Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: The Good and The Bad about Pub 20
I RP too and to me the mission decay isn't the real deterent here, but the removal of names is. I mean if we knew the names of the Jedi then we could "stalk" them for a few days and repick the mission again, but now there's no way to do that.
DathylBran wrote:
Mosuger wrote:
I like mission decay-only people mad about this are the ones holding their own missions. If you cant kill a mark in 3 days or less you need a new profession anyway lol.
Not true. I like to study my Jedi for a few days (the hunt is what I like), get to know their habits. This completely removes the aspect of RPing (mmoRPG remember) an assassin. Along with removing names and payouts it's enough to make me quit. I utterly agree with faction on the terms, and MBH as the Jedi hunter though.
This makes absolutely no sense at all. It's simply fawning over theJedi whiners.
Agreed, taking the same Jedi mission again and again once you've killed them shouldn't be possible. But surely there is a better way of fixing it than this cak-handed rubbish.
I see there is an assassin class in Matrix Online. Although now SOE have bought that it's not going to be worth it.
Message Edited by DathylBran on 07-07-2005 05:04 PM
Spookibus wrote:
This adds a layer of inconvenience to your practice, to be sure, but it's a small one. Just because you get to the WP doesn't mean you have to attack. Once you see who your mark is, they can go on your friends' list, you can slink quietly away and get them later.
Mosuger wrote:
I RP too and to me the mission decay isn't the real deterent here, but the removal of names is. I mean if we knew the names of the Jedi then we could "stalk" them for a few days and repick the mission again, but now there's no way to do that.
Definitely, but a big one. Yeah I can get to the wp and see who it is. Watch him and try to note his habits, fav spots, etc. but the difference is that now I feel like I have to rush through my experience, otherwise it's a matter of hoping I get his mission sometime in the future and then looking through notes....not impossible, just a pain.
Corvett wrote:Bh's are also the strongest ELITE proffession and Jedi have been nerfed down to an ELITE class with just a few skills that allow them to get away.
Honestly, are you a BH and have you ever taken on a Jedi that is >210k? Next, given a random selection of a Jedi mission on the terminal, tell me what will the mission amount will be? Oh, and do this after group visibility is removed.
Point is, most Jedi's on the terms are just about full template Jedi on my server and they are NOT the push overs and are usually definitely 1.5 better than any other elite prof if not better. With group vis gone, the chances of pulling a full template Jedi will be very high. Being outclassed in every fight gets old fast.
This is why I bet once FRS comes out, full template padi's will see another nerf.
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Mosuger wrote:I don't like the mission terminal setup simply because now I don't know if my mark is a friend/guildie and frankly is going to just waste my time and money.
The mission will display the faction of the Jedi, so it should be easy to avoid your friends and guild mates, unless it is a mixed guild. If you happen to get a friend, at least you can let them know they have enough visibility to get on the terms.
Corvett wrote:
Makkaio wrote:
If this is your overall point, I agree that the majority of the vast minority of the playing population whine quite a bit. I am a miniorty of the vast minority.
Corvett wrote:
I love this patch. The ONLY reason why someone would want a name is to grief someone or to pick on low level Jedi only. This patch will seperate the Noobs from the skilled players. Bh's already get content from other players and the ONLY proffession who get this and have the Luxury of this without any risk! Not to mention now the Jedi is FORCED to fight now no matter what unless heis already in a private house.
No, this isn't theONLY reason. I formed very good sparring relationships with a number of jedi on my server and now I can't go in and pick out their missions. Not every BH vs. Jedi relationship is BAD as you would assume on these message boards. Not every Jedi feels that their profession is forced to PvP. Some jedi actually like being hunted and enjoy that part of the game. This takes a significant part of the game away from me and the Jedi that I role-play with.
You are among the minority. These boards are full of hate. Bh's are their own worse enemy. Any given time there are boards here claiming someone is cheating or needs to be nerfed or whatever.
