Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Why not force jedis to follow the rules instead?
So, all the noobs get what they want? Is that what u r saying?? Well, I would have to agree it certainly looks that way. The Devs dont give a flying f**k about any one else if they do not want to be a Jedi. Especially us who have put in far too many hours and commitement to this game to have it all thrown back in our faces like thisI agree, everyone wants to be a stinking Jedi, so, lets all make it as easy as possible for them, then, if it is possible to have even more Jedi thanthere already are running around acting like utter planks then thats good? right? Devs? Thats good isn't it??
It is ridiculous, all their whining about how hard it is blah blah blah, and all they do is stand around doing nothing except for show off (they think we are impressed) I saw 5-6 Jedi at Bestine yesterday, all waiting for spec ops and ganking them one by one - no, it wasn't a big faction fight, just the odd one or two arriving..oh and killing every NPC in sight. So this is what they wanted to have it easy for is it?? And how many times do I have to get abuse thrown at me via /tells after a hunt gone bad by some utter child (one of which actually said he was 15 and I got all the 'ha ha ha u got pwn'd by a kid' and the same one was /telling me that I was a 'stub'!!?? Well, now that BH has been decimated and I am utterlt P***ed off with the Devs for being so damn ignorent I think I will quit.
Just one question for the Devs. Why couldnt you just REDUCE or STOP the jedi xp loss??? I would rather have it the old way and have have that than what you gits have done to us. All this trouble when you lot could ahve just done something so damn easy, I mean, the Jedi will have no probs losing xp now any way, no one will hunt them. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??? 
Message Edited by Quiet420 on 07-20-2005 01:41 PM
foz200315 wrote:
It is ridiculous, all their whining about how hard it is blah blah blah, and all they do is stand around doing nothing except for show off (they think we are impressed) I saw 5-6 Jedi at Bestine yesterday, all waiting for spec ops and ganking them one by one - no, it wasn't a big faction fight, just the odd one or two arriving..oh and killing every NPC in sight. So this is what they wanted to have it easy for is it?? And how many times do I have to get abuse thrown at me via /tells after a hunt gone bad by some utter child (one of which actually said he was 15 and I got all the 'ha ha ha u got pwn'd by a kid' and the same one was /telling me that I was a 'stub'!!?? Well, now that BH has been decimated and I am utterlt P***ed off with the Devs for being so damn ignorent I think I will quit.
Just one question for the Devs. Why couldnt you just REDUCE or STOP the jedi xp loss??? I would rather have it the old way and have have that than what you gits have done to us. All this trouble when you lot could ahve just done something so damn easy, I mean, the Jedi will have no probs losing xp now any way, no one will hunt them. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY???
TheMadCoder wrote:
foz200315 wrote:
It is ridiculous, all their whining about how hard it is blah blah blah, and all they do is stand around doing nothing except for show off (they think we are impressed) I saw 5-6 Jedi at Bestine yesterday, all waiting for spec ops and ganking them one by one - no, it wasn't a big faction fight, just the odd one or two arriving..oh and killing every NPC in sight. So this is what they wanted to have it easy for is it?? And how many times do I have to get abuse thrown at me via /tells after a hunt gone bad by some utter child (one of which actually said he was 15 and I got all the 'ha ha ha u got pwn'd by a kid' and the same one was /telling me that I was a 'stub'!!?? Well, now that BH has been decimated and I am utterlt P***ed off with the Devs for being so damn ignorent I think I will quit.
Just one question for the Devs. Why couldnt you just REDUCE or STOP the jedi xp loss??? I would rather have it the old way and have have that than what you gits have done to us. All this trouble when you lot could ahve just done something so damn easy, I mean, the Jedi will have no probs losing xp now any way, no one will hunt them. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY???
You only say 5-6 at Bestine yesterday? Wow, you must be on a very low population server.
The only way I support reducing or stopping the Jedi XP loss is by bringing back permadeath. There MUST be a penalty for being the 1.5 "alpha" class.
I agree. Now if only we can find a 1.5 times profession to apply it to.
TheMadCoder wrote:
Krydall wrote:
I haven't experienced enough of the BH vs. Jedi stuff to comment on it, so I won't... But what I will say is that I hope that now that ep3 has come and gone, "Jedi Fever" will slowly die down to moremanageable levels (though I state the obvious when I say that it'll never die out completely) and SOE won't feel the need to pander to the masses anymore.
This is highly doubtful. Jedi are the uber "alpha" profession in this game. The devs have even said that they're one and one-half times better than a full template combat profession. "Jedi fever" isn't going anywhere, I'm afraid. There will always be a significant number of players that simply want to play the uber class. I'm sure some of us know about bards or tamers in UO of old days, or traders in AO, and the list goes on. There is always "well, I've put in more time and work," which is complete BS - as this simply rewards people with no lives, no work, no school, etc. Jedi is not HARD, it's just long and BORING. In fact, it's pretty damned easy if you have friends. Besides, you can now /afk grind Jedi. It's getting really, really stupid.
No, Jedi fever isn't going anywhere.
First of all, I had some very bad images of a new Spike Lee film after I re-read my post about "Jedi Fever"... Ahem...
I don't think it's bad to have Jedi's as being so uber. I mean, Lucas didn't think "gameplay balance" when he made this stuff up, after all! What's bad is the fact that there's so many, and that it's more a grind than a challenge (as you've said) to get it. I offer no potential solution that hasn't been offered umpteen times before.
