Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Publish 19 Changes: Any Difference Yet???
warrenbassist
Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:30 am
#14
Philosofikal wrote:
Little kid? You have seriously be careful to who you call a kid. It is blatently obvious based upon your statement you may have a small undertone of uncertainty. I typically lower my communication efforts on these forums so many of the "kids" will understand. If you choose to call an individual a "little kid" that is your choice, however I really think that is reasonably a biased opinion based upon an uneducated life you have chosen.
Yes you are correct that you too may have weapons with elemental damage in them. Moreover, it is nice to see us getting back up to the point where we should be doing damage.
Message Edited by Philosofikal on 06-29-200509:20 AM
How about I have all people on the forums fill out a survey whenever I make a statement, how'd ya like that???
_Crash_
Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:33 am
#15
I am a FOTM bh with a 824 mod dps laser rifle, MRifle/MBH/CM 4000
When I logged in I saw a knight in the cantina he was MLS/0040/Defender with some healer and enhancer.
On the first duel I started off from range and took a parwan in attempts to kite. With forcerun 2 he quickly caught up with me, KD'd me, rooted. I was able to heal through the root but by the time the root was over he KD'd me again. I could not seem to get up this time and it was over pretty quick. The overall analysis is that LS seem to do substantially more damage. He only had to heal once so the heal timer did not come into play.
Second duel was pretty much like the first, I started off from a full 60mtook my parwan tried to kite, but it ended up much like the first battle. He was hitting for a little over 1000 every few seconds.
Next duel i started prone and he let me sniper shot him and go through my normal roll. I did a substantial amount of damage but he healed once and was full healed, by this time I was completely out of action. We ended the duel.
The I decided to test duelist stance with basic saber hits. Basic saber hits didnt do much damage at all with it on.
We started another duel and I asked him to let me turn on duelist stance and have him use his best attacks on me. I was easily able to heal through the damage until my mind wore out. Basically I was able to outheal his attack with duelist stance and healing WITHOUT using stimpacks.
On the last test I had him do an armor break followed by a power attack to see what he could hit for. The damage was not that much more than his normal attacks it seemed.
I was wearing 7k+ energy resist armor.
Analysis is that a master saber wielding jedi is much more powerful than before offensively, but with duelist stance and healing our healing and defenses are better. We will still run out of action before we can put a dent in most full templates and we will not have the ability to fight them and kite until their force drains becuase they do substantially more damage now. They will drain our minds through our own healing instead of us draining their force since they can do substatially more damage.
I think on the other hand that jedi who dont have master sabers might be at a disadvantage here, but I have not been able to test that. I will be looking for a master powers to play with next.
I know you guys want some raw numbers but I did this for my own testing and I am sure someone else will have some.
The guy basically said his saber "hits like a brick" now.
Killa-Kell-Krushin
Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:42 am
#16
_Crash_ wrote:I am a FOTM bh with a 824 mod dps laser rifle, MRifle/MBH/CM 4000When I logged in I saw a knight in the cantina he was MLS/0040/Defender with some healer and enhancer.On the first duel I started off from range and took a parwan in attempts to kite. With forcerun 2 he quickly caught up with me, KD'd me, rooted. I was able to heal through the root but by the time the root was over he KD'd me again. I could not seem to get up this time and it was over pretty quick. The overall analysis is that LS seem to do substantially more damage. He only had to heal once so the heal timer did not come into play.Second duel was pretty much like the first, I started off from a full 60m took my parwan tried to kite, but it ended up much like the first battle. He was hitting for a little over 1000 every few seconds.Next duel i started prone and he let me sniper shot him and go through my normal roll. I did a substantial amount of damage but he healed once and was full healed, by this time I was completely out of action. We ended the duel.The I decided to test duelist stance with basic saber hits. Basic saber hits didnt do much damage at all with it on.We started another duel and I asked him to let me turn on duelist stance and have him use his best attacks on me. I was easily able to heal through the damage until my mind wore out. Basically I was able to outheal his attack with duelist stance and healing WITHOUT using stimpacks.On the last test I had him do an armor break followed by a power attack to see what he could hit for. The damage was not that much more than his normal attacks it seemed.I was wearing 7k+ energy resist armor.Analysis is that a master saber wielding jedi is much more powerful than before offensively, but with duelist stance and healing our healing and defenses are better. We will still run out of action before we can put a dent in most full templates and we will not have the ability to fight them and kite until their force drains becuase they do substantially more damage now. They will drain our minds through our own healing instead of us draining their force since they can do substatially more damage.I think on the other hand that jedi who dont have master sabers might be at a disadvantage here, but I have not been able to test that. I will be looking for a master powers to play with next.I know you guys want some raw numbers but I did this for my own testing and I am sure someone else will have some.The guy basically said his saber "hits like a brick" now.
Not sure that I like the sound of that but thanks for the information none the less.
warrenbassist
Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:45 am
#17
Killa-Kell-Krushin wrote:
_Crash_ wrote:
I am a FOTM bh with a 824 mod dps laser rifle, MRifle/MBH/CM 4000
When I logged in I saw a knight in the cantina he was MLS/0040/Defender with some healer and enhancer.
