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Thread: BHs WILL be able to track Jedi on Mustafar!!!

callahan44
Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:43 am
#14


Blame SOE for creating a 'Themepark' rather than a proper planet, basically squeezing content into small areas.


1)Uses a really dated, nasty, corridor/valley and open area concept.
2)Saves a huge amount of time populating objects/npcs/quests.
3)Creates laggy areas where content is concentrated.
4)Can create unique landscapes, butdont work well with game mechanics, ie. falling off.
5)Used to slow down progression and play by their rules, ie. no mounts/vehicles in some areas.
6)Cheap...


Each area in ROTW has its own coordinate system for waypoints, ie.


dead_forest
hunting_grounds
ryatt_trials_instance->high_grounds
ryatt_trials_instance->shadowed_lands


If they code droids, to return what instance/area your mark is in, then maybe you'll be to track them.
Don't hold your breathe that they'd change the development process, just to allow one profession to hunt another.


They've said Mustafar will be like ROTW, but supposedly not feel as claustrophobic.


Since 3D artists don't fix bugs (just model/texture/animate content) and don't get paid for sitting on their arses,
its likely they've been working on this since the day ROTW was finished..


I can't see Mustafar being any different to ROTW, and we'll all queue up for the next 'Ride'...



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_Apache
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:10 am
#15






Ulrek_Oden wrote:
"Bounty Hunters will be able to track their targets to Mustafar"

The quote says TO Mustafar not ON Mustafar.... BIIIIIGGGGG difference...

Right now we can track marks TO Kash.....

Get the picture...





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WookieOgre
Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:42 am
#16






Everitt_Cage wrote:

From today's Stratics House of Commons chat transcript:


"[17:47] *Anon4881* Many Bounty Hunters expressed concern with Revenge of the Wookiees, as Jedi targets could not be tracked via conventional means whilst on Kashyyk. Will Bounty Hunters be able to track Jedi marks on Mustafar using their seeker droids?

[17:47] *Anon4881* Bounty Hunters will be able to track their targets to Mustafar."





I hate to nit pick but the way the question was answered means it will work exactly like Kash. You can track a Jedi to Mustafar but not track a Jedi on Mustafar.


If you think devs can make mistakes with their wording, sure but more times than not these answers are carefully worded so it doesn't come back to bite them in the @ss.


griffstar
Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:42 am
#17






Everitt_Cage wrote:

From today's Stratics House of Commons chat transcript:


"[17:47] *Anon4881* Many Bounty Hunters expressed concern with Revenge of the Wookiees, as Jedi targets could not be tracked via conventional means whilst on Kashyyk. Will Bounty Hunters be able to track Jedi marks on Mustafar using their seeker droids?

[17:47] *Anon4881* Bounty Hunters will be able to track their targets to Mustafar."




thats the important part of the quote its says to doesnt say on




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Tripbacca
Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:44 am
#18

If its an instanced planet then no we wont be able to track with droids.... if its based on the free roam aspect of the normal planets then we will be able to track with droids... Its just too hard to code the droids to track through instances and would cause bugs
orlann
Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:55 am
#19

Some input from Tanks might be helpful, this wording game the Dev's play is terrible. Personally my main content is hunting Jedi (seeming as i run a BH guild). If i can't hunt Jedi on mustafar, and the fact added i can't do any JTL stuff there, then there's no point in myself or the majority of the guild buying the expansion. It also calls into question my loyalty to playing this game.


Regards





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Mystix17
Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:12 pm
#20






callahan44 wrote:


Blame SOE for creating a 'Themepark' rather than a proper planet, basically squeezing content into small areas.


1)Uses a really dated, nasty, corridor/valley and open area concept.
2)Saves a huge amount of time populating objects/npcs/quests.
3)Creates laggy areas where content is concentrated.
4)Can create unique landscapes, butdont work well with game mechanics, ie. falling off.
5)Used to slow down progression and play by their rules, ie. no mounts/vehicles in some areas.
6)Cheap...


Each area in ROTW has its own coordinate system for waypoints, ie.


dead_forest
hunting_grounds
ryatt_trials_instance->high_grounds
ryatt_trials_instance->shadowed_lands


If they code droids, to return what instance/area your mark is in, then maybe you'll be to track them.
Don't hold your breathe that they'd change the development process, just to allow one profession to hunt another.


They've said Mustafar will be like ROTW, but supposedly not feel as claustrophobic.


Since 3D artists don't fix bugs (just model/texture/animate content) and don't get paid for sitting on their arses,
its likely they've been working on this since the day ROTW was finished..


