Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Be careful what you wish for
_Crash_
Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:52 am
#14
Just like bounty hunter armor, jetpacks, av-21's, firesprays and elite weapons there must be things to strive for, a goal which is not easy to achieve. The fact is the when you complete your goals you feel empty inside. There is nothing to anticipate until you find another goal.
The fact is that a goal exists in a void and a goal can serve its purpose in our nature regardless of the rewards. It is a direction and a focus, a light on the horizon to journey towards.
A firespray is a nice ship, but there are better ones for PVE and an PVP out there. There is better ubese armor out there than most of the bounty hunter armor. Av-21 is a nice ride but a Barc is better for transportation and there are vehicles which carry more passengers.
Jedi is something for people to strive for in the game, unlocking a character slot, being given the opportunity to role-play a jedi. This does not mean that Jedi has to be all powerful and that it has to drown out everyone else in the game, forcing everyone to into one template in order to access PVP and the GCW.
Jedi should be happy that they have that journey. Part of what made jedi special was the difficulties, the trials they must go through to survive and make it in the end. Robb I know you to be one who grinded most every night, many times AFK to finish your template on the trails right next to the big LOS exploit in the feral wookie camp.
The fact is that thousands of people have exploited their way to full template in the last month and 1/2 whether it be through the LOS exploits, respec system or any number of cheats. The jedi are oftimes egotistical, abusive and they have not been through the trials, they cheated to avoid the trials and decared themselves Jedi in a week. These people weaken all jedi and they whine until jedi was made so embarrasingly easy that there is no longer anything special about becoming a full template jedi anymore. The 15 person gank squads that used to hunt me while I was grinding alone out on Dathomir for monthswas a right of passage. I knew that the attitudesof the kids grinding today were going to ruin the jedi profession, mainly becuase there is not filtering system anymore.With the removal of skill loss there are no longer any social consequences to immature and hateful behavior. Jedi were still powerful but there was no system in place that forced the people wielding that power to be responsible for their actions and their ways.
This is why I as a bounty hunter have worked exceedingly hard to make sure these whiners get the "full jedi experience" during their 2-3 week grind to uberness. Unfortunately they just cry to a CSR and run to their exploit spot when they see me coming. It is jedi who are ruining their profession, not the BH.
Message Edited by _Crash_ on 06-22-2005 02:01 AM
Vupos
Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:31 am
#15
refleks wrote:
VolvoSsixtyTsix wrote:
Frankly BHs are in perfect harmony with SWG timeline. If jedi are gone it will not kill our proffession, we can have fun without them. As for jedi, after you are full template you have nothing left to do. No armor, no weapons, no rides. PvP and bounty hunters if a ft jedi content. And it gets old fast.
That's why 90% of the bounty hunting going on is NPC missions, right?
no due to the fact that Bh can funcion like the other 31 professions who somehow "manage" to enjoy the game and find content without hunting Jedi. Don't bethink you are that important to the game content,the rest us play combat professions without needing to hunt Jedi
groundcrew
Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:31 am
#16
VolvoSsixtyTsix wrote:
Frankly BHs are in perfect harmony with SWG timeline. If jedi are gone it will not kill our proffession, we can have fun without them. As for jedi, after you are full template you have nothing left to do. No armor, no weapons, no rides. PvP and bounty hunters if a ft jedi content. And it gets old fast.
/agree
I just wish the NPC's were a bit more interesting to hunt.
Biffhammer
Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:33 am
#17
HAHAHAHAHA volvo, I don't believe that one bit. If jedi are gone you will get bored.
FettandhisVett
Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:47 am
#18
If all jedi are gone (about as likely as poverty ending) then BH will just be the doc and doc/tkm killers in GCW, we already have practice trying to kill nearly unkillable self healers.
groundcrew
Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:49 am
#19
_Crash_ wrote:
The fact is that thousands of people have exploited their way to full template in the last month and 1/2 whether it be through the LOS exploits, respec system or any number of cheats. The jedi are oftimes egotistical, abusive and they have not been through the trials, they cheated to avoid the trials and decared themselves Jedi in a week. These people weaken all jedi and they whine until jedi was made so embarrasingly easy that there is no longer anything special about becoming a full template jedi anymore. The 15 person gank squads that used to hunt me while I was grinding alone out on Dathomir for monthswas a right of passage. I knew that the attitudesof the kids grinding today were going to ruin the jedi profession, mainly becuase there is not filtering system anymore.With the removal of skill loss there are no longer any social consequences to immature and hateful behavior. Jedi were still powerful but there was no system in place that forced the people wielding that power to be responsible for their actions and their ways.
