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Thread: Petition to bring back Sabre TEF!

wildcard1973
Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:42 pm
#14

Sometimes I wonder if any of you actually play... I see talk of Jedi gank squads...talk of which ever side has the most Jedi wins...it's funny beause if anyone actually fought in the GCW you'd know that the one and only thing that determines the outcome in a fight is simple...healing ability. Who ever has more wins period. End of Story.


Jedi have triple the mind cost and triple the healing delay of either CM or Doc. it's a simple fact.



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blue-phoenix
Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:26 am
#15



Thassk wrote:


marc-anthony wrote:
I think that would solve alot!, also even if the Jedi survives and loses the TEF I think his mission should still be on the Terms.


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it might solve the jedi ganking people in GCW PVP problem ... every galactic civil war battle or guild war you see these days shows like 10 or morejedi running after people in a gank squad .. its funny .. you remove BH gank squads only to give way to jedi gank squads

cuz the thing is back in the day .. we could go to the terminal and get the missions out on those jedi in the gank squad and pick em out one by one ..

Message Edited by Thassk on 08-31-2005 11:11 PM





bh ganks are still available.

just because you don't know how to plan them, doesn't mean they are not there.

And no they do not take a long time to coordiante.



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RingSting_IOM
Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:10 am
#16






wildcard1973 wrote:

Sometimes I wonder if any of you actually play... I see talk of Jedi gank squads...talk of which ever side has the most Jedi wins...it's funny beause if anyone actually fought in the GCW you'd know that the one and only thing that determines the outcome in a fight is simple...healing ability. Who ever has more wins period. End of Story.


Jedi have triple the mind cost and triple the healing delay of either CM or Doc. it's a simple fact.






rofl


oh really?


So 2 master sabers - master defenders with no heals vs 1 Master BH -Master Combat medic would win because the CM has more heals?


I think not



I support Jedi being as powerful as they used to be as long as it becomes hard to get again.



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Thassk
Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:41 am
#17






wildcard1973 wrote:

Sometimes I wonder if any of you actually play... I see talk of Jedi gank squads...talk of which ever side has the most Jedi wins...it's funny beause if anyone actually fought in the GCW you'd know that the one and only thing that determines the outcome in a fight is simple...healing ability. Who ever has more wins period. End of Story.


Jedi have triple the mind cost and triple the healing delay of either CM or Doc. it's a simple fact.





^^^ lmao that is total bullcrap



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Thassk
Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:43 am
#18








S0ldad0 wrote:
I will agree with you as long as we bring back premiums AND normal XP rates for Jedi.

2 choices fried:

1. Have your cake
2. Eat it

You cant do both.





i would agreeto this 100% if saber tef was reinstated, i honestly think sabre tef is a bit too extreme ..and DONT agree that itshould be instated


but i also agree something has to be done about jedi hijacking the galactic civil war ... the only viable guilds in the GCW these days are guilds with HUGE jedi numbers ..


at least when we BH had gank squads and names on the terminal we could help control jedi ganking in the GCW pvp

Message Edited by Thassk on 09-01-2005 10:27 PM



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Gohma_Manovich
Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:02 am
#19

saber tef would only work if its done fairly not the crap it used to be



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WookieOgre
Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:06 am
#20

Saber TEF would mean a bump in power overall to the Jedi profession. I'm sure you all don't want that, right?


If Jedi was removed from the GCW, what would you have? The same people in the same groups except now they are all the same cookie cutterRifleman with CM healingtemplates........you feel much better dieing to this group than a bunch of Jedi? Why exactly? Because it's better to die from a non-glowing sword? Jedi has been balanced for combat, people can solo Jedi with the right template. Some Jedi templates are extremely hard to take down JUST like some non-Jedi templates are extremely hard to take down. If you look at it skill by skill and compare Jedi to non-Jedi there is no way you can come to conclusion that Jedi is overpowered currently. Sure Jedi can make a nice lightshow but if you have the right equipment, that being maxed out Rifle (capped damage, sac, with low speed)/Recon 8k with 75% Armor Break resist slice, there is no way you should be complaining about Jedi. Specially since I'd guess that half of them have such sub-par sabers they are using what is the equivalent of a level 40 weapon against you.


marc-anthony
Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:24 am
#21

Jedi is overpowered and if they were taken out of the GCW I may actually play in it.

Everytime I have declared in the past all i see is -Cloak- "you have been defeated....." Where would you like to clone?

I would love to fight normal players, even if they were riflemen/CMs


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RingSting_IOM
Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:34 am
#22







WookieOgre wrote:

Saber TEF would mean a bump in power overall to the Jedi profession. I'm sure you all don't want that, right?


If Jedi was removed from the GCW, what would you have? The same people in the same groups except now they are all the same cookie cutterRifleman with CM healingtemplates........you feel much better dieing to this group than a bunch of Jedi? Why exactly? Because it's better to die from a non-glowing sword? Jedi has been balanced for combat, people can solo Jedi with the right template. Some Jedi templates are extremely hard to take down JUST like some non-Jedi templates are extremely hard to take down. If you look at it skill by skill and compare Jedi to non-Jedi there is no way you can come to conclusion that Jedi is overpowered currently. Sure Jedi can make a nice lightshow but if you have the right equipment, that being maxed out Rifle (capped damage, sac, with low speed)/Recon 8k with 75% Armor Break resist slice, there is no way you should be complaining about Jedi. Specially since I'd guess that half of them have such sub-par sabers they are using what is the equivalent of a level 40 weapon against you.








