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Thread: TANKS, plz read Publish 20 How it should be to keep jedi hidden and everybody happy (even jedi)!
ALARIA wrote:
Make BH and Jedi templates equal, then we can talk about BH penalties. The dev's penalize us every chance they get and according to Pub 20 its gonna continue. Im not saying Jedi are as uber as they were pre-CU, or even all that much better than a lot of BH templates, but it still is a superior template. And with the penalties for Jedi having gone from perma-death and instant TEF to some XP loss, no pvppenalty and regular TEF'si dont understand where you find theyve nerfed things all that much. Dont get me started on Kashyyyk and saber damage increases. I think theyve been making things pretty accomadating for Jedi actually. Forcing 1 on 1 against a template that in theory is 1.5 is kind of a contradiction if you ask me, but theyre doing it.
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What a cool notion!
Now all you have to do is lobby for BH to have exactly the same super expensive grind that Jedi do, including things like being hunted to periodicly Lose hard won exp at the hands of another. Thats fair, right?
Hey, you want total equality? it has to come with the totaly Equal package.
Other wise, you dont have equality, you have One sided advantage.
Pretty much the way its been up till patch 20.
But dont worry, sabers do less dammage than guns, (mine does 700) cost 100x more, ( i tuned 130 mil in pearls for not One single perfect tune.) and count as energy. (for which every thing and its mother has defense now.)
And now decent pearls dont drop for the jedi newbs at all.
So if you lobby for you changes and get to be equal, you will still have that advantage over us. one of many.
Not every jedi aspires to be a MLS/ M-DEF.
Im not, and I get waxxed by BH regularly, and my temp is almost done. So much for 1.5
Hope this has helped to enlighten you dear. ALARIA.
I do agree with the grind aspect. I dont think a Jedi template should have penalties as welll as the huge grind, but yet be equal to other templates without that. I'd be more than willing to do the same thing as long as my template could be improved to = a Jedi, and i could continue to use pistols rather than a lightsaber. This brings in the hero or elite-elite profs that have been proposed in other threads. I personally would love it. If FS skills could be learned, and actually useful to improve my template, id be all for the grind. As it is now, i couldnt spare anymore SP's for FS boxes, and they dont really improve much anyway.
As far as lightsabers doing less damage than guns though, ill have to disagree there. Jedi friends of mine do damn near the same damage as i do in PvE, and far outdamage me in PvP. The damage i can do to a Jedi with 70 innate armor is a joke, and thats if i hit him which less than 1/4 of the time.I'mMPistoleer/MBH. I should be able tohit a Jedi thats standingstill directly in front of me, at optimum range, at least 1 out of 2 or 3 times. But i cant, ive tested many times.In order for any regular template to compete, they also need to spend ridiculous amounts of money for accuracy attachments, weapons and all the rest of it.
But anyway, i do agree. In order to be equal, so should the grind and the penalties. I would love the opportunity. If you can get SOE to go along, id love it.
Message Edited by dezi on 07-18-2005 10:27 AM
3. BH dies to jedi results in losing PP's. The tougher the mission the LESS PPs lost (ie die to a paddy and lose a heap of PP's, die to a master (post FRS) and only lose a few). This way, if a BH loses enough PPs, he can no longer take PvP bounties, and must accumulate more PPs on PvE bounties first."
This is actually a pretty good idea. Some other things to the PP system could be like this:
1. Taking the same jedi more than once every "x" number of times results in PP loss.
2. Setting PP levels so that once you reach a certain level (after killing so many paddys/knights/etc.) makes it so that if you continue to kill paddies, you gain fewer and fewer PP's (kinda like the xp system) or even lose prestige points after a while.
3. Once you reach a certain PP level, you gain an "elite BH" status and can start going for the Jedi Masters (once FRS returns), and even can group with other elites to take down the Masters.
I think this would work to prevent the "bottom feeders" and actually give BH's a reason to hunt the full templates and masters.
BamaDan78 wrote:
1. Taking the same jedi more than once every "x" number of times results in PP loss.
2. Setting PP levels so that once you reach a certain level (after killing so many paddys/knights/etc.) makes it so that if you continue to kill paddies, you gain fewer and fewer PP's (kinda like the xp system) or even lose prestige points after a while.
3. Once you reach a certain PP level, you gain an "elite BH" status and can start going for the Jedi Masters (once FRS returns), and even can group with other elites to take down the Masters.
I think this would work to prevent the "bottom feeders" and actually give BH's a reason to hunt the full templates and masters.
