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Thread: Armour:- it isn't the be all and end all everyone seems to think

bmill
Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:10 am
#14






Talluin wrote:

Recon has the best 'energy' resists.. itISN'T the best armour. quite simply, as stated before, i'd much rather wear 6k resist battle armour and know my template inside out than wear 8trillion resist recon and not know my template.. the former would win every time, worn by anyone


My original post, was basically saying that, not, my armour is the best... It was meant to be constructive and to give heart to the newer Bounty hunters who think that recon is THE ONLY armour to have to hunt marks successfully.


Talluin







So you are now making the hasty generalization that anyone who wears Recon armor doesn't know their template inside and out? I wear my Recon, have an excellent win/loss ratio and feel that I know my template inside and out.... What gives? BTW, I can wear recon, assualt, and battle.... I choose recon for Jedi hunting.



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Ulrek_Oden
Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:44 am
#15

Okay folks lets not fight about it....

Lets agree on two things...

1. Ubese has the best ENERGY resist stats...

2. Knowing your template and how to use it in battle is utmost important...

Okay?



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CaixCatab
Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:53 am
#16






Ulrek_Oden wrote:
The difference between 6K energy and 8k energy resist is roughly 17%

that 17% can make a HUGE difference...

However it is true that you can win with other armor... as you say... but it is a bit harder and you will defiinitely have to heal alot more.





While I do not neccesarily agree with the originial poster, according the the AS forum guide the difference between 6K and 8K is about 8%.


IMHO, the one thing that actually decides which armour is "the best" has to do with armourbreak. If armourbreak reduces the point value, and not the % value, the difference between 6K and 8K, even with a proper AB slice, is going to feel a lot more. Not having even toyed briefly with the concept of post-CU melee, anyone know how the armourbreaks work?





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Musicmaestro
Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:00 am
#17

Talluin, you're a MCM so you probably don't see as big a difference in 8k(if you've tried it) vs. battle or assault at 6k-7k because of rupture thyroid. The problem isn't necessarily any single hit but multiple hits adding up.



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DWolf
Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:03 am
#18


6k Rebel Battle Armour with 75% AB slice and I can take an Mdef

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KraftyOne
Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:06 am
#19






Ulrek_Oden wrote:
The difference between 6K energy and 8k energy resist is roughly 17%

that 17% can make a HUGE difference...

However it is true that you can win with other armor... as you say... but it is a bit harder and you will defiinitely have to heal alot more.





Let's keep the misinformation to a minumum. The difference between 6K and 8K energy is 8%.


My battle armor is primus layered bringing the difference down to 6%. I'd love to have that extra 6%, but I can't think of a single jedi that i would have beat because of that extra percentage. They just run too fast.





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Ulrek_Oden
Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:11 am
#20



CaixCatab wrote:


Ulrek_Oden wrote:
The difference between 6K energy and 8k energy resist is roughly 17%

that 17% can make a HUGE difference...

However it is true that you can win with other armor... as you say... but it is a bit harder and you will defiinitely have to heal alot more.


While I do not neccesarily agree with the originial poster, according the the AS forum guide the difference between 6K and 8K is about 8%.

IMHO, the one thing that actually decides which armour is "the best" has to do with armourbreak. If armourbreak reduces the point value, and not the % value, the difference between 6K and 8K, even with a proper AB slice, is going to feel a lot more. Not having even toyed briefly with the concept of post-CU melee, anyone know how the armourbreaks work?






hmmm I was going off of 8000=56% and 6000=48% 56/48= 116.6% or about 17% higher.... But that actually might not be the best way to look at this...



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KraftyOne
Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:12 am
#21






Ulrek_Oden wrote:





CaixCatab wrote:





Ulrek_Oden wrote:
The difference between 6K energy and 8k energy resist is roughly 17%

that 17% can make a HUGE difference...

However it is true that you can win with other armor... as you say... but it is a bit harder and you will defiinitely have to heal alot more.





While I do not neccesarily agree with the originial poster, according the the AS forum guide the difference between 6K and 8K is about 8%.


IMHO, the one thing that actually decides which armour is "the best" has to do with armourbreak. If armourbreak reduces the point value, and not the % value, the difference between 6K and 8K, even with a proper AB slice, is going to feel a lot more. Not having even toyed briefly with the concept of post-CU melee, anyone know how the armourbreaks work?









hmmm I was going off of 8000=56% and 6000=48% 56/48= 116.6% or about 17% higher.... But that actually might not be the best way to look at this...





