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Thread: Did the Empire really want *all* Jedi dead?

Xalya_Shadowalker
Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:51 pm
#14






Nathanielstarr wrote:


Well I wasn't so happy when I was able to kill 40 rancors in a row by myself But really contradiction and not directly mentioned are two different things.

A planet in the Corellia system is hardly contradicting to the films like 1000 Jedi running around unchecked.






See post above.





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REDLION78
Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:40 pm
#15

Ummmm....


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PyscoJuggalo
Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:48 pm
#16

OK cool so 20 on 20 Dark VRS Light Jedi makes sense in Theed



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Xalya_Shadowalker
Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:49 pm
#17






PyscoJuggalo wrote:
OK cool so 20 on 20 Dark VRS Light Jedi makes sense in Theed





Quit interpreting my meaning from the post. As I told Naithanial, it does't support any idea that Jedi should be plentiful or visible, just the idea that the Empire would want Imperial Jedi dead.





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Cerosis
Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:51 pm
#18



Xalya_Shadowalker wrote:


Nathanielstarr wrote:

My only concern is that it's used in an arguement as to why every twerp should get a Jedi. It's ridiculous.
Lets just throw the canon out the window all the way and balance the game then. Make Jedi just another profession.


Hold on here! Where in that did I say any of that? This isnt to say that Jedi should be prominent, numerous, or anything. This is MERELY to show that the Empire did NOT want all Jedi dead and that the Emperor DID have several Dark Jedi in his employ and that that oft-quoted statement used to justify same-faction hunting is NOT true or applicable.

Don't jump to conclusions about my intent and we'll get along much better, you might even find we agree on most things




Yup, havn't ever seen those jedi's names on the terminals either . The Empire wants "All" Jedi dead. THat being said the Emperor does have his little pet projects going on but if they get out of hand he will kill them himself. He watches everything they do, and doesn't give them an ounce of Lenency



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danno13
Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:53 pm
#19






Nathanielstarr wrote:

Look at some of the other sources of Star Wars material. The old Marvel Comics, the cartoons, even the toys....what counts? George Lucas said the only true canon is the films, but he's not going to detour you from buying the books that make him even richer. Boba Fett died as far as George Lucas is concerned because you saw it happen in Return of the Jedi. He said "the fans brought him back, but he's dead"


What does that tell ya?







Is the true canon limited to the six feature movies or does it also include the holiday special (which I haven't seen but really want to) and the made-for-TV Ewok movies (which I haven't seen since I was 6 or 7).


However, it is a little silly to argue over the accuracies of a fictional storyline. In my view, the "official" Star Wars storyline is whatever you personally think it is. After all, it's fun fiction not biochemistry or physics or anything of any practical importance.If you want your in-game character to be the love-child of Yoda and Mon Mothma, then I'm fine with it .





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Xalya_Shadowalker
Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:03 pm
#20






Cerosis wrote:

Yup, havn't ever seen those jedi's names on the terminals either . The Empire wants "All" Jedi dead. THat being said the Emperor does have his little pet projects going on but if they get out of hand he will kill them himself. He watches everything they do, and doesn't give them an ounce of Lenency





Fair enough post, and valid enough. The thing is, if we were to attempt to explain why those Jedi were never on the terminals the answer would be: because there was no one to report them. That is, anyone who saw them use their skills were subsequently killed or not of the nature to report them for it (i.e. Vader/Emperor/Others of their kind).


While grouping allows for the second explanation, there is no way IG to circumvent the first. That is to say, in SWG even if you kill someone with no witnesses, you have still generated visibility. Thus the argument you present is fallacious.





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ericlatrelle
Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:59 pm
#21

I go by what Palpatine said in Episode 3. ALL Jedi are enemies of the state. He didn't say light side Jedi,or Rebel Jedi, etc. He said ALL Jedi. I don't think it gets any clearer than that.



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ice33b
Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:07 pm
#22


Xalya_Shadowalker wrote:


ice33b wrote:
All of that is EU material and is not recognized as canon until Lucas writes it into script and its shown on film


EU material is considered "official" which is one step below canon. Might I remind you that Han and Leia getting married is also EU but no one seems to have any problem with that. Dathomir is EU. Talus, Tralus, Selonia, Drall, Lok, Kessel (as far as the Maw) are all EU as well. Again, don't pick and choose what you accept.