This is why I as a bounty hunter have worked exceedingly hard to make sure these whiners get the "full jedi experience" during their 2-3 week grind to uberness. Unfortunately they just cry to a CSR and run to their exploit spot when they see me coming. It is jedi who are ruining their profession, not the BH.
Message Edited by _Crash_ on 06-22-2005 02:01 AM
/agree
Jedi like thisare a disease and Bounty Hunters should be the cure.
groundcrew
Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:57 am
#20
refleks wrote:
VolvoSsixtyTsix wrote:
Frankly BHs are in perfect harmony with SWG timeline. If jedi are gone it will not kill our proffession, we can have fun without them. As for jedi, after you are full template you have nothing left to do. No armor, no weapons, no rides. PvP and bounty hunters if a ft jedi content. And it gets old fast.
That's why 90% of the bounty hunting going on is NPC missions, right?
I hunt NPC's constantly. At least then I know I have a shot at collecting.
Vupos
Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:08 am
#21
_Crash_ wrote:
The fact is that thousands of people have exploited their way to full template in the last month and 1/2 whether it be through the LOS exploits, respec system or any number of cheats. The jedi are oftimes egotistical, abusive and they have not been through the trials, they cheated to avoid the trials and decared themselves Jedi in a week. These people weaken all jedi and they whine until jedi was made so embarrasingly easy that there is no longer anything special about becoming a full template jedi anymore. The 15 person gank squads that used to hunt me while I was grinding alone out on Dathomir for monthswas a right of passage. I knew that the attitudesof the kids grinding today were going to ruin the jedi profession, mainly becuase there is not filtering system anymore.With the removal of skill loss there are no longer any social consequences to immature and hateful behavior. Jedi were still powerful but there was no system in place that forced the people wielding that power to be responsible for their actions and their ways.
This is why I as a bounty hunter have worked exceedingly hard to make sure these whiners get the "full jedi experience" during their 2-3 week grind to uberness. Unfortunately they just cry to a CSR and run to their exploit spot when they see me coming. It is jedi who are ruining their profession, not the BH.
Message Edited by _Crash_ on 06-22-200502:01 AM
/kowtow one of the best jedi posts i've heard yet.
_Crash_
Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:03 am
#22
Can anyone really tell me that they understand exactly what the original poster is trying to say? Forget the title for a second, and read that garbled mess again. It's nonsense.
Grade: F
I know this guy and he is basically saying "I exploited for 13 days to get GOD mode if they take it away illquit because i cant PVP and rely on an unbalanced template to give me insta-win.If I quit you will get bored and you will suffer when I am gone.
Yes Robb was bragging about going from unlock to full template in 13 days. He exploitedthe respec system,and ran like a baby to the LOS exploit spot on the trails. I know becuase I hunted him.
RobbHood
Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:24 am
#23
BTW Crash is a lier and/or an Idiot. I nevber bragged about a 13 unlock. I grinded 18 profession back in the day of Holo hell. Come read my profile any day you ingnorant fool.
Disease? Cure? BH will rid the Galaxy of Jedi? LOL are you insane? Do you think the grinders on Kash really care? They make 10x the xp with or without a death. Sure they care some about dying, but if you asked them, "hey grind on Kash for killer xp but we have to kill you once in a while for a loss, or grind for 10 months on Endor and Dantooine and run the risk of being killed." They're gonna take Kash any day. You get to play, grind, and watch a movie, eat dinnerall at the same time.
And how is killing a toon in the game gonna reduce the Jedi population? Most of the arrogant cooments by Jedi are done to yank your chain and so many of you fall for it every time. It amazes me at the gulability of some of you.
Most posting, like this one, takes place while we are at work and bored. Saying crazy, funny, stupid things to get responses is a great form of entertainment, and it is real entertaining to watch some of you cross the line.
Basically the Jedi are saying. "I have a Jedi and you don't, and I have a CL80 alt I can play when ever I want."
Full Template Jedi Situation and CL 80 BH's:
1. Very few, (if but a rare and exceptional player),BH's wil every kill a jedi solo if the Jedi is even half awake.
2. Soon only 1 BH at a time will be able to try andkill a Jedi
3. These Jedi nerfs will only increase the house dropping and speeder get-aways and FR escapes, whyfight
if things look bad and a CM is healing better then a MHealer.
