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Thread: FORCE CLOAK, MASTER TITLE NERF NEEDED
JeetBadwarrior wrote:
ummm...you should use tatics other then riding out on your swoop hoping off and trying to shock an awe them to death...very rarely works...your better of stalking your target learn where he goes and doesnt go where he lives where he fly in and out of...you know hunting not waypoint chasing...catch em when there chating them self up with there buddies in the starport if I know one thing to be true in this game most jedi are 1 cretures of habit and 2 have a burning desire to show in starports...and would you people stop CRYING for NERFS
Message Edited by JeetBadwarrior on 07-19-2005 03:54 PM
with missions decaying after three days, you hardly have time to become best friends with your mark
I'm sure I'll be flamed for being a Jedi posting on the BH forums in defense of a Jedi skill... but hey, before Jedi I have mastered BH 3 different times and been MBH for a very long time since I've started playing this game.. and just because I love to torture myself I guess, I am now doing the BH grind again on a third alt. So --
You do know that force cloak drains force when used in the presence of players and NPCs right? Even immobile NPCs such as vendors and trainers drain force. And the more around your area while cloaked, the more force it drains. This being said... if a Jedi is actually being able to cloak and completely regen, including force... you're doing something wrong. I say this only having been a BH in my time. I personally don't have cloak in my template, I find it to be a waste of skill points.. but that's just me.
Besides, it's bugged as hell right now so it's not hard to figure out where the Jedi has gone to. Even without being able to /target them anymore, you can still see their shadow, or mobs recognizing them and even agroing them while cloaked. Just be attentive.
JeetBadwarrior wrote:
ummm...you should use tatics other then riding out on your swoop hoping off and trying to shock an awe them to death...very rarely works...your better of stalking your target learn where he goes and doesnt go where he lives where he fly in and out of...you know hunting not waypoint chasing...catch em when there chating them self up with there buddies in the starport if I know one thing to be true in this game most jedi are 1 cretures of habit and 2 have a burning desire to show in starports...and would you people stop CRYING for NERFS
Message Edited by JeetBadwarrior on 07-19-200503:54 PM
While I agree with you in most respects, there's one thing I'd like to point out:
GIVEN THE /DUEL BUG, YOU CAN'T "STALK" YOUR PREY
Now, where was I? Oh yeah, no hunting or stalking allowed, so long as that Jedi knows you're after him. After that, if it's even a remotely fair fight for the BH, the Jedi FRs, cloaks, using the LOS exploit, or runs into his house like a scared little girl. Again, this is only if the BH has a remotechance of winning. Yeah, there are some Jedi that stay and fight, but I haven't crossed paths with many, that's for sure.
its starwars not startrek if jedi can cloak I want my x-wing to cloak as a master pilot ability
NERF HILLS!
NERF TREES!!!1!
NERF ALL BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES!!1!!
They block LOS so need to be NERFED!
Whacked wrote:
I can see it comming,...
NERF HILLS!
NERF TREES!!!1!
NERF ALL BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES!!1!!
They block LOS so need to be NERFED!
Gee, that's a good idea, Jedi.
Personally, I couldn't care less if your profession went back to its roots with permadeath. God, that would be a truly great thing.
Whacked wrote:
I can see it comming,...
NERF HILLS!
NERF TREES!!!1!
NERF ALL BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES!!1!!
They block LOS so need to be NERFED!
We are talking about a skill that avoids death of any kind and more. Trees, buildings, LOS and crap should always be in the game, makes it more 3D, since everyone has the ability to use them for their tactics (nonexploiting of course) it's cool with me.
MX13 wrote:
This isn't needed.
As a Jedi, I have cloak and use it to travel, trying to do my part to RP and lower the Jedi hate out there.
As a MBH, I've had a Jedi use it while I was attacking. Was it frustrating? Yup, but I learned and adjusted my tactics. It's difficult for Jedi to use FC in combat, due to the prox of players, NPC's & MOB's. Use that to your advantage.
But saying you should move an ability because you can't attack a Jedi isn't a viable arguement. If that's your basis, then limit the range or rifles to 32m or increase saber attacks to 65m. If you choose to attack from 50m and a Jedi Cloaks, then it's a simple case of tactics Vs tactics. You can't have it all your way.
The arguement is the Jedi using Force Cloak to cloak and then reappear attacking the BH with a first strike after he has healed and force regen'd for a minute or 2. I fought a Jedi the other day who used this tactic to a slight degree. He was only cloaked for about 15 seconds. At that time it broke the target but you could reapply the target. Well I was kiting him, he cloaked outside of the 20m range. I stopped long enough to type /tar "Jedi's name" and as I was typing he decloaked with a KD.
Other Jedi have used this to wait until the BH has given up and then decloaked long enough to do a Saber Throw on the BH's speeder after he calls it out to drive away. And as mentioned before... a Jedi can use this in order to give himself first strike. Think about it... BH are ranged, there for a lot of them will get outside of melee range and the 32m Saber throw range. As soon as the BH attacks, they use Force Cloak. The BH can no longer attack. The Jedi then makes sure his health is good and checks his force... pops some food, hits a Booster Blue... and then runs into melee range and decloaks and hits with KD/armor break/head hit/leg hit/body hit/DB combo. It takes the first strike capabilities away from Bounty Hunters.
It was stated that our first strike capabilities were supposed to make us on par 1vs1 with a Knight... I don't see how, but if even that is taken away from us... then exactly how long will it be before Bounty Hunters just start giving up all together?
Message Edited by ShaikeRamjet on 07-19-2005 09:00 PM
and you can combat cloak maybe if you dont root and run 40m and stay within 20-25m give or taek lag (yes i know its a problem but theres more dangerous htings) sure you might get hit but omg god frbid you take some damage. most full temps wont have this unless they go for Mpowers and thats pretty much still gimped minus choke of course.