Sorry, I misunderstood. If calculated that way you are absolutely correct.



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WookieOgre
Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:16 am
#22

Think of it this way though, even with only slightly better armor resists you still heal less. Less heals = more damage output + less drain on mind.


When fights typically last more than 5 mins you need to prepare for a long fight. Every bit helps.


Ulrek_Oden
Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:17 am
#23



KraftyOne wrote:


Ulrek_Oden wrote:


CaixCatab wrote:


Ulrek_Oden wrote:
The difference between 6K energy and 8k energy resist is roughly 17%

that 17% can make a HUGE difference...

However it is true that you can win with other armor... as you say... but it is a bit harder and you will defiinitely have to heal alot more.


While I do not neccesarily agree with the originial poster, according the the AS forum guide the difference between 6K and 8K is about 8%.

IMHO, the one thing that actually decides which armour is "the best" has to do with armourbreak. If armourbreak reduces the point value, and not the % value, the difference between 6K and 8K, even with a proper AB slice, is going to feel a lot more. Not having even toyed briefly with the concept of post-CU melee, anyone know how the armourbreaks work?






hmmm I was going off of 8000=56% and 6000=48% 56/48= 116.6% or about 17% higher.... But that actually might not be the best way to look at this...


Sorry, I misunderstood. If calculated that way you are absolutely correct.





No worries... the question is is the advantage 8% or 17%?

As for armor break.... Improve Saber armor break does: Effect: Reduces the target's armor rating by 65%.

so I would assume... if I am at 8K rating for 56% defense I will be reduced to 5200 for a rating of roughly 43% while a 6000 suit would be reduced to 3900 or a rating of about 36%

shows how important armor break reduction is....



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bmill
Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:32 am
#24






Talluin wrote:

for gods sake....


Where in my post do you see me making that generalisation???? read the OP and subsequent replies, why is there always someone like you, ready to flame away and start a pathetic conflict in a forum postwhen all i was saying that armour IS NOT the be all and end all in hunting jedi marks. THIS IS TRUE NO MATTER WHAT SPIN YOU TRY AND PUT ON IT.


If you really think that armour IS the be all and end all of hunting jedi, then good luck


enuf sed








No, you did make that generalization, you said:


"i'd much rather wear 6k resist battle armour and know my template inside out than wear 8trillion resist recon and not know my template.. the former would win every time, worn by anyone"


Which basically says that you wear 6k battle armor and know your template inside and out, but you'd rather do that than wear 8k armor and not know your template. You implied that people who wear 8k recon armor don't know their templates, and rely solely on their "better" resist armor to win the match-up. I'm not trying to flame you, it's just that I was offended by what you said, since I know my template very well AND I wear 8k resist 75% armor break sliced Recon armor. I've tried the other alternatives, all with armor break slicing and I far prefer the added bounues of 6k vs 8k resist armor. It's just more protection, hands down. That is a fact established here in this posting, whether it's 17% better or 6% better, it's still MORE protection which is better.


That's the point I was trying to get across. While your OPINION is that 6k battle armor is better FOR YOU PERSONALLY, it may not be the best thing across the board. I'm not saying mine is either, it's all about personal preference and profession choices. Perhaps your 6k armor is "better" for you because you inately have more defenses with your template? There are number of varibles that could affect why you feel that yours is "the best" solution.


Truth is.... there is no "best" way to get it done. We all kill Jedi... that's the name of the game, and point of our professions. You do it with your 6k battle and some of us do it with out 8k recon.


In terms of BH on BH (armor vs armor) fighting, I'm going for the damage against your weakest resist anyway, so the armor choice is moot. You wear some Recon against me? I'm hitting you with my kinetic weapons. You wear some battle against me? I'm hitting you with my highest damage weapons which are my energy weapons.



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pepe4158
Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:49 am
#25

Still for your template Uber RIS sliced anti brake is still pretty decent stuff isnt it?....dont know any stats off hand....but may go look.
gugree
Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:48 am
#26

has anyone documented the situation that illustrates where each armor has an advantage ?.... you know the upside downside of each, possibly relating to what it's best for or limited for...and does the type matter ie..chiton or composite

battle-

assault-

recon-

bh-

factional versions-


armor is not as clear to me as it is to some of you....i dont understand it still....my toon can wear battle or assault without penalty...but bh mitigation advantage is restricted to assault...isn't it?
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