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Thread: Jedi Exploit goes wrong: BH Kill story

Gillik
Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:57 am
#14

Personally, roots are lame. We already have something like that in the game. Itscalled dizzy/kd. Not too hard to use ya know.






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Shammroc
Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:11 am
#15


So Im a MBH/MRifles/CM4000...


I was in Cnet just hanging around in front of the starport late. Hardly nobody was around, so I was doing a little shopping for some rifles, and such. Out of nowhere I get a chellenge to a duel, so being a little bored I accepted. It wasnt untill after I accepted the duel did I realise that my "dueling partner" wasnt wearing any armor and carrying a rifle. After a few seconds into the fight I notice that it is more that a little hard to hurt this guy who is wearing no armor, and he had some nice healing going. Suddenly I come to the conclusion that this is a Jedi! And a pretty hard hitting Jedi with some good heals. But never fear. I also have some decent heals myself. So we fight it out there in the streets of Cnet, and I end up winning. Along with a nice little DB. Ofcourse the Jedi was far from happy, and a little upset. The cost of attempting to exploit, without knowing what the hell you are doing.


Apparently this Jedi thought that I might be a BH, and was attempting the "Duel" exploit, But didnt have it on a Macro, wich cost him his life.

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Maybe he was just bored as well and wanted to duel.
Shadow_Drgn
Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:21 am
#16






daetalus wrote:






Rebel_elite wrote:
If a jedi challenges a bounty hunter who has a their mission to a duel, then the duel request will not go through. This lets the jedi know which BH has their mission before the BH attacks.




Yep all this does is let the jedi know that you are there for them. Its not an exploit, b/c the reason for the coding was b/c of bh's using /duel then attacking the jedi forcing the jedi into a bugged Tef which they couldnt return fire. The bug was around for a while and most ppl put accept duel macros which they would use to counter the borked tef. All this FIX does is tell the group who the BH is after. The BH still has first strike, jus not the luxury being completely unknown. All it does for the jedi is let them know to stop tanking and watch the bh. If you are out to stop the evil bad jedi from completing his template by exp loss, jus stand there. They wont risk an agro then have you take them out as soon as they are agroed by the mobs therefore they lose exp. Some will find away around this, but for all those who are climbing the jedi ranks unnessessarily fast, they dont have the experiance to know when to stop and move on. They will jus continue grinding and make their mistake leading to their opening.





see yet again instead of FIXING the bug they just remove something in the game that could have been just fixed



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iWill
Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:24 am
#17


As a Jedi and a BH myself there is no way that he was trying the /duel exploit. This exploit was a BH exploit. If you by some chance had his mission then you could still attack. Anyways they fixed that exploit 2 patches ago. Sounds like the BH is the noob in this case and not the Jedi. .




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Kaukiji
Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:02 pm
#18



iWill wrote:
As a Jedi and a BH myself there is no way that he was trying the /duel exploit. This exploit was a BH exploit. If you by some chance had his mission then you could still attack. Anyways they fixed that exploit 2 patches ago. Sounds like the BH is the noob in this case and not the Jedi. .



and you quite obviously are a bigger noob because this is a different /duel exploit not the original BH duel exploit. please, read before you post



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deathjdstn32
Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:24 pm
#19

ok my template is master bh/master doc


now exploting a bug to your advantage is against the rules and conudct of the game



if you click rules under the side left menu and click policies community standars



you will find this if you scroll down



12. You will not exploit any bug in Star Wars Galaxies, and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug either directly or through public posting, to any other Sony Station member. You will promptly report such bugs via the /bug command in-game or by emailing [email protected]. Exploitable bugs include, but are not limited to bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits in-game.



Exploitation of bugs within the game will result in disciplinary action being taken against the account that may include official warnings, account suspensions, or account terminations depending on the severity or repetitiveness of these incidents which will be determined by a CSR and a CSR Supervisor. Multiple suspensions or account termination will result in the termination of all SOE game accounts.



