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Thread: Duel exploit still ruining it.

laodamas
Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:57 pm
#14

How long did it take to get /duel fixed when BH's were using it to they're advantage. The way /duel works now is a direct result of that bug, which required a lengthy time to repair, like most bugs in game.


Bugs that effect Jedi only don't get repaired any faster either, Jedi speed mods have been broken since curb went live. Bugs are fixed in a prioritized fashion, as deemed by the devs. Every profession in the game has bugs, dont pretend like Bounty Hunter is the only one.





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Mirthain
Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:16 pm
#15

And using a bug in an unintended fashion is called what? Exploiting.


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Chaind2f8
Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:32 pm
#16

The duel exploit is definitely a concern for BHs and does need to be fixed. While I go out of the way to ensure that I'm not suspected of hunting a particular Jedi the truth is there's always those Jedi out there that are EXTREMELY paranoid and will /duel anybody who shuttles into the same starport/shuttleport as them. Just today I was shuttling into a player city to drop off some Reinforced Casings and BAM two duel requests from two seperate Jedi just waiting by the shuttleport. There's also been many a time when I've recieved duel requests from cloaked Jedi who are staking out starports on Lok and Endor. What exactly am I supposed to do about that? I can shuttle in naked yet they still /duel me and since there's only one starport on Lok and a small handful on the other secluded planets the chances of me being discovered before I ever even know I'm in the presence of my target are significant.



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Nathanielstarr
Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:55 am
#17

I'm sick of these BH that say "use better tactics" about everything. We have a right to have this bug changed and we should stand together and get it fixed. Fact is if you can see a jedi then the jedi can see you and if they can see you they can do /duel. I don't know how you're supposed to study a mark if you cannot see the mark. I do not know how you are supposed to hit at the best moment if you cannot see the mark. Fact is is that there are jedi that do /duel to everyone that comes within 80 meters of them. Also Id like to point out I haven't lost to a jedi in a hunt in about 2 weeks now and I've killed about 12 in that time.....so my tactics are just fine. But an exploit is an exploit and it does affect our profession....some of the so called bounty hunters on this forum claim to be so knowledgeable when I have never seen them offer anything worth a crap themselves to these forums.


I'm starting to think that there are way too many BH alts of Jedi here.


jmonty
Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:05 am
#18






Eleutherios wrote:


Um, Jedi are suspicious of EVERYONE. Ever been in a grind group that had at least one Jedi in it? Or any sort of group with Jedi in it at all?


Every blue dot that comes by, the Jedi freaks out. If there are multiple Jedi, there's group hysteria. But you can't gear up for each and every blue dot that comes by. Yeah, some might be BHs, but maybe 1 out of 50 actually are there for you. However, the /duel exploit eliminates the guessing. This is the problem.




that reminds me of when my pilots take uh-60 over a herd of sheep and they all just tear butt out of there, leaving a dust storm. every time i see that, i think, 'moooo, moooooo MOOOOOO, MOOOOOOO!' (like when cows panic).


stampeding jedi, lol!

Message Edited by jmonty on 09-04-2005 08:07 PM




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DarenX
Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:57 pm
#19

If you show up on a jedi's radar, and nothing else, that is all thats needed for a jedi to be suspicous of you. I dont know how some of you bh's are saying you can make a jedi not be suspicous....fact is no matter what you do or say your getting examined...unless the bh's on your server have no skill and give no reason for jedi to fear BH. The problem with this bug is you need to show up on there map so you can target them, check out times on buffs and foods(if any)then you leave wait whatever come back and start the party. If you dont do that then the only thing your actually doing is following a orange waypoint around without any knowledge of your mark.

That being said. I wouldnt let the bug get to you, find ways to avoid and play the game that is infront of you. Like somone pointed out, every proff has bugs and has to deal with them. The SOE SWG dev is a hard working group and will put this at the top of thier list and I predict they will fix it in roughly 1month SOE time(994837764295563days real time)SOE SUCKS!

Also about that /duel exploit when the bh's were using it is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO over rated. I know alot of jedi and 2 of them had it done to them 1 time each. The BH's that did use it were warned and BANNED on many occasions. I knew a few that were banned personally and a bunch others through word of mouth. I have nothing against jedi at all, but i firmly believe when you all get together and whine you get what you want, if you get together and exploit, you exploit till the devs fix the bug. Rarely do you guys get banned all you get is warnings and then a nerf then a bunch of LOVE. You are the favored proff in the long run...maby not right now, but overall



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Ameno
Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:28 pm
#20

hehe..soon as a dot shows up to a jedi, outside in the middle of no where.. FULLY buffed.. with about 8 different foods on.. you kind of figure.. hey that guy is a bh.. /examine... hm..master BH, Combat Medic.....surprise surprise.. Don't need /duel to find that out, never tried it myself personally, beacuse its already too easy to see who is hunting you or not.



