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Thread: offering rides, load camping and mobilhomes cheating or fair?

Camrux
Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:32 am
#14


Offering rides - offering a ride to a jedi friend to get them away from a BH, spamming offer rides to BHs to distract, or using offer ride on special forces to get them away from hostiles.


This is not an exploit in my book, the BH can use a knockdown attack to get them out of the vehicle. I would however like to see that if a ride was offered that the vehicle becomes TEF'ed so that the person doing it would have some risk in the matter. It may not be exploiting but it is on the cheezy side of things.


People spamming rides is another matter entirely, first off this isn't thier fight so stay out of it, secondly it is harrasment pain and simple.


Load camping - sitting at load zone at a starport and hitting a hot target as soon as targetable.


Weaksauce, at least wait for them to move about before hitting them. Most people on Bria do wait, but some do not.


Mobile homes - dropping homes while grinding to always to have a safe house within 100m.


Exploit, I would like to see a timer added to houses where they cannot be declared private until they are 4 server hours old. This would end the "Bob the Builder" Jedi using them as mobile homes. The TEF change in Publish 20 should help this a little if a BH can get a long range shot off before the Jedi reaches the trailer park.






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Warryyr
Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:15 am
#15

100% fair.


But loadcamping is a cheap tactic. But fair. It happens.


A BH's job is to kill a Jedi. It's a Jedi's job to not be killed.


There's nothing against building a house or getting a ride from someone in the game. It's just yet another couple entries in the string of shouts of "Exploit!" that has people all in a tizzy lately. Next month it will be something else, I can already see Cloak becoming the next hot topic in the soap opera "All My Jedi."


jimm2k
Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:27 am
#16




mindspat wrote:





  1. Offearing rides - offering a ride to a jedi friend to get them away from a BH, spamming offer rides to BHs to distract, or using offer ride on special forces to get them away from hostiles.

  2. Load camping - sitting at load zone at a starport and hitting a hot target as soon as targetable.

  3. Mobile homes - dropping homes while grinding to always to have a safe house within 100m.




1. i think it is ok to offer and/or accept rides as long as the vehicle becomes attackable by the bh


2. i think this is a gay practice that many a jedi do at places like theed starport while they are overt. even though i think this is gay what game mechanic cn be changed so that we will no longer be load killed?


3. i think that a tef should be placed on every player that attacks something for 2.5 - 5 minutes so that they cannot enter a structure





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Dallow
Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:44 am
#17





Dlek_Krego wrote:
My thoughts (as also posted in our forums)...

Offer ride to Jedi friend to rescue: not an exploit or grief, but good use of a game mechanic.
Offer ride to spam a BH's window while in combat: exploit, and griefing tactic.

Load Camping: not sure about exploit, but I'm sure it's a griefing tactic.

Dropping a mobile home: May be considered cheap, but again, a good use of a game mechanic. If a player has lots available, they are his lots do do with as he pleases, even if it means bringing a safe house wherever he roams.




I agree with this jedi. Has that sentence ever been posted on this forum?

Message Edited by Dallow on 07-08-2005 08:45 AM



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Nematocyzed
Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:46 am
#18

mindspat wrote:
  • Mobile homes: I've felt this is a grey area. My take was if it's considered a perminent structure that is avaible on a siad planet and is regularily occupied by either loot, furniture or just as a safe house then it's OK. I disagree with dropping a house at ever lair. I feel this is an unexcusable tactic that's intended to creat an unfair advantage by dissallowing a BH to engage their target. I have used both and I believe I've dropped a "mh" on 3 or 4 occasions. It's not much although once I was personally able to identify it as an innocent attempt to cheat I disscouage it although I prefer a perminent structure on a planet that is stretegically placed in a general grinding area that can be accessed any day of the week.

    • Woudl love some opinions here.

    Thanks!





    there is nothing gray about what you said. Dropping a house at wherever you are hunting/grinding is an exploit.

    Kaldran
    Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:49 am
    #19

    As things stand, none of these actions are actually cheating or exploiting because none of them is possible due to a bug:


    1. Jedi using offer ride to escape: The devs say they haven't decided if this counts as a 'helpful action' or not. I guess they're a bit slow? For the moment, it is perfectly legit, but imo it should be declared a 'helpful action' and no longer be possible. I think that is actually pretty obvious. Spamming offer ride at a BH is just plain harassment.


    2. Load camping. Its a lame way to get a kill, but what can be done about it? Perhaps if it was outlawed in the TOS and was then reportable, it could be got rid of, but a difficult one to prove in any case. (Did the BH know that the Jedi was loading, or did he just happen to turn up while the jedi was loading and attack unknowingly, etc)


    3. Mobile homes: Totally legit as the rules stand. I would like to see only a house that has been a declared residence for 24-48hrs already being useable as a safe house. Yes, jedi need somewhere to run to, they need their haven, but being able to pull it out of their pocket wherever they want to grind? not really in the spirit of the game I don't think.


    So, to sum up, ppl doing any of the above at the moment are not cheating or exploiting, but they are using a pretty lame tactic imho. I hope my suggested changes are all put into effect.