In the end, I play the game as it is, because I have only have one alternative - cancellation. And as long as I enjoy the game at least as much as I would've enjoyed spending my monthly subscription fee on something else, I'll try to focus on the positives.
-Krydall
Jargal wrote:
Publ 20 is only a result of jedi whining. All these changes are from the jedi-wish list on the jedi forum, check for yourself if you dont belive me.Jedi has cried it's too hard to be and become jedi for very long now. And the devs has caved in time after time, and I sure hope this was the last time they got soft. It's really horrible thye can whine so much that the devs go and completely ruin an other profession for thier sake.Aren't they at all afraid we shall quit the miserable game and leave the jedi alone on a galaxy full of only jedi? Aren't our money we pay to play this crap as good as jedi players money are?I just ask myself wouldn't it havebe easier to inform jedi players to follow the rules and stay discreet and off the terms? Woulnd't it have been easier to say - do as we (devs) advice you to do or face the consequenses?Wouldn't it have been easier to just say - if you can't face these regulations to become jedi - try some other profession?If you (the devs) had done this - you wouldn't have a crisis on your hands today. You wouldn't have an overpopulation of jedis.And you would have a popualtion of jedi players that were actaually really, really comitted to play jedi. No kids would have been able to pull that off. And regular professions would be the ordinary thing, not as it is today - Jedi as THE regular profession.But instead you (the devs)cave in and let the whole player community suffer due to that one (1) profession whines. There are so many other professions people wants to play in the SW universe. Far from all are actaually intrested in going jedi - do we all have to suffer for some wants to go jedi?Let them have it a hard time becomming jedi who actually wants it. Let them face solitude and an extreme long grind (all can grind solo, it just takes longer time). Let them face consequenses if they fail to follow the rules for being jedi. Let them feel puishments for AFK exploit grinding and fight clubbing and such. Only honorable and good players should be allowed jedi profession.And above all - LET THE REST OF US BE UNAFFECTED OF THIER WHINING!!And if it means no jedi missions -so let it be. You (the devs) dont seem to want us to hunt them anyway.Message Edited by Jargal on 07-20-2005 09:18 AM
I agree. Though I don't really think that making things more difficult for a profession that is designed to make another player's grind more difficult, I would agree that there MUST be some penalty in game for those who show off and act like 10 year olds.
I'm not sure whether the current patch addresses these things at all. Unfortunately, it really only addresses those who might get vis from legitimate things like trials (where NPCs are involved) in the same way as the hot dogs dueling in the starports.
If I were to give the forum posters my online name, I can pretty much guarantee that NO ONE knows that I'm a jedi. I've kept my grind very secret, grinding at least 2km from the nearest city/outpost/player city, with no AFK or cave grinds. I don't wear robes or have a saber equipped in public. In other words: I follow the "rules".
There should be more penalty to those who do not.
TheMadCoder wrote:
dezi wrote:
TheMadCoder wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Wait until Pub 21 before passing judgement. I have an incling they're going to give us a boost against Jedi. Just a guess, but I'd say it a good one.
Well no one hopes more that youre right than me. But based on my experience with SOE, Jedi and the developers actions towards the game, id say there is no way in hell that publish 21, or any publish for that matter will effectively level the playing field. It is get a Jedi, stand on the sideline, or find a way to enjoy the game otherwise. I havent seen any evidence to the contrary, and with every publish, this is getting more reinforced. Not to be a pessimist or anything.
Well, I've written in other posts that they can give us boosts, without making us a 1.5 profession, simply give us skills such as:
+5 sabre defense per block
+5 force defense per block
+5 cloak detection per block
(this numbers are irrelevent, but you get the general idea.)
This wouldn't effect us against any other profession in the game, but would give most bounty hunters a chance again full template defenders...
This is the 2nd time in this thread that you've said Jedi aren't 1.5x a full template profession. This has been stated plenty of times. Where does it state that they're on even par with everyone else? You said the devs said this in a previous post. Where?
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
I agree. Now if only we can find a 1.5 times profession to apply it to.
No, I never said that. Read it again.
TheMadCoder wrote:
This is the 2nd time in this thread that you've said Jedi aren't 1.5x a full template profession. This has been stated plenty of times. Where does it state that they're on even par with everyone else? You said the devs said this in a previous post. Where?
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
I agree. Now if only we can find a 1.5 times profession to apply it to.
I said: The devs have even said that they're one and one-half times better than a full template combat profession.
You said: Those days are long gone, so you can give up that line.
I said: There MUST be a penalty for being the 1.5 "alpha" class.
You said: I agree. Now if only we can find a 1.5 times profession to apply it to.
Glingal wrote:
JEDI ARE ON A 1 TO 1 BASIS, MEANING GRINDING FOR ABOUT 2 MONTHS (ever since CU) WILL GET YOU TO BE THE SAME AS A CM/BH (grindable in 3 days)QUIT COMPLAINING.
You must really suck with your Jedi if you believe that.
TheMadCoder wrote:
I said: The devs have even said that they're one and one-half times better than a full template combat profession.
You said: Those days are long gone, so you can give up that line.
I said: There MUST be a penalty for being the 1.5 "alpha" class.
You said: I agree. Now if only we can find a 1.5 times profession to apply it to.
I've re-read it lots of times. I've clearly stated that the devs have said that Jedi are a 1.5 profession. You are clearly in contrast to that (meaning: you are saying the devs - who are the only official source here - aren't saying Jedi are 1.5) Where are you getting this information?
YOUR corrospondant.