I would agree I am among the minority of the 3-5% of people who actually post to these boards. I would disagree that I'm among the minority of the other 95-97% who play and do not participate on these boards. As we saw during the test phase of the CURB, the vocal minority was in full force on these boards. But the silent majority was giving the devs a much different picture through feedback in test.
Also, by what I said in my statement, how do you reach the conclusion that I'm in the minority? The jedi I've experienced on my server have been positive for the most part. There have been a few exceptions. I have a large network of Jedi friends and can tell you thatmost of them are NOT on these boards freaking out and whining.
Most people will not post unless the have a complaint, have information to share, request help or have something to sell. The silent minority that I speak of are the people who play and learn the game and don't spend their time on these boards.
Bh's are also the strongest ELITE proffession and Jedi have been nerfed down to an ELITE class with just a few skills that allow them to get away. Non-Jedi now out damage and out heal Jedi I mean come on people lets learn to beat them. I watch Non-Jedi kill Jedi easily now everyday. If you get beat by a jedi now you need to step back and take a look at your template cause they are no better than a normal melee class now and a melee class should not lose to a ranged person very often.
No. Max and close to max template Jedi are still more powerful than the strongest ELITE profession. Please don't mix a noob jedi or E-baydi with a strong template jedi, knight or someone who actually knows how to play their character. I fight full template and knight jedi all the time. Don't insult them by acting like they are just and ELITE profession.
Rifleman do more damage and so does Swordsman. CM's can heal waaaayyy better than any jedi can easily. Many many Bh's take out experienced jedi everyday on my server.
I take out experienced jedi everyday, and they take me out, too. If anyone could ever argue that things are balanced, it's me. However, I would agree with the design of the game that a full-template jedi is 1.5x better than a double master elite.
You're also talking semantics a bit here. It depends on template choices. Sure, a BH/MRifle may do more damage, but would rarely take out a master defender. So what if a CM can heal better than a jedi, a MBH/MCM is a template I wouldn't want to go after a knight with.
Jedi knew they would be hunted when they became Jedi, well Bh's knew it would be tough in doing so. Everyone knew this so all of you need to stop whineing or play a different profession.
I agree with this. More constructive posts and less destructive comments like your previous two points.
I am glad you agree here but you need to think thru your posts as well. Bh's do alot of whineing and just as much as Jedi. Look at these boards any given day and you will see threads full of hate, threads claiming jedi should be nerfed, or jedi are cheating and so forth. I have been a MBh way back when I had to walk to my targets and a jedi since BEFORE patch 10 as well. I know and see both sides.
The_Shruberer wrote:
Corvett wrote:
Some of you may not but the problem is Many Many Many do and all the hate threads have caused it.
Spookibus wrote:
DekkoFett wrote:
Ya, many Bounty Hunters use names for different reasons.
- Hunting Player Character placed Bounties.
- Not Hunting Known Jedi Friends.
- Not Hunting Jedi under 175k or something similar because they don't like wasting time on Padawans who drop in two hits..
- Not Hunting Jedi who always seem to be on Kashsyyk.
- Not Hunting a Jedi they've already killed in hopes of adding another dead Jedi to their list of names.
- Not Hunting Jedi who always ran away to a house, and/or Jedi who always seemed to be hiding in a house.
- Not Hunting Jedi who you were paid weekly not to hunt. ()
- Hunting Jedi that constantly show off their saber skills in major cities.
- Hunting Jedi you know will give you a challenge when you're in the mood for a good fight.
...List goes on.
Message Edited by DekkoFett on 07-07-2005 09:25 AM
I agree with you on every point.
I don't hunt Jedi to grief them, but I do like to try and go after the starport-duelling ones.
But after this patch, the ones that don't do that won't be on the terms nearly as much anyway.
Taken as a whole, as much as I hate to say it, I think this patch has more good than bad in it. There are some things that irritate me royally, but if we can get them out of the Ryatt Trail (instant visibility) to me that would be worth the trade offs.
Sir, maybe you were one of the Jedi that got griefed, but I have never personally heard of this type of greifing- ever from any bh on my server or on this forum.