I had a jedi do this on me the yesturday and i had it done before and i just ignored the rest because sometimes i accidently duel challenge the wrong person as well but this happen often and i never read about it and such and i been bh for a looooongtime so i send this jedi a tell asking him whats the deal with the duel challenge then end


his response was that he wanted to see if i had his mission. and i was like and how is a duel going to determine this and he explained to me the bug of this. Ok given that i left well alone as i did not have his mission but if i did i would of been pretty upset.



see we bh is upset because the purpose of first strike is because jedi is more powerfull then bh in alot of ways and thats why they gave bh first strike by having a bug that blows that is kinda stupid.



yes you jedi will argue this to the day this game goes offline to its final resting place but look you being jedi is a pvp profession simple as that if you did not want pvp then you should choose another profession.



you have 3 options as a jedi



option 1: quite drop jedi and stop whining when you die because i know with me before i kill 1 jedi i might lost to 5 knights before i get my 1 kill



option 2: stop fighting within 45m of people and you will not get on the terms



option 3: deal with it and have fun when you get supprised attack by a bh add some role play


its just a game but i get upset when someone uses a exploit like this to their advantage and do not tell me using the /addfriend thing is an exploit all it tells me is to waste my time with the mission or not instead of taking time wasting my droids going outside of a city etc.... it in no way lets me know where u are and such and most bh i know do not hunt their friends or guildmates but using the /duel takes the only advantage away from a bh.



see add some role play i remember going after a jedi and we did a little in game charactor thing going he was like who sent you after me and i said lorder vader by order 66 and he was like well you bh scum you will never take me alive muhahaha i said thats the plan now meet your maker and we faughter and i have macros always set up for last words right before i db him i said by the order of the empire and order 66 i have condemed this jedi to death. then i db him and he sent me a tell and told me even tho he lost xp he had fun with that.



so for you jedis killing and getting killed can be fun i had simuler role plays even on my death and i said well fight i had fun and move on its just a game but i do not like cheaters using exploits is the same as using cheat codes it takes an unfair advantage off another player and thats why SOE has a rule against it



next time someone uses the /duel exploit i am reporting them and i hope every bh does the same thing and everytime i report them i will remind the csr the exploit rule so they consider thier actions against the player when ever i see an exploit i report it and never use it and if i use it by accidently discover or unwilling i apoligize to the player(s) that it affected and tell them i am reporting it and reported i accidently used it.



Like i said i hope every bh reports it so some jedis that loves to cheat gets banned i know its mostly the ebay jedi and they deserv it see i am earning my jedi when i get it and i know alot of jedis earned their ranks as well even from pre-patch 9 with the hologrind all the way to the villiage grind the jedis will consist its a long road and for that i do have much respect for them i have 0 respect of the people that dished out 1500 bucks for a stupid online non tangable item that they cannot touch or hold lol man 1500 bucks can pay some nice bills or get me a nice computer upgrade lol hahahhahahahhaha stupid ebay jedis their the ones giving jedis a bad name

HanzoShinobi
Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:00 pm
#20



Kaukiji wrote:


iWill wrote:
As a Jedi and a BH myself there is no way that he was trying the /duel exploit. This exploit was a BH exploit. If you by some chance had his mission then you could still attack. Anyways they fixed that exploit 2 patches ago. Sounds like the BH is the noob in this case and not the Jedi. .



and you quite obviously are a bigger noob because this is a different /duel exploit not the original BH duel exploit. please, read before you post




no this method is possible because of the original bh /duel exploit. Its the reason it was put in.

And to the OP, it sounded like the jedi wasnt using the /duel bug, was just wanting a duel. He was putting up a fight and everyone knows about /endduel.

He was just angry about the DB after the duel.



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Gilbert45
Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:00 pm
#21






Rebel_elite wrote:
If a jedi challenges a bounty hunter who has a their mission to a duel, then the duel request will not go through. This lets the jedi know which BH has their mission before the BH attacks.




And?
isildurofwanderhome
Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:27 pm
#22

not realy an exploit then huh? and dbing in a duel is lame



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Chaind2f8
Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:09 pm
#23






Gillik wrote:
Personally, roots are lame. We already have something like that in the game. Itscalled dizzy/kd. Not too hard to use ya know.





Dizzy/KD no longer exists within this game so I'm not really sure what you're talking about there. If you're ever knocked down you can get up with a KD Recovery and it appears that Dizzy currently has absolutely no effect on your standing up after a KD.



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Chaind2f8
Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:14 pm
#24






LagSolo wrote:





SamousNemo wrote:





daetalus wrote:






Rebel_elite wrote:
If a jedi challenges a bounty hunter who has a their mission to a duel, then the duel request will not go through. This lets the jedi know which BH has their mission before the BH attacks.