I can't see Mustafar being any different to ROTW, and we'll all queue up for the next 'Ride'...



(a lead 3D artist in a games company, 6 years)


well-doya, ex-smuggler/pistoleer
feel-lucky, 12pt weaponsmith/merchant





This sounds reasonable. I have always thought it could be done this way but just thought that Dev's were busy with other things. There are a lot of things they work on, and they get paid to make the tough decision which things get worked on and their priority. Hopefully something like this is added soon
Meplorium
Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:31 pm
#21

The issue is the customer either playing jedi or non-jedi is there for the content they paid for, not to be hunted by BHes. If they are unable to gain access to that content due to another game mechanic, then LA has to issue a refund or fix the problem. In the case of Kash, they fixed the problem. Mustafar will have to be the same way. A more simple and better solution is to remove Jedi marks from the game entirely and have player bounties be an opt-in service any player reguardless of profession can choose to be a part of. Then if there are BH/BH mark fights on any new content world, it isn't an issue asboth players choose to pvp there much like declaring overt status.



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blademaster30
Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:55 pm
#22






griffstar wrote:





Everitt_Cage wrote:

From today's Stratics House of Commons chat transcript:


"[17:47] *Anon4881* Many Bounty Hunters expressed concern with Revenge of the Wookiees, as Jedi targets could not be tracked via conventional means whilst on Kashyyk. Will Bounty Hunters be able to track Jedi marks on Mustafar using their seeker droids?

[17:47] *Anon4881* Bounty Hunters will be able to track their targets to Mustafar."




thats the important part of the quote its says to doesnt say on






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_Apache
Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:58 pm
#23






Meplorium wrote:
The issue is the customer either playing jedi or non-jedi is there for the content they paid for, not to be hunted by BHes. If they are unable to gain access to that content due to another game mechanic, then LA has to issue a refund or fix the problem. In the case of Kash, they fixed the problem. Mustafar will have to be the same way. A more simple and better solution is to remove Jedi marks from the game entirely and have player bounties be an opt-in service any player reguardless of profession can choose to be a part of. Then if there are BH/BH mark fights on any new content world, it isn't an issue asboth players choose to pvp there much like declaring overt status.





Let me guess. Youre a Jedi?. Jedi say this kind of thing alot. The thing is, Jedi fully knew that if they gain enough Vis, then they would be subject to being hunted by BH. It is no secret, and has been this way for a long time.


As far as this Trials of Obi-Wan thing goes, I wasnt going to buy it anyway. I had already fully expected that it was going to be a expansion that had a large focus on Jedi anyway, and really dont want to have to go through another Kashyyk mess. Im willing to bet that there will be some other nice little grinding spot on this new planet that will protect the Jedi, and the Devs will take 4 months to get around to "fixing' it.


Paying for an Expansion that is mostly focused on Jedi with scrap content thrown to non-Jedi doesnt sound like anything I would want. I'd just be paying to give myself even more frustration. Ya, thay can keep thier Expansion. I'll be just as happy, and less frustrated without it.






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built2shred
Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:31 pm
#24

I have no problems in allowing Jedi to have fun on kashyaak. I would just like to see XP get turned off on that planet then. They get some peace and enjoy there jedi toons doing missions but can't not exploit the planet and grind to master in a week.


Seems fair all around


built2shred
Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:38 pm
#25


Meplorium wrote:
The issue is the customer either playing jedi or non-jedi is there for the content they paid for, not to be hunted by BHes. If they are unable to gain access to that content due to another game mechanic, then LA has to issue a refund or fix the problem





B.S.


EVERYONE knew that part of the jedi profession would be that youwould get hunted by Bounty HuntersPERIOD. Anyone who feels this is unfair is just wanting SOE to change the game to suit there personal play style. People who whine about this remind me of kids, you tell them dont touch the hot stove, but they do it anyways then cry about it.

Message Edited by built2shred on 09-22-2005 04:38 PM

Meplorium
Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:40 pm
#26






_Apache wrote:



Paying for an Expansion that is mostly focused on Jedi with scrap content thrown to non-Jedi doesnt sound like anything I would want. I'd just be paying to give myself even more frustration. Ya, thay can keep thier Expansion. I'll be just as happy, and less frustrated without it.







I have great reservation about buying mustafar as well. I don't have any personal interest in jedi quest rewards. At the same time I have to be fair and wait and see as I don't really know what the planet or mission will really be like. Speaking out against something when I simply have no clue isn't fair and makes myself look like a fool. It could offer some great non-jedi/non-combat content. I'm guessing no, but hoping to get into beta and see for myself if it is or isn't right for me.




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