay,
I'll respond and Hay, please don't take thing the wrong way. If this would be the case and seekers could uncloak Jedi, coupled with the new cloak rules, they might as well remove cloak as a skill altogether. It would have no practical purpose whatsoever and be reduced to a simple parlor trick that just happens to cost 28 skill points and enough XP that a non Jedi could grind more than 3 entire master elite professions, or BH/MCM 1.5 times.

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Darka-ce, I completly understand your point. I just want to make sure of one thing. If the ranger profession has a mechanical device that uses a bio signature to find and uncloak a jedi then our seeker driods should do the exact same thing. That is all.

I also do think that cloak should not stop you from being hunted, your jedi mind trick should not work on every species 100% of the time. If I know that you are there and I know that I am hunting a Jedi that should help me try and break the MIND TRICK.

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i can'tfind anything that said this

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Haywood wrote:

As posted by Helios_SOE

Abilities

Camo & Stealth

• Question: Will our counter-camo skills be able to detect Jedi and Rifleman under concealment and cloak?
• Answer: Jedi Force Cloak is a mind trick so we cannot detect that, however jedi cannot mind trick machines and therefore our motion detectors can detect them. Riflemen are not personal concealment experts so they will be open to exposure from tracking Rangers.

Currently, that is correct.

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This was just posted in the Ranger forum by a DEV. My question is why can a Ranger Motion Dector detect a cloaked jedi and break their CLOAK but our seeker droids that can detect a Jedi cannot?

I think this will deserve a look.

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Why can't my saber cut your limbs off?

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Qwad wrote:

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Haywood wrote:

As posted by Helios_SOE

Abilities

Camo & Stealth

• Question: Will our counter-camo skills be able to detect Jedi and Rifleman under concealment and cloak?


• Answer: Jedi Force Cloak is a mind trick so we cannot detect that, however jedi cannot mind trick machines and therefore our motion detectors can detect them. Riflemen are not personal concealment experts so they will be open to exposure from tracking Rangers.

Currently, that is correct.

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This was just posted in the Ranger forum by a DEV. My question is why can a Ranger Motion Dector detect a cloaked jedi and break their CLOAK but our seeker droids that can detect a Jedi cannot?

I think this will deserve a look.

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Why can't my saber cut your limbs off?

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it still does not say anything about uncloak just detect, Seekers detect to so what.

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blademaster30 wrote:

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Haywood wrote:

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Darka-ce wrote:
Okay,
I'll respond and Hay, please don't take thing the wrong way. If this would be the case and seekers could uncloak Jedi, coupled with the new cloak rules, they might as well remove cloak as a skill altogether. It would have no practical purpose whatsoever and be reduced to a simple parlor trick that just happens to cost 28 skill points and enough XP that a non Jedi could grind more than 3 entire master elite professions, or BH/MCM 1.5 times.

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Darka-ce, I completly understand your point. I just want to make sure of one thing. If the ranger profession has a mechanical device that uses a bio signature to find and uncloak a jedi then our seeker driods should do the exact same thing. That is all.

I also do think that cloak should not stop you from being hunted, your jedi mind trick should not work on every species 100% of the time. If I know that you are there and I know that I am hunting a Jedi that should help me try and break the MIND TRICK.

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i can'tfind anything that said this

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Please read what I wrote. I said IF, IF THE RANGER CAN FIND AND UNCLOAK A JEDI then our seeker should do the same thing.

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Qwad wrote:

Why can't my saber cut your limbs off?

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Haywood wrote:

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Qwad wrote:

Why can't my saber cut your limbs off?

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I will tell you what QWAD, if you want to follow canon then your lightsaber will be a one hit kill. But since we are going to follow canon please delete your jedi and your lightsaber since there are no Jedi except Vader, Yoda, Luke and the Emperor. Thanks for posting.

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Who said I wanted canon? Thank you for thanking me for posting.

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JoBoFedderish wrote:
See nastypoop is the typical jeedai thats has to flame a valid point. It would make since that if a seeker can spot a jeedai under cloak it would also disrupt the cloaked jeedai....but its also a valid point this would alert the jeedai that he is being tracked leading to FR3/house/log so its a valid point but I dont think it would work out in our favor....

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A seeker(mechanical) can see the cloaked Jedi, The BH (biological being with a brain and therefor subject to the Mind Trick) can not and only see where the seeker is telling him or her to look. Now the motion detector doesn't make sense using this argument as yes you would know something triggered the sensor but again would be subject to the mind trick and not see anything.

That said I just play by the rules, I don't make them.