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    jimm2k
    Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:54 am
    #20




    Kaldran wrote:3. Mobile homes: Totally legit as the rules stand. I would like to see only a house that has been a declared residence for 24-48hrs already being useable as a safe house. Yes, jedi need somewhere to run to, they need their haven, but being able to pull it out of their pocket wherever they want to grind? not really in the spirit of the game I don't think.

    i think that is a great idea




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    TheVeryBadDay
    Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:58 am
    #21

    jimm2k wrote:

    Kaldran wrote:3. Mobile homes: Totally legit as the rules stand. I would like to see only a house that has been a declared residence for 24-48hrs already being useable as a safe house. Yes, jedi need somewhere to run to, they need their haven, but being able to pull it out of their pocket wherever they want to grind? not really in the spirit of the game I don't think.
    i think that is a great idea



    ...and will probably lead to an underground railroad on every server.
    Kaldran
    Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:02 am
    #22




    TheVeryBadDay wrote:




    jimm2k wrote:




    Kaldran wrote:3. Mobile homes: Totally legit as the rules stand. I would like to see only a house that has been a declared residence for 24-48hrs already being useable as a safe house. Yes, jedi need somewhere to run to, they need their haven, but being able to pull it out of their pocket wherever they want to grind? not really in the spirit of the game I don't think.

    i think that is a great idea






    ...and will probably lead to an underground railroad on every server.


    lol. u r most likely right. But at least it would be a little more real. If the jedi has a network of friends that can put him on the access list of their declared residence, then fine, but they can't do the 'pull a house out of my pocket and run in it' trick as soon as they get spooked. If there is already a declared res there and they use it, fairplay.




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    MikeHeXt
    Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:06 am
    #23
    Negative, Dropping a house is not an exploit. You have the lots. It's an acceptable space, besides, ganking Padiwans should be an exploit if house dropping is.



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    RebsBeware
    Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:07 am
    #24
    1) offerride is damn annoying, its true. however, as pointed out, they cant heal in a ride, so i kind of like it, as a cm / bh. my dots tick them down to nothing, and i follow them in my swoop on a 15 sec delay and get a simple one shot incap once i catch up. its irritating in pvp, but as a jedi/bh tactic I kind of appreciate the other player giving my dots a free ride to drop the jedi to 1hp for me.


    2) load killing is utterly fair in pvp. its war. if you are overt you are asking to be attacked, you chose to be attackable. if you are stupid enough to load in blind to somewhere without getting a covert to scout it out, you deserve death. if you have no scout and are stupid enough to load into a killzone (starport) instead of loading into an unused starport (there is one on every planet) and then shuttling into the uncovered shuttle areas of your final destination(theed for example has 3) then you deserve death. load killing a jedi? if you are ever insanely lucky enough to have a jedi load in next to you as you wander about a sp that you have a mission on then happy days. not entirely fair on the jedi, but tough, its the bh's good fortune. plus, although you see an attackable mark as they load in, you are held from attacking them till they are loaded in, you never get more than 2-3 secs before they are aware and going for it, this is similar to the bh forst strike advantage anyway, and thereforemeans little.


    3)mobile homes. again, irritating as hell, not in the spirit, but perfectly acceptable. i wouldnt want to lose a few hours grinding in xp either, if you are weak and know it, then use a house by all means. i dont like it as a bh, i just sit outside till they log, and deny them the xp that way, but i dont blame a jedi for it, its just a slightly unsavoury use of a normal game mechanic.



    Basically none of the above are cheating, just a bit annoying. but perfectly fair. it does make me less inclined to treat the jedi with respect, but it doesnt make me think any less of them than i already do (poxy glowbat wielding wooses ....).



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    bmill
    Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:12 am
    #25

    I carry a small house for each planet in my backpack. While I am out hunting a Jedi and spook him into a building, I'll stand there an watch him for a few minutes. Usually there any number of friends around and I've been banned. I'll drive off in the general direction of the closest shuttle I can use and then cut a 90 degree turn about 500m from the closest player who saw me leave. Then I'll drop one of my houses, run inside and wait for the jedi to come out. The advantage of this is that when looking for me on the overhead map, the jedi's friends will have to drive right on top of my house to see that I'm in it. It does add a measure of secrecy to where I am.


    I feel that this is no different than me not being able to find a suitable location to drop a house an hitting /cover to "disappear"





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    mindspat
    Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:12 am
    #26




    Nematocyzed wrote:




    mindspat wrote:



  • Mobile homes: I've felt this is a grey area. My take was if it's considered a perminent structure that is avaible on a siad planet and is regularily occupied by either loot, furniture or just as a safe house then it's OK. I disagree with dropping a house at ever lair. I feel this is an unexcusable tactic that's intended to creat an unfair advantage by dissallowing a BH to engage their target. I have used both and I believe I've dropped a "mh" on 3 or 4 occasions. It's not much although once I was personally able to identify it as an innocent attempt to cheat I disscouage it although I prefer a perminent structure on a planet that is stretegically placed in a general grinding area that can be accessed any day of the week.


      • Woudl love some opinions here.


      Thanks!








      there is nothing gray about what you said. Dropping a house at wherever you are hunting/grinding is an exploit.




      Gawd! Just re-read my post and damn my poor spelling and gramar.


      This issue will obviously be fixed in Pub20 and this should clear up quite a bit of the jedi/bh issues being impossed upon Bountyhunter missions. Hnag in there about the name and skillpoint removal. I'm betting it works nicely for all BHs.






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