Yep all this does is let the jedi know that you are there for them. Its not an exploit, b/c the reason for the coding was b/c of bh's using /duel then attacking the jedi forcing the jedi into a bugged Tef which they couldnt return fire. The bug was around for a while and most ppl put accept duel macros which they would use to counter the borked tef. All this FIX does is tell the group who the BH is after. The BH still has first strike, jus not the luxury being completely unknown. All it does for the jedi is let them know to stop tanking and watch the bh. If you are out to stop the evil bad jedi from completing his template by exp loss, jus stand there. They wont risk an agro then have you take them out as soon as they are agroed by the mobs therefore they lose exp. Some will find away around this, but for all those who are climbing the jedi ranks unnessessarily fast, they dont have the experiance to know when to stop and move on. They will jus continue grinding and make their mistake leading to their opening.





Here is the bug


Here is the advantage


Using a bug to your advantage (no matter how small) is called exploiting







You mean like roots not breaking on damage?...does that mean rooters are exploiting?...Oh Noes!!!


Thanks for pointing that out....about the bug/advantage/exploit thing.








Not all roots are supposed to break on damage so what exactly are you talking about here? The ones that I know are supposed to break on damage would be Paralysis and the Smugglers Mez shots but those specials now work as intended. If you're referring to the Pistoleer special Stopping Shot I hate to break it to you that this skill is not supposed to break on damage. Using the /duel command to determine if another player has your mission is not intended and using it to gain an advantage over your opponent (removing their surprise) can be interpreted as an exploit.



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Timmelle
Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:38 pm
#25






SamousNemo wrote:





daetalus wrote:






Rebel_elite wrote:
If a jedi challenges a bounty hunter who has a their mission to a duel, then the duel request will not go through. This lets the jedi know which BH has their mission before the BH attacks.




Yep all this does is let the jedi know that you are there for them. Its not an exploit, b/c the reason for the coding was b/c of bh's using /duel then attacking the jedi forcing the jedi into a bugged Tef which they couldnt return fire. The bug was around for a while and most ppl put accept duel macros which they would use to counter the borked tef. All this FIX does is tell the group who the BH is after. The BH still has first strike, jus not the luxury being completely unknown. All it does for the jedi is let them know to stop tanking and watch the bh. If you are out to stop the evil bad jedi from completing his template by exp loss, jus stand there. They wont risk an agro then have you take them out as soon as they are agroed by the mobs therefore they lose exp. Some will find away around this, but for all those who are climbing the jedi ranks unnessessarily fast, they dont have the experiance to know when to stop and move on. They will jus continue grinding and make their mistake leading to their opening.





Here is the bug


Here is the advantage


Using a bug to your advantage (no matter how small) is called exploiting







You all do know that this was implemented because of BH's using /duel to bug jedi and not allowing them to attack back. Don't be an hyprocrits.
Thondor
Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:50 pm
#26

***see we bh is upset because the purpose of first strike is because jedi is more powerfull then bh in alot of ways and thats why they gave bh first strike by having a bug that blows that is kinda stupid.



Hello...Hello? Is this mic on?? *static* ahh there we go.


So let me get this straight, a jedi is more powerful than a bh? Now are we talking ALL jedi or just the knights and masters, for who xp loss means absolutely nothing? The generalization that all jedi were created equal has led alot of you astray. The main reason why lower level jedi get bh'd more than masters and knights is BECAUSE its an EASY kill, another quick name to be added to the bh's kill list. You can all flame me on this all you like, but when i have a cl 80 bh, or 5 cl 80 bh's coming after my cl60 jedi then we know what it is they want, is it the paltry 150k bounty? hell no, they could make5 times that in the hour they were looking for me, killing anything else in the game. Is it to reduce jedi population in the game, again hell no. If this was true then the bh's would be jumping all over the 223k-250k bounties on the terms, and we know thats not happening, cause these are the jedi who are out in the open population.


The only way the statement above would beeven remotelyvalid would be if there was a single BH on any server, but who would want a cl54 BH? No one.



Thanks for your time, patience and understanding, and if i didn't get any of that, Then /shrug.


( i seem to have strayed a lil there, must have skipped into my rant mode teehee)




Thondor

Jedi Padawn of 8 months and still grinding.


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