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Tsumitsuki
Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:27 pm
#21






AD_Maj wrote:

Umm well...


Bro hate to tell you this, but if they /duel you then that means they aresuspicious of you. So even if /duel was fixed, they would still be suspicious of you right? Soooo if they are suspicious of you already then that means maybe you werent being sneaky enough.



All im trying to say is, if they /duel you, then that means you are to close if you are not ready to fight.


You dont stand in the open5 feet away from the deer right?








Jedi are supscious of everyone with either a tag (or whatever it is on your server) and anyone with MBH in their bio. However the point is they dont know for certain that you have their mission. Yes it is an exploit, because it's exploiting a bug in the code. Well not really a bug more of an error, just a simple text change would do to fix it: it could say "you challenge xxx to a duel" as normal but not actually issue the challenge. (im surprised they havent changed the spam text yet).


However I really can't help seeing the funny side of this. For ages we had jedi whining about the bh using /duel to lock them out of combat before attacking and now jedi are using the same command to spoil the BH's suprise. I'm not badmouthing any of the posters here, I agree its an exploit and it should be fixed asap, but its still funny as hell.

Message Edited by Tsumitsuki on 09-05-200512:48 AM

Message Edited by Tsumitsuki on 09-05-2005 12:48 AM

KammaRocca
Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:11 pm
#22






Kelb wrote:







I have yet to have a jedi that I am hunting /duel me. This is because I give my mark no reason to think I am hunting him.






How do you know? I thought if they try dueling you while you have their bounty, you didn't see anything.
xEPICx
Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:33 pm
#23

I love using /duel.
Quiet420
Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:48 pm
#24






Nathanielstarr wrote:

So surprise is supposed to make us equal to a full temp jedi....now with a simple /duel that is taken away....it's game breaking for us really. We have to run in guns blazing to get the drop on a jedi and we cannot study them at all or wait for the right moment. They always know now. Bounty hunters are not rush in and attack guys they are hunters....do you wave to a deer and get it's attention before you shoot it?


Do we need to do what the jedi do whenever something isn't going there way and just threaten to cancel to get anything changed?


You know I don't mind losing, I don't mind fighting an opponent that is superior in everyway but for the devs to actually say "this makes you equal" and then not fix something that makes us "not equal" is just another slap in the face towards the non-jedi population.


We also need to treat those that use this exploit as what they are....exploiters.





if you do your job properly, a jedi won't see you and have enough time to type /duel before you either open up on them or fall back out of sight...if you expect to be able to walk up to a jedi, stand around, follow them from mission to mission, you've already failed on your end and made it obvious you are there as a BH...soon that problem will be solved however, when BH "vis" is introduced, ya do that once it arrives, the tef will pop and they'll be able to attack you.


the /duel "bug" is not an exploit, it is an intended feature that gives the Jedi confirmation, in a situation where a BH has already made themself suspect, that they are, in fact, there to kill the target....this was placed in the game in response to abuses of BH'sand to eliminate tacticssuch asBH's challenging Jedi to "friendly" duels, only to DB, cause xp loss, and collect credits...the new "vis" will be an even better soloution.


when you approach outside of a player city you must be ready to quickly seize an oppurtunity, or quickly exit the area....this avoids your problem....it is not intended, and is not good sportsmanship to lurk on top of your mark...that is harassment.


GriffinsMyth
Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:29 pm
#25

First I've heard of an auto TEF and honestly, that'll take a lot of the fun out of the game. Before Jedi could get a confirmation it was unbelievably fun to join the Marks grind group and jump them mid kill or go up to a Mark without robes or saber equipped and asking if they can teach you novice medic. With an auto TEF that sort of fun is gone. It should be at least based on Jedi level, a full temp double master Jedi has an 80% chance of getting an Auto TEf on you (jedi awareness and all that) but it shouldn't be an auto thing 100%. That'll suck.
MinnKota
Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:40 pm
#26

:::::::::: When you find out the name of your mark /addignore him. this will prevent him from dueling you and also will prevent you from hearing his usless jedi chatter of why u beat him.
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