And, for future reference, the 'official' heirarchy of continuity is

Canon (Movies, Radio Drama, Screenplays)

Novels

Short Stories

Comics

Games






I wasn't picking a choosing, I was merely stating that until it appear's in a film or book version of a the film it will not be accepted as full truth.

As far as Han and Leia getting married, it was pretty much foreshadowed in the original trilogy so no I dont have a problem with that

Dathomir, Talus, and Lok I can do without in the game. I would rather have Coruscant, Cloud City, and Dagobah. Tralus, Drall, Selonia are not part of this game as far as planets are concerned. Kessel is part of deep space but its justified since Han Solo mentions the Kessel Run in EP4 while bragging on how fast he completed it in the Falcon.

Then again this game broke off from any kind of offical timeline once holocrons were introduced and 10,000 Jedi spawned from the depths of hell and started dueling in starports for fun



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Ultron69
Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:20 pm
#23

I would recomend A book by Timothy Zane "Shadows of the Empire " for true Star Wars fans and not just "gamers".This Expanded Universe takes place inbetween "new Hope" and Empire strikes Back";


As for The Empire out for all Jedi dead .The Emperor Had his own group of inquisoters who were force sensitive and would track force sensitive beings;Those that were "good and believed in the Jedi code" were hunted and killed ,those Force Sensitive that could be exploited by the Emperor were manipulated to serve the Dark Side.As long as they could be used to his advantage and posed no threat to his plans;He allowed them to thrive.Most had know Idea that He was even involved in pulling there strings,as is the way of the Sith.



REDLION78
Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:23 pm
#24


I want all Jedi scum dead...does that count?
Oss_Wilum
Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:37 pm
#25






ericlatrelle wrote:
I go by what Palpatine said in Episode 3. ALL Jedi are enemies of the state. He didn't say light side Jedi,or Rebel Jedi, etc. He said ALL Jedi. I don't think it gets any clearer than that.






well, at the time he said that, there weren't any rebels, and no dark jedi (that anyone knew about).


ask him today and i bet he'd say:


"You fool, i said that 20 years ago, if a jedi is so inclined to kill some of that rebellion which has just been the caterpillar in my buttermilk lately, then by all means, lets NOT have him killed, just yet anyway."






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Phaelyn
Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:38 pm
#26






ice33b wrote:




Xalya_Shadowalker wrote:





ice33b wrote:
All of that is EU material and is not recognized as canon until Lucas writes it into script and its shown on film





EU material is considered "official" which is one step below canon. Might I remind you that Han and Leia getting married is also EU but no one seems to have any problem with that. Dathomir is EU. Talus, Tralus, Selonia, Drall, Lok, Kessel (as far as the Maw) are all EU as well. Again, don't pick and choose what you accept.


And, for future reference, the 'official' heirarchy of continuity is


Canon (Movies, Radio Drama, Screenplays)


Novels


Short Stories


Comics


Games










I wasn't picking a choosing, I was merely stating that until it appear's in a film or book version of a the film it will not be accepted as full truth.

As far as Han and Leia getting married, it was pretty much foreshadowed in the original trilogy so no I dont have a problem with that

Dathomir, Talus, and Lok I can do without in the game. I would rather have Coruscant, Cloud City, and Dagobah. Tralus, Drall, Selonia are not part of this game as far as planets are concerned. Kessel is part of deep space but its justified since Han Solo mentions the Kessel Run in EP4 while bragging on how fast he completed it in the Falcon.


So, it's perfectly acceptable to have venues in this supposed time period (Ep 4) that were not known until at LEAST the next movie (Ep 5) - Which also breaks continuity, mind you - Simply because at SOME TIME they DO show up in the movies?

Then again this game broke off from any kind of offical timeline once holocrons were introduced and 10,000 Jedi spawned from the depths of hell and started dueling in starports for fun





You know, since "games" shows up at the bottom of the list, that means that anything that happens in this game really isn't covered by Canon limitations whatsoever.. So anything can and WILL happen.




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