3. Soon BH's will be hunted.
4. The true BH hunts grown up Jedi and his content is waining.
Message Edited by RobbHood on 06-22-2005 07:26 AM
Nisdain
Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:49 am
#24
RobbHood wrote:I play currently play 3 MMO games and my guild has 2 more big ones eye-balled that should come into play in about 5-8 months. I have played most of them all. Been playing this one since shortly after release. I delcined Beta because they wanted me to pay for the disc and that just didn't seem right. I say all this to point out that we see this nerf-cycle in very game as I am sure those of you with similar gaming exp have seen the same thing.But this is why there is a slight difference in SWG then say, nerfing a Shaman in WoW. There is a direct relationship between the Jedi and the BH from the BH perspective. The BH, who truly plays as intended, needs Jedi, while Jedi do not need the BH. Even with the changes, those of us through with the grind have very little to fear from a BH, (and these pesky nerfs will not change that) and when the 1 v 1 BH to Jedi is put in place, it will be even less of a bother. The loss of fun will be in diminished PvP performance, not by BH's.The BH/Jedi hatred has become laughable. There is no clear communication as to why SOE has treated Jedi in the manner they have. It could be due to a concept that has gotten out of hand, or complete stupidy. Speculating does no good, only know that Jedi are not, and maybe cannot, be as they are portrayed on screen and in print. This is a game with many professions.The constant whinning over the "Alpha class we cannot beat" has created a situation where Full Templet Jedi will lack so much that PvPing will be little fun. Not due to BH's, who have little chance and will always have little chance, to kill a Jedi of any competence, but because our alts are as powerful and more fun to PvP with.There is no Galatic need for Jedi to keep the peace or defend the weak, so if ya wanna fight, take your master whatever alt out and do some damage. If a BH wants to kill a 50K paddy, they will always be there, have at it. That is a sad commentary on your profession if that's all you kill.So you whine that the 220K + Jedi's are never on? Ask yourselves why? I'm on quite a bit, but with really nothing to do but stand around and bs with the locals. When we wanna wipe out the enemy, my master rifle is just as much help and more fun, though I have to bring the Jedi on if the opposition has Jedi. (you counter force w/ force, but here its force drain w/ force drain )Your content will consist of killing AFK paddies, grinding on the trail, who care little since grinding there and dieing still yeilds more xp. Can you possibly think that is the fun content you pay for? Well it's all your are gonna have.Jedi is no where near as fun as it use to be back in the day, and yes, there are way too many, but blame SOE for that. The Jedi pendulem will swing back our way over time.Meanwhile, I will keep SWG since Star Wars and I have grown up together, pop in from time to time and have alittle fun.The realities of the Jedi nerfing will have little or no effect on the full temp. Jedi's you try and kill.
If 80% of all 220l+ jedi quit, on atleast Starsider there would still be enough to kill without even blinking. Full template jedis wont take an hour to kill now either 1 on 1 and they wont be able to stand there for 4 minutes or so in PVP smiling and waving their glow stick while 20 people are shooting them. A good PVP team consists normally of mostly Jedi. Thats just WRONG. With the changes having a Jedi will be a benefit to a group but not a required step. You have to bring your jedi on to deal with the other sides Jedi you say? Thats where the entire problem is: that the only other way to counter Jedi is to throw insane numbers at them and yet they can still escape. In a 2 vs 1 fight if you can kill one guy and drop the second guy down to about half health you're 1.5X as strong as a normal player. But wyou know, reading over the Jedi forums even Jedi disagree with you so whatever.
warrenbassist
Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:00 am
#25
Basically the people who order pizza online so they don't miss a single second of gameplay are making fun of us.
stretchb0x wrote:
Can anyone really tell me that they understand exactly what the original poster is trying to say? Forget the title for a second, and read that garbled mess again. It's nonsense.
Grade: F
RobbHood
Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:10 am
#26
Nisadain, you seem to agree with me. And regarding Warren's post, he is right. I get alot of tells from Paddy's with template questions and the like who fill me in on the Trail. I even go down on the trail forbit as I wait for some buddies to fly in for Necro.
The Jedi down there, Imp and Reb alike,all are LOL at the BH's standing around, taking names, making reports on Jedi sightings on the "trail". Basically saying "come kill me now, so I can respawn and get back to my pizza and a movie".
Once a guy said. "If a BH attacks me, send me /tell so I can here it, I will be in the other room doing some homework." These paddys are like 0020, and5 novice boxes. Collect your 40k and let them get back to their pizza for God's sakes!!
Back in the day, I was never, ever on the terms grinding in complete isolation on Endor. And I had to ride my speeder uphill, both ways to get to every lair.
Message Edited by RobbHood on 06-22-2005 08:12 AM