Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: REMOVE PSG's from jedi's
Ternque01
Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:12 pm
#14
Draacco wrote:
Even at rangeI can keep a Jedi away from me for a good long time, but only doing max 300 damage when they are knocked down which is one infusion bump makes them impossible for ranged energy.. All I'm saying.. Defenders are tough enough without a PSG.. The PSG removes any first strike advantage against them or any other jedi for that matter if they have a good psg.
I'd marry you if you weren't a squid... or a man... hehehe
Ternque01
Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:33 pm
#16
Reb_Marine wrote:
how about this, don t use a energy weapon
*sigh*
HyprHypo
Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:35 pm
#17
Reb_Marine wrote:
how about this, don t use a energy weapon
u didnt read the thing did u
da-bro
Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:49 pm
#18
Lets use a 530-1184 Laser Rifle for this example.
Versus Master Defender:
First Aura is factored in and lets go to the extreme and say that it works perfectly and reduces the Laser Rifles damage to the minimum.
Advanced Critical Shot has a 1.9 damage multiplier. This means the raw shot is 1007 damage. Apply 30% PvP reduction and we start with a shot of 704 damage.
With PSG:
A good PSG has around 2500 protection, which is around 20% mitigation. 704 becomes 563 damage.
Next it has to go through armor, which at Master Defender is 7000. This gives about 55% further mitigation. 563 becomes 253 damage.
Without PSG:
The only mitigation is armor, which as mentioned at MAster Defender gives roughly 55% mitigation. 704 becomes 352 damage.
Versus someone with no Defender and 0400 Enhancer instead:
No aura and no melee/ranged defence, so we will be using the rifles maximum damage as the starting figure. Initial shot is 2249 damage (1184 * 1.9). Apply PvP 30% reduction and we start with 1574 damage.
With PSG:
A good PSG has around 2500 protection, which is around 20% mitigation. 1574 becomes 1259.
Next it has to go through armor, which at Enhancer 0400 is 6000. This gives about 50% further mitigation. 1259 becomes 629 damage.
Without PSG:
The only mitigation is armor, which as mentioned at Enhancer 0400 gives roughly 50% mitigation. 1574 becomes 787 damage.
In the case of the Master Defender, the PSG is only reducing damage by an additional 99 points.
Versus Master Defender:
First Aura is factored in and lets go to the extreme and say that it works perfectly and reduces the Laser Rifles damage to the minimum.
Advanced Critical Shot has a 1.9 damage multiplier. This means the raw shot is 1007 damage. Apply 30% PvP reduction and we start with a shot of 704 damage.
With PSG:
A good PSG has around 2500 protection, which is around 20% mitigation. 704 becomes 563 damage.
Next it has to go through armor, which at Master Defender is 7000. This gives about 55% further mitigation. 563 becomes 253 damage.
Without PSG:
The only mitigation is armor, which as mentioned at MAster Defender gives roughly 55% mitigation. 704 becomes 352 damage.
Versus someone with no Defender and 0400 Enhancer instead:
No aura and no melee/ranged defence, so we will be using the rifles maximum damage as the starting figure. Initial shot is 2249 damage (1184 * 1.9). Apply PvP 30% reduction and we start with 1574 damage.
With PSG:
A good PSG has around 2500 protection, which is around 20% mitigation. 1574 becomes 1259.
Next it has to go through armor, which at Enhancer 0400 is 6000. This gives about 50% further mitigation. 1259 becomes 629 damage.
Without PSG:
The only mitigation is armor, which as mentioned at Enhancer 0400 gives roughly 50% mitigation. 1574 becomes 787 damage.
In the case of the Master Defender, the PSG is only reducing damage by an additional 99 points.
xur-soma
Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:01 pm
#20
Reb_Marine wrote:
how about this, don t use a energy weapon
lol nice..
MRM have
65m range
75m with arms? [ not sure i think they look gay so i dont use them ]
beterdamage of pistoles, carbs
I wanted to use my DE-10 but they suck agaist Jedi so i had to get another gun that was kenetic, and now my dmg is just fine... but i still have a range of 35m 
My jedi i dont even use a psg...i use a belt with +25 melee def +25 ranged def... I never have a problem with BH' s it not the PSG's its energy weapons + PSG' s just dont use them problem solved if that mean you cant use the adv Laser rifle so be it... I cant use my DE-10 and I want to...