ROFLMAO
No sir. Give me a link to a post where a bh killed a jedi over and over again for greifing reasons and ill step down. The afk one doesnt count.
Message Edited by The_Shruberer on 07-07-2005 02:06 PM
DekkoFett wrote:
Corvett wrote:
I love this patch. The ONLY reason why someone would want a name is to grief someone or to pick on low level Jedi only. This patch will seperate the Noobs from the skilled players. Bh's already get content from other players and the ONLY proffession who get this and have the Luxury of this without any risk! Not to mention now the Jedi is FORCED to fight now no matter what unless heis already in a private house.
Bh's are also the strongest ELITE proffession and Jedi have been nerfed down to an ELITE class with just a few skills that allow them to get away. Non-Jedi now out damage and out heal Jedi I mean come on people lets learn to beat them. I watch Non-Jedi kill Jedi easily now everyday. If you get beat by a jedi now you need to step back and take a look at your template cause they are no better than a normal melee class now and a melee class should not lose to a ranged person very often.
Jedi knew they would be hunted when they became Jedi, well Bh's knew it would be tough in doing so. Everyone knew this so all of you need to stop whineing or play a different profession.
Only reason eh? I personally liked having actual players ask me to hunt Jedi and they'll pay me this much cash to do it. Non-Jedi now out damage and out heal Jedi? If the BH has doctor or CM in his template. Which with the switch to need Master BH makes it so if you have Master BH/Master Rifleman, you can only get novice doctor, and that leaves you without a root. CM you can get 4000 however, but still lack the root. Without this root most Jedi with force run 1 will negate your snares and get on you with a KD, Root, Armor break, and hit you for 1k dmg per shot as you try to gain some distance.
As I've been saying in many of my post. Bounty Hunters are assassins. Assassins want to know the price, target, and any information they can about said target. The new fix takes away all three of them.
Yes, I get paid an extra 50k or so when i hunt wanted Jedi from guilds. Also, if I see 8 Jedi faction farming at coronet, I go get their missiona nd wait for the right time. Now Jedi will just either:
A) Group hunt on kashyyyk, never gaining vis nor dieing.
B) Sit in Coronet, Theed, or MO, and never have to worry about dieing there either.
Aren't the Jedi supposed to be the most wanted people in the Galaxy? Isn't this all what Episodes 3-4 are about? The genocide of the Jedi and the 'last hope'?
Looks to me like there are seriously more Jedi in this 'Star Wars' universe than tehre are in Jedi Academy- trust me I play both a ton.
Corvett wrote:
Some of you may not but the problem is Many Many Many do and all the hate threads have caused it.
Spookibus wrote:
DekkoFett wrote:
Ya, many Bounty Hunters use names for different reasons.
- Hunting Player Character placed Bounties.
- Not Hunting Known Jedi Friends.
- Not Hunting Jedi under 175k or something similar because they don't like wasting time on Padawans who drop in two hits..
- Not Hunting Jedi who always seem to be on Kashsyyk.
- Not Hunting a Jedi they've already killed in hopes of adding another dead Jedi to their list of names.
- Not Hunting Jedi who always ran away to a house, and/or Jedi who always seemed to be hiding in a house.
- Not Hunting Jedi who you were paid weekly not to hunt. (
- Hunting Jedi that constantly show off their saber skills in major cities.
- Hunting Jedi you know will give you a challenge when you're in the mood for a good fight.
...List goes on.
Message Edited by DekkoFett on 07-07-2005 09:25 AM
I agree with you on every point.
I don't hunt Jedi to grief them, but I do like to try and go after the starport-duelling ones.
But after this patch, the ones that don't do that won't be on the terms nearly as much anyway.
Taken as a whole, as much as I hate to say it, I think this patch has more good than bad in it. There are some things that irritate me royally, but if we can get them out of the Ryatt Trail (instant visibility) to me that would be worth the trade offs.
Sir, maybe you were one of the Jedi that got griefed, but I have never personally heard of this type of greifing- ever from any bh on my server or on this forum.