On the first duel I started off from range and took a parwan in attempts to kite. With forcerun 2 he quickly caught up with me, KD'd me, rooted. I was able to heal through the root but by the time the root was over he KD'd me again. I could not seem to get up this time and it was over pretty quick. The overall analysis is that LS seem to do substantially more damage. He only had to heal once so the heal timer did not come into play.
Second duel was pretty much like the first, I started off from a full 60m took my parwan tried to kite, but it ended up much like the first battle. He was hitting for a little over 1000 every few seconds.
Next duel i started prone and he let me sniper shot him and go through my normal roll. I did a substantial amount of damage but he healed once and was full healed, by this time I was completely out of action. We ended the duel.
The I decided to test duelist stance with basic saber hits. Basic saber hits didnt do much damage at all with it on.
We started another duel and I asked him to let me turn on duelist stance and have him use his best attacks on me. I was easily able to heal through the damage until my mind wore out. Basically I was able to outheal his attack with duelist stance and healing WITHOUT using stimpacks.
On the last test I had him do an armor break followed by a power attack to see what he could hit for. The damage was not that much more than his normal attacks it seemed.
I was wearing 7k+ energy resist armor.
Analysis is that a master saber wielding jedi is much more powerful than before offensively, but with duelist stance and healing our healing and defenses are better. We will still run out of action before we can put a dent in most full templates and we will not have the ability to fight them and kite until their force drains becuase they do substantially more damage now. They will drain our minds through our own healing instead of us draining their force since they can do substatially more damage.
I think on the other hand that jedi who dont have master sabers might be at a disadvantage here, but I have not been able to test that. I will be looking for a master powers to play with next.
I know you guys want some raw numbers but I did this for my own testing and I am sure someone else will have some.
The guy basically said his saber "hits like a brick" now.
Not sure that I like the sound of that but thanks for the information none the less.
I had a feeling that the "nerfs" sounded too good to be true, oh well, thanks for the info though.
KyiasLightsun
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:03 am
#18
keep in mind guys that he tessted against a MLS Jedi here....
after the patch we could all see that MLS was getting some of the boosts it needed as a master box and taking away from the 0-4-0-4 FOTM.
Many Jedi have 0-4-0-4 and if that is the case then their saberthrow does not KD anymore (only the one at MLS does now...) so they need to be at melee to KD you...power attack has a warm-up timer so unless they rooted or snared it shouldn't be a huge problem...leaving them with only saber strike, and head hit as their 2 offensive attacks.
In some regards, Jedi have become stronger but in others they are weaker than ever....find the Jedi who have no defender or Force Armor....this means they only have the +20 innate armor from the innitiate box (+30 if they have novice defender).
Happy hunting!
after the patch we could all see that MLS was getting some of the boosts it needed as a master box and taking away from the 0-4-0-4 FOTM.
Many Jedi have 0-4-0-4 and if that is the case then their saberthrow does not KD anymore (only the one at MLS does now...) so they need to be at melee to KD you...power attack has a warm-up timer so unless they rooted or snared it shouldn't be a huge problem...leaving them with only saber strike, and head hit as their 2 offensive attacks.
In some regards, Jedi have become stronger but in others they are weaker than ever....find the Jedi who have no defender or Force Armor....this means they only have the +20 innate armor from the innitiate box (+30 if they have novice defender).
Happy hunting!
Virgo664
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:05 am
#19
I was able to play for only 15 minutes before work and before the login server went nuts but I think Duelest Stance did get the increase in defense. Did not get hit as hard as normal from a level 81 Fuamba.
SugarBuzz1
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:14 am
#20
Sounds to me that they made it so the fin temp Jedi can still do just fine but the lower level Jedi are going to be in for some pain. Maybe it isSOE way of making Jedi Happy on one end yet trying to control the population on the other end. imo
Jedi_Xan
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:16 am
#21
how does intimidate stack up with duelist stance? anyone have the template to test this.
need xx3x pistol for intimidate.
Jedi_Xan
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:28 am
#24
I use intimidate and it seems the only problem I have is getting it to stick. Using it as an opening shot or when the target is kd seems to stick the most.
Rezrider
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:49 am
#25
just curious, were u using foods/drinks and what foods/drinks were u using. other than parwan. 
_Crash_
Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:57 am
#26
Ok i just took on a master defender/msl with novice healer. I WON. Firstly I could not do any damage to them for the most part, but they ate up all of their mind bar trying to kill me, with savber attacks and only one heal. By using duelist stance, my cm abilities and parwan I was able to kite them until they ran out of mind trying tokill me.. I then started pouring on my damage attacks and incapped them. Now the person could have likely gotten away. Frankly I dont think mdefender/msabers novice healer is a very good template anymore. The fact that he did not have a root made all the difference in the world.
Message Edited by _Crash_ on 06-29-2005 11:03 AM