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Thread: Bounty Hunter VS Bounty Hunter

bustedkarma
Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:20 pm
#14

Poaching someone elses kill is dirty. Not to say I'm above it, just saying its dirty



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Giles025
Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:10 pm
#15






EldosAirheart wrote:



I can see it now...


Bounty Hunter Joe is approaching his mark. The Jedi is grinding on a group of Bols. He is with a group of friends and doesn't seem to notice Joe. They are done with the lair and Jedi Tim is laughing with a group of friends. Joe attacks. *Vroooommm*Tim's LS ignites.The Jedi is at half health. He runs for his house. Root. Down to a quarter of health...


Jedi Tim: No, WAIT! I'll pay... *Tim gets incapped*


Joe is running for the DB! But wait, he collapses on the ground. He is taking severe damage. He gets up only to be hit by a blaster bolt that sends him straight back into the ground. DBed.


Bounter Hunter Bob approaches Jedi Tim.


Tim: Thanks man, you saved my life. But how were you able...


Knockdown, Critical, DB.



Message Edited by EldosAirheart on 06-25-2005 02:47 PM



Good point, if this happens then Jedi might recruit their friend's alts simply for the purpose of ruining hunts. If one BH kills another that doesn't mean the surviving BH will be made to kill the mark (in that case, their Jedi buddy - the rival BHjust saved their Jedi buddy's arse).

Message Edited by Giles025 on 06-25-2005 07:14 PM



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DarthSillyPants
Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:18 pm
#16

Bounty Hunters being dirty... You dont like that?


Dontwe have a whole column of skill boxescalled dirty tricks? lol



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Slysix
Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:52 am
#17

Ok so they'll need to put a control for bounty hunters who pick up missions just to save a buddy.
I initally posted that the bounty hunters would be hunting the same mark.

So you put a control...something like if a bounty hunter kills another bounty hunter for the mark, then he's locked into finish off that mark (ie: can not drop mission with out severe penalty (cost of bounty) and can not pick up new bounties)

giffordgekko
Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:19 am
#18

i want to kill bh after my precious mark, in the gifford creed - dirty fighting is endorsed
Grifn
Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:47 pm
#19

They probably shouldn't allow a player to place a bounty on another player, there's just too many immature people that would take advantage somehow. It would be like opening a window for greif.


But instead, the game places bounties on certain players for some sort of action. The smuggler thing would be a cool idea.


BHers should never go after another BH, it's like cops arresting cops. It hapenns, but not often enough to make it a regular routine. Plus it's a blatant violation of the BH Creed, an important part of SW Bounty Huntingthat many of us role-play by.


They should just concentrate on tweaking the NPC bounties to make them more enjoyable and worth while... I'd be happy with that. I can wait for a player bounty system. It has to be done right and there's just too many more important things to be worked on first.



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Slysix
Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:04 pm
#20

Bobo Fett never did follow the creed....If another bounty hunter got in his way that hunter got a beat down, he did not walk away. That's what started the bounty hunter guild war.... Howz that saying go again..."Rule are made to be..."

The only two bounty hunters that I know that teamed up and worked well together was Zuckuss and Lom?? The rest were always wanting to work as independants. Heck there are even instances where one bounty hunter tried to take the mark away from another one(Bossk, IG88, a few others).

Don't you ever get tired of hunting light stick boys?

The bounty hunter profession's specialty is PvP...so why not introduce more PvP content to the BH profession first on the same class (ie that way, any imbalances due to class differences are minimized). Debug that, then think about expanding it to hunting the rest of the nerf class...er general population.

But all this is on a tangent.

Initial post asked whether it was feasable for BH's to attack one another if they're hunting the same mark.

Grifn
Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:47 pm
#21

Fett DID follow the Creed. If a bounty hunter got in his way, THAT bounty hunter was in violation 1st, and no longer subjegated to the terms therein. Here's a quote from the Creed:


One may agree with another hunter's motives or damn them for the manner in which they carry out their hunts, but no bounty hunter may ever take up arms against a fellow hunter. This law applies only to hunters who themselves follow the creed. Those who have broken the creed, or who themselves have a bounty posted on their head, are merely acquisitions.


Fett did live by the creed,of courseWE are aware of instances where he was in violation, simply because we read the books and stuff. He would never openly violate it. Here's another quote:


The bounty hunter creed remains, therefore, a reasonable attempt at regulating an often nasty business, one often far removed from the eyes of "civilized beings." It also remains a loose set of principles that can be, and often is, violated when no one is looking. Like Imperial laws, any code of ethics is only as good as the means to enforce them.