BountyHunterTHX1138
Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:03 pm
#21
Draacco wrote:PSG's are making jedi way too powerful.. It's limiting the BH's to having a MCM as the alternate profession.. Rifleman BH's are totally useless against any defender with a good PSG..Defender with good PSG and no buffs, no aura, no valor will mitigate 80%-90% of all incomming ranged energy damage from a ranged energy weapon..Due to the lack of kinetic rifles that actually do any real damage or have massive SAC cost .. rifleman bh's have been rendered absoulutly useless against the big dawgs..I know it shoudlnt be easy to kill a defender, but for the love of GOD I put a nooblet defender on the ground with no buffs, hit him 6 times on the ground all critical hits and the max hit was 235 with a capped HLR.. I'm sorry but thats just BS!Fix it please.. bring the force back onto balance..
Stop whining, it never works if you havent learned.
HyprHypo
Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:04 pm
#22
BountyHunterTHX1138 wrote:
Draacco wrote:PSG's are making jedi way too powerful.. It's limiting the BH's to having a MCM as the alternate profession.. Rifleman BH's are totally useless against any defender with a good PSG..Defender with good PSG and no buffs, no aura, no valor will mitigate 80%-90% of all incomming ranged energy damage from a ranged energy weapon..Due to the lack of kinetic rifles that actually do any real damage or have massive SAC cost .. rifleman bh's have been rendered absoulutly useless against the big dawgs..I know it shoudlnt be easy to kill a defender, but for the love of GOD I put a nooblet defender on the ground with no buffs, hit him 6 times on the ground all critical hits and the max hit was 235 with a capped HLR.. I'm sorry but thats just BS!Fix it please.. bring the force back onto balance..
Stop whining, it never works if you havent learned.
have u seen the Jedi's wishlist? a lot of that has come true from the crying game
asciiadam
Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:17 pm
#23
UTech wrote:
Draacco wrote:
PSG's are making jedi way too powerful.. It's limiting the BH's to having a MCM as the alternate profession.. Rifleman BH's are totally useless against any defender with a good PSG..
Defender with good PSG and no buffs, no aura, no valor will mitigate 80%-90% of all incomming ranged energy damage from a ranged energy weapon..
Due to the lack of kinetic rifles that actually do any real damage or have massive SAC cost .. rifleman bh's have been rendered absoulutly useless against the big dawgs..
I know it shoudlnt be easy to kill a defender, but for the love of GOD I put a nooblet defender on the ground with no buffs, hit him 6 times on the ground all critical hits and the max hit was 235 with a capped HLR.. I'm sorry but thats just BS!
Fix it please.. bring the force back onto balance..
Let me see if I have this straight.. you want to nerf already nerfed-half-to-death Jedi, because you don't feel BH's should be FotM'd. You think someone who has spent all those skillpoints and all that xp on Master Defender shouldn't actually be able to defend themselves against weapons that have the lowest SAC, because you don't want to learn how to manage your HAM costs. Did I get it right? Do I get a cookie?
If you think Jedi are way too powerful now, you should have tried taking one on pre-CU, before you respec'd to MBH.
/sarcasm off
right on!
mpedersen
Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:27 pm
#24
Draacco wrote:
PSG's are making jedi way too powerful.. It's limiting the BH's to having a MCM as the alternate profession.. Rifleman BH's are totally useless against any defender with a good PSG..
Defender with good PSG and no buffs, no aura, no valor will mitigate 80%-90% of all incomming ranged energy damage from a ranged energy weapon..
Due to the lack of kinetic rifles that actually do any real damage or have massive SAC cost .. rifleman bh's have been rendered absoulutly useless against the big dawgs..
I know it shoudlnt be easy to kill a defender, but for the love of GOD I put a nooblet defender on the ground with no buffs, hit him 6 times on the ground all critical hits and the max hit was 235 with a capped HLR.. I'm sorry but thats just BS!
Fix it please.. bring the force back onto balance..
Hate to break it to you, Rifleman/BH are useless to my defender anyways, I beat them every time.
KODAKSTEVENS
Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:34 pm
#25
....only thing jedi are gonna be left with soon will be as followed , credits , LS and a robe :/ , nerf em some more so they can only have LS and robe