I must have missed it, what elite proffession can I get the same defences as a master defender?



I would play the GCW more if there were no Jedi invloved.





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WookieOgre
Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:46 am
#23






RingSting_IOM wrote:







WookieOgre wrote:

Saber TEF would mean a bump in power overall to the Jedi profession. I'm sure you all don't want that, right?


If Jedi was removed from the GCW, what would you have? The same people in the same groups except now they are all the same cookie cutterRifleman with CM healingtemplates........you feel much better dieing to this group than a bunch of Jedi? Why exactly? Because it's better to die from a non-glowing sword? Jedi has been balanced for combat, people can solo Jedi with the right template. Some Jedi templates are extremely hard to take down JUST like some non-Jedi templates are extremely hard to take down. If you look at it skill by skill and compare Jedi to non-Jedi there is no way you can come to conclusion that Jedi is overpowered currently. Sure Jedi can make a nice lightshow but if you have the right equipment, that being maxed out Rifle (capped damage, sac, with low speed)/Recon 8k with 75% Armor Break resist slice, there is no way you should be complaining about Jedi. Specially since I'd guess that half of them have such sub-par sabers they are using what is the equivalent of a level 40 weapon against you.








I must have missed it, what elite proffession can I get the same defences as a master defender?



I would play the GCW more if there were no Jedi invloved.








See that is the problem. I knew the complaints were about one discipline from Jedi, Defender.


Guess what, the thing you are complaining about actually is better on NON-JEDI. Take a stacked Melee template and they have the same and possibly even moredefenses than a Defender. People complain they can't hit a Defender or when they do it's for such low damage.....tell me do you ever PvP against melee templates? They have the same defenses and infact better armor protection than a Master Defender! They can also have more ranged/melee defenses overall if they want.


There is one and only one thing that makes a Defender stand out compared to a normal melee template, valor. With MLS and valor you can block a lot of ranged shots (a lot meaning 50% chance for limited time that has to be continuously activated with Aura). Funny how this is never a complaint because Jedi rarely use this in a fight. Most complain just because they can absorb so much damage.....strangehow non-Jedi are actually better at that.

Vshbaa
Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:50 am
#24






RingSting_IOM wrote:







WookieOgre wrote:

Saber TEF would mean a bump in power overall to the Jedi profession. I'm sure you all don't want that, right?


If Jedi was removed from the GCW, what would you have? The same people in the same groups except now they are all the same cookie cutterRifleman with CM healingtemplates........you feel much better dieing to this group than a bunch of Jedi? Why exactly? Because it's better to die from a non-glowing sword? Jedi has been balanced for combat, people can solo Jedi with the right template. Some Jedi templates are extremely hard to take down JUST like some non-Jedi templates are extremely hard to take down. If you look at it skill by skill and compare Jedi to non-Jedi there is no way you can come to conclusion that Jedi is overpowered currently. Sure Jedi can make a nice lightshow but if you have the right equipment, that being maxed out Rifle (capped damage, sac, with low speed)/Recon 8k with 75% Armor Break resist slice, there is no way you should be complaining about Jedi. Specially since I'd guess that half of them have such sub-par sabers they are using what is the equivalent of a level 40 weapon against you.








I must have missed it, what elite proffession can I get the same defences as a master defender?





TKM is comparable. Add in Swordsman and 4000 Doctor and you can murder a lot of Jedi.



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SpecWar1
Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:59 am
#25






marc-anthony wrote:
Jedi is overpowered and if they were taken out of the GCW I may actually play in it.

Everytime I have declared in the past all i see is -Cloak- "you have been defeated....." Where would you like to clone?

I would love to fight normal players, even if they were riflemen/CMs




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Bingo.... This is the MAIN issue on everyones mind. Can we get a freaking GCW going for the NORMALS.



There are so many JEDI right now that they fight umongst themselves with hardly no normals involved. Why not seperate them from the normals and allow for the normals to get back into the GCW?


Because Jedi love killing NORMALS? There has to be a better reasoning then this? I understand that even JEDI have to have a game to play. But as of right now they are the only ones playing in the GCW! They police the GCW without even realizing it. This is not the JEDI fault but the GAME DESIGN fault! The players are playing the way it was intended to play. Not their faults. Some might defend their existance because HEY if I was playing a game and someone told me that I couldnt do something or was going to be excluded I too would be offended.


But the bottom line is this game is in termoil. Maybe the JEDI players dont realize it, or see the bigger picture. Jedi need to be seperated some how and allowed to continue to battle but allowing for the NORMALS to have a chance at playing the game that was ever so slowly taken away from them. So when the JEDI say "hey I dont want to be excluded," My answer to them is, "Neither did we THE NORMALS but it happened anyway."


All in all I hope they find a peaceful solution to this issue and fast. I grow tired of this problem and its been like this for how long? about a year?Thats a long time to be faced with the same problem day in and day out.



MasterGettingOnTerms
Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:01 am
#26

I would agree with this if we had the strength of Patch 9 Jedi. You know, spamming Dervish, premium pearls back, 85% saber block back, that'll make saber tef fair.



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