Bounty Hunters are independants by nature of the profession, and there was much competition amongst them, that's why they had a difficult time working together. Zuckuss and 4-Lom were partners. Grouping was very common. They might not have liked each other, but they respected each other as Bounty Hunters...including Fett... for the most part.




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Slysix
Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:25 pm
#22


Grifn wrote:

Fett DID follow the Creed. If a bounty hunter got in his way, THAT bounty hunter was in violation 1st, and no longer subjegated to the terms therein. Here's a quote from the Creed: ....


So...you're ok with bounty hunters being able to attack another if they're both after the same mark?

From the first guys point of view..."Hey that guys MY mark. Silly guy...getting in my way. He's dead meat."

From the second guys point of view..."Hey that guys MY mark. Silly guy...getting in my way. He's dead meat."

From the marks points of view..."Hey those guys are after me....I'm sooo dead meat..."


Jargal
Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:57 pm
#23

Theres no logic in that a crimelord would pay money to bag a BH that has failed his bounty mission. He would only hire a new BH for the job. Theres nowhere in films or in real life examples of this either. It's only one more jedi wishlist thing that is coming true. And those BHs who wants this prolly has jedi main characters. If I were the type who liked to be hunted I'll grind me a jedi char (it only takes a few weeks now with Kashyyyk exploits) or a smuggler. But I have chosen the BH profession cause I like the hunting.



If BHs with the same mission could attack eachother, how long do you think it would take before 99% of all jedis had a group of friendly BHs with his mission walking around with the jedi as bodyguards? Then we are back with the jedi ganksquads again...Bad idea!





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SomeUser
Sun Jun 26, 2005 6:13 pm
#24


Forced PvP is a unique quality to the Jedi profession as a consequence and deterrent for having a character that is 1.5x more powerful then average. Allowing a weaker character to "attack" a more powerful character whose class must be kept in check makes sense.



Allow forced PvP in other professions doesnt make sense and it WILL NOT HAPPEN. SOE made it clear already it the GCW changes (you can be "on leave" [no one can attack you], "Overt" [only NPCs can attack you], and "special forces" [then, and only then, can a PC attack you]). It is obvious SOE isnt wanting to force PvP on 99% of its player base. SOE clearly looks at forced PvP as a negative consequence reserved for curbing a powerful Jedi class from becoming too numerous and to slow its "growth".


Using this on BH will only act to curve the BH population which is already inadequate in lowering/keeping in check the Jedi population. If you want to PvP and you're not a Jedi go Overt Special Forces or play a Jedi.



Some of these ideas are interesting but clearly not where SOE is headed. If anything, maybe when there is a major BH revamp, some additional "ideas" could be considered... However, I think that is a LONG way down the road folks.

Message Edited by SomeUser on 06-26-2005 08:15 PM





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VolvoSsixtyTsix
Sun Jun 26, 2005 6:44 pm
#25

Honor is not a part of bounty hunter proffession. If you read SW books you can see that Hunters were attacking each other to get the prey. Boba was attacked countless times by rival bounty hunters while trying to deliver his bounty.



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SomeUser
Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:04 pm
#26






VolvoSsixtyTsix wrote:

Honor is not a part of bounty hunter proffession. If you read SW books you can see that Hunters were attacking each other to get the prey. Boba was attacked countless times by rival bounty hunters while trying to deliver his bounty.






SWG, in case you havent noticed, doesnt follow the books or the movie man.



SWG is a game environment that is made up of 1000s of player characters. For this to work the game must be balanced as not to allow one person or class to dominate all others. That is where the BH vs Jedi forced PvP comes into play... Turning it around on normal toons is a game change I guarantee you SOE will not make. It doesnt matterwhether it has bases in the "books" or not, itis a M-U-T-E point. There is an in-game mechanism for PvP and it is clear SOE wants to give 99% of their player base the option whether or not to PvP. The exception is Jedi. Jedi are an exception due to their inherent "role" in the GCW and as a way to "balance" and "control" their population.



Player bounties would be interesting **if** there was a server/planet that players could **choose** to play on that would allow such a game dynamic while allowing players who dont wish that game dynamic to avoid it.





Vezek


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