WNxDoobie wrote:
ok, this visibilty thing is a perty lame until i saw #3 because if im understanding this right the more they kill things with people or NPC's near they will get higher Visibility and that means that they will have to be good to get that high and then they will get theyre name posted which will allow the group level. Im kind of 2 sided about this,BUT whats bull is this prestige points effecting the PvE-PvP hunts. PP shuld not lower, just go up. and if im right the PvE are gonna be LOW PP gained because they are essentially pretty easy bounties to collect. And if you have low PP because your template just doesnt cut it to take out a good jedi you wont be able to take out a jedi untill, you smash out a ton ofNPC targets. But PP used to perks sound kool.It also encourages the BH-jedi quarrel, also your PP "rating" if i may say kind of decides your skill as a bounty hunter. But that still shouldnt block you from taking a player Jedi. Those are my thoughts, reap and weep yall. the lameness has started?
Yes, you understand the vis concept correctly. Jedi that are good enough to consistently defeat solo BH will eventually become notorious, and will have a large named bounty on the terms, allowing a group of BH to take them on. This, coupled with my proposed 'de-buff' for negative xp (perhaps only for full temp??), should ensure that all jedi, no matter what template/level will have something to fear/lose from gaining vis. It also ensures that the full temp/good PvPers still have a challenge to enjoy.
As far as PPs are concerned, I just liked the idea of having something tangible to lose as a BH. Nothing as serious as jedi, because we are not an alpha class, and so should stand to lose less than them, but something none-the-less. Remeber, if you are killed by a 'master' (post FRSobviously) you will only lose a very few PP's. You only stand to lose a lot of PPs if you are killed by a paddy. I also don't propose that many PvE successes would be required to get enough PP's to hunt jedi, but I do like the idea that there is some sort of penalty for consistently losing. If nothing else, the jedi debuff and the BH PP loss together should prevent the formation of 'fight-clubs', etc. Otherwise I could forsee full temp jedi (currently with nothing to lose from death) allowing themselves to be killed by their BH friend to help them get PP's. whilst if the new FRS has anything at all to do with BHvJedi combat results, BH (currently with nothing to lose) allowing themsleves to be killed by their jedi friends to help boost their FRS rating. The penalties I suggest should prevent this sort of thing from happening.
This is an extremely well-thought-out and sensible system that I think would work very well for everyone and give both BH and Jedi more content and more fun.
...which is precisely why it will never go anywhere beyond this forum :/
Diamond621 wrote:
This is an extremely well-thought-out and sensible system that I think would work very well for everyone and give both BH and Jedi more content and more fun.
...which is precisely why it will never go anywhere beyond this forum :/
I wish they didn't, but your comments have that distincitve ring of truth to them 
I posted the same ideas on the jedi forum, and amazingly both jedi and BH seem to like them! I didn't think it was really possible for these 2 sets of players to agree on something!
Maybe Tanks and the jedi corr might read them and push them forward to the devs to consider?
Then again, maybe pigs will fly over the freezing watelands of hell
Kaldran wrote:
Then again, maybe pigs will fly over the freezing watelands of hell
I think I've got one of those Hoth style jackets somewhere, but I'm prob safe leaving it in storage for the moment..........
Diamond621 wrote:
Kaldran wrote:
Then again, maybe pigs will fly over the freezing watelands of hell
*chuckle*. You never know. Better bring a jacket on your next visit just in case
God i love if onlythe devs had enough sense to use 
Just as a side note for you all to get a good giggle from. Im a MCH/respec MBH it goes good with ch and i always wanted to hunt jedi. now not the best (or even a fair lol) template for hunting jedi but i figure i could take a 200k jedi not that i have been able to find out though they seem to be very frightened of my 3 narglatches, i have had no fewer than 10 200k - 211k jedis flee with in the first 5 secs of the cats chomping them now since im useing my spare points in cm healing what would you guys recomend those points being put in to incourage my marks to stick around long enough for me to kill them LOL. just thought you might get a laugh over jedis running from a MCH.
RhaSedi wrote:
God i love if onlythe devs had enough sense to use
Just as a side note for you all to get a good giggle from. Im a MCH/respec MBH it goes good with ch and i always wanted to hunt jedi. now not the best (or even a fair lol) template for hunting jedi but i figure i could take a 200k jedi not that i have been able to find out though they seem to be very frightened of my 3 narglatches, i have had no fewer than 10 200k - 211k jedis flee with in the first 5 secs of the cats chomping them