Hello again Haywood,
I agree with you inasmuch as Cloak is essentially a "mind trick" and doesn't work on droids. Bear in mind however, that when you arrive at the location OF the cloaked Jedi, your droid is telling you that he/she is there and you do not "see" them. This is where the "mind trick" part comes into play. Your droid is functioning correctly by locating the Jedi but your mind is telling you that I am not there.

As for Rangers having an ability to uncloak a Jedi thru motion detectors, I disagree with that. That should also follow a similar rule set. The detectors are telling the Ranger that someone is there, but the Jedi Mind trick should tell their mind that no one is there. Kinda get where I am going? It's not like the motion sensors or the seeker droids are spraying the target with luminescent paint. In both cases, the machines are working properly and informing their masters that someone is present. In BOTH cases, the Jedi Mind trick should function as intended and fool you into believing that we aren't.

Message Edited by Darka-ce on 09-20-2005 10:30 PM

Very true...technically our droids still detect cloaked Jedi. We may be reading a bit into this.

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Haywood wrote:

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blademaster30 wrote:

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Haywood wrote:

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Darka-ce wrote:
Okay,
I'll respond and Hay, please don't take thing the wrong way. If this would be the case and seekers could uncloak Jedi, coupled with the new cloak rules, they might as well remove cloak as a skill altogether. It would have no practical purpose whatsoever and be reduced to a simple parlor trick that just happens to cost 28 skill points and enough XP that a non Jedi could grind more than 3 entire master elite professions, or BH/MCM 1.5 times.

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Darka-ce, I completly understand your point. I just want to make sure of one thing. If the ranger profession has a mechanical device that uses a bio signature to find and uncloak a jedi then our seeker driods should do the exact same thing. That is all.

I also do think that cloak should not stop you from being hunted, your jedi mind trick should not work on every species 100% of the time. If I know that you are there and I know that I am hunting a Jedi that should help me try and break the MIND TRICK.

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i can'tfind anything that said this

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Please read what I wrote. I said IF, IF THE RANGER CAN FIND AND UNCLOAK A JEDI then our seeker should do the same thing.

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IF ???

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Haywood wrote:
"This was just posted in the Ranger forum by a DEV. My question is why can a Ranger Motion Dector detect a cloaked jedi and break their CLOAK but our seeker droids that can detect a Jedi cannot?

I think this will deserve a look."

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the point is Ranger Cannot FIND AND UNCLOAK A JEDI so neather can a seeker.

Message Edited by blademaster30 on 09-21-200509:37 AM

Message Edited by blademaster30 on 09-21-200509:39 AM

Message Edited by blademaster30 on 09-21-2005 09:39 AM

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blademaster30 wrote:

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Haywood wrote:

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blademaster30 wrote:

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Haywood wrote:

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Darka-ce wrote:
Okay,
I'll respond and Hay, please don't take thing the wrong way. If this would be the case and seekers could uncloak Jedi, coupled with the new cloak rules, they might as well remove cloak as a skill altogether. It would have no practical purpose whatsoever and be reduced to a simple parlor trick that just happens to cost 28 skill points and enough XP that a non Jedi could grind more than 3 entire master elite professions, or BH/MCM 1.5 times.

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Darka-ce, I completly understand your point. I just want to make sure of one thing. If the ranger profession has a mechanical device that uses a bio signature to find and uncloak a jedi then our seeker driods should do the exact same thing. That is all.

I also do think that cloak should not stop you from being hunted, your jedi mind trick should not work on every species 100% of the time. If I know that you are there and I know that I am hunting a Jedi that should help me try and break the MIND TRICK.

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i can'tfind anything that said this

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Please read what I wrote. I said IF, IF THE RANGER CAN FIND AND UNCLOAK A JEDI then our seeker should do the same thing.

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IF ???

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Haywood wrote:
"This was just posted in the Ranger forum by a DEV. My question is why can a Ranger Motion Dector detect a cloaked jedi and break their CLOAK but our seeker droids that can detect a Jedi cannot?

I think this will deserve a look."

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the point is Ranger Cannot FIND AND UNCLOAK A JEDI so neather can a seeker.

Message Edited by blademaster30 on 09-21-200509:37 AM

Message Edited by blademaster30 on 09-21-200509:39 AM

Message Edited by blademaster30 on 09-21-2005 09:39 AM

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As of right now we do not know if they can or can not. WHen I first posted I believed that the ranger will be able to detect and decloak a jedi, I am not so sure now. In my follow on statement I clarified and said that IF a ranger can detect and unlcoak a jedi then my Seeker should be able to do the same. Sorry for the confusion.