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Thread: Hunting Jedi in groups

Shender
Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:22 am
#14

Why? So you can totally "pwn" them instantly? Life is all about risk vs. reward. Right now, Jedi have an extremely low risk-occasional lone BH that you can Stasis/Cloak away from... XP loss that is so easily grinded back (not like PreCU)... As a result of the "carebearness" of the game, Jedi has been turned into a powerful-not-so-powerful, diversified front-line soldier (seriously, check out PvP and tell me that Jedi are not the bread and butter of the armies). Jedi are no longer people to be feared. They are as common as the NPCs you see in cities. PreCU, Jedi was not a cake walk to grind and before you had MLS, you were nothing. But Jedi had the ability to become some of the strongest people.

Jedi don't have much risk and as a result, don't have much reward. If you crank up the risk, you have to crank up the reward, and do you really want to see the thousands of Jedi running around with their lost power restored? I, personally, do not.



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rockbottomedatbirth
Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:56 am
#15

Get youself a grou of bh's and pull missions...that simple....4 guildies of mine hunt together all the time....and fairly often find ourself in ganks. Best time is when a jedi runs from one of us....the next mission we pull is almost always the same jedi. Also, dont expect this to happen on weekend when there are 400 jedi on with vis....works great on weekdays later at night though.....and let me tell ya the jedi HATE it.



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Krypt-Keeper
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:11 am
#16

Its easy to get a group of 5 BHs and find the same mark, however it is very cowardous. Hopefully BHs will get a penalty, something like teh loss of inv 4 if they fail to kill the jedi. This will make it so only the best of the best will prevail as it should be. The missions should also be bumped up to 250k to 500k depending on the jedi.
Powsaut
Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:32 am
#17

Try this...Grab a mission (45,321 or whatever) and then have your buddy pull the same paying mission, BUT you need to make sure the mission descriptions are EXACTLY the same. You will pull the same missions everytime and if you are good enough(or mediocre too) you will kill your mark 100% of the time as long as you can shoot them.
Frag99
Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:05 pm
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Krypt-Keeper wrote:
Its easy to get a group of 5 BHs and find the same mark, however it is very cowardous. Hopefully BHs will get a penalty, something like teh loss of inv 4 if they fail to kill the jedi. This will make it so only the best of the best will prevail as it should be. The missions should also be bumped up to 250k to 500k depending on the jedi.






Also, garbage it is not "easy to get a group of 5 BHs". This is another example of disinformation. I have experimented with the terms in every conceivable way with multiple BHs. The only method that works is to pull the mission go and ID the Jedi and then wait...and wait...and wait while the other BH tries over and over again to get a Jedi mission on the same planet that ID's the same. There is no magic method. Its amazing how far a pathetic Jedi will go to try justify nerfs to BHs. Make no mistake the anonymous terminal changes was a big NERF. The griefing that went on was completely overblown as was the "Danger" of multiple BH ganks.


The fact is that group BHing is about the only viable way to kill one of these OVERPOWERED Jedi clowns...with any degree of certainty. Its takes patience and luck getting the mission. Nothing is more satisfying then to hear them scream exploit when 3 of us that spent an hour getting the damn mission whipe the uberness off them....even with 3 we have had Master Defenders successfully run to the starport and escape. That won't be a problem soon....going to get another root. Chain rooting FTW
Illustianassasin
Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:15 pm
#19

Two reasons why having BH xp loss is unfair. It is our job to hunt bounties, including jedi. It is inevitable that you will not win all the time, so punishing people for doing there job is ridiculous. Jedi are only put on terminals with vis. Even if they get put on the terminal they will not necessarily be hunted. Lastly, jedi are more powerful than bounty hunters, so they shouldn't lose in the first place.



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Frag99
Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:20 pm
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EvilAztec wrote:


Actually it depends on the temp and the player behind it. As a MDef yep, you can tank them, and if they're dumb they'll be using high damage specials on you draining their action. If they're smart though, and bring along a droid to zap you and use a minor special then your force will drain rather quickly.


Add in a root, snare, pariwan nutricake, and a few MCM toys (electrolyte drain, et al) and you'll run out of mind, be slowed down (unable to run away), and be run right out of mind/force. Mind actually being more important as your infusion/healing costs will quickly drain that mind bar even with food buffs. At that point they open up on you for a trip to the cloner with a kinetic weapon that is fast and has a relatively high min damage. Of course every temp is a bit different, powers actually has a better chance here, but still.


Is that enough of an explanation for you?


Check my sig for ways to bring back group hunting and have every Jedi fight you (or nearly so as RP'ers may be a lightsider, using the force only for defense.)





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Alixir wrote:
not gonna happen...as it stands right now any smart MBH/MCM can take a jedi solo without any probs besides duration of the fight.....to let BHs group to take out jedi leaves the jedi absolutely no chance to win.






This is pure Jedi disinformation. MBH/MCM are not able to "solo jedi without any probs". Clearly 1/2 the BH's here claiming to have defeated 150 Jedi post-CU are full of crap. Only a stupid Jedi who overestimates his own capabilities will die to lone BH in a straight up fight. Our only weapons against the OVERPOWERED Jedi class are the timing of our attacks. Speaking from the Jedi perspective I was far more worried about BH's pre-CU then now. As a master defender BHs are a JOKE!.


A MBH/MCM must get the Jedi to stand there and blow through his force...no reason to stupidly do the for the Jedi simply force infusion/heal and don't attack (ridiculing the poor BH the whole time...why attack we gain nothing it and only wastes force) or run. All of you claiming that Jedi can't deal with this template are simply wrong...maybe you know it and are deliberately trying to mislead people or your just pulling crap out of your hind qaurters either way it BUNK.














Ok we tried a little experiment with a Master Defender friend of mine. He stood there with his valor/aura/infusion up we had a CM with all the enhancers DOTing him up and a MBH/MPistoleer with a nice pistol Torsoshoting him....guess what happened. We couldn't drain his mind or his force bar. The key here is he did not attack he just maintained his infusion and buffs. Clearly these skills are not using enough force when a Jedi can do this. Now you catch a Jedi with most of his force gone and stupid enough to waste force swinging on you (its stupid because you can outheal his damage) and sure you could get lucky and kill him.....then if most of his force is gone I could killing with MBH/Master Carbines, your template doesn't mean much its the timing.


As far as the droid thing goes. If the Jedi has any sense he will smoke your droid with one saber throw then screenshot you using the droid heal exploit lol BTW in the experiment above the pistoleer was doing a crapload more damage then a droid can.



Jedi are overpowered period. Group hunting should be reinstated as an eqaulizer.


Dlek_Krego
Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:21 pm
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master_loy wrote:

Hey here's an idea!! how about the jedi go post in the jedi forums and stay out of BH busines


They shouldn't let Jedi's come in here, we can't go into their forums and whine. And yes, even a luck of the draw 2 BH Vs a jedi these days is about pointles on a full templateif the timing is off. They should allow ganking again even if we still can't tell who the target is on the BH terms, smallgroups should be able to pull the samemission.







when the posts made will effect us, then we have the right to speak against it.... don't like it? Too bad, too sad. Deal with it.






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master_loy
Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:26 pm
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Dlek_Krego wrote:

the posts made will effect us, then we have the right to speak against it.... don't like it? Too bad, too sad. Deal with it.





Great than we should be able to go into the jedi forums and do the same!






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sli-aib
Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:37 pm
#23

Er... you do
Dlek_Krego
Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:49 pm
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master_loy wrote:





Dlek_Krego wrote:

the posts made will effect us, then we have the right to speak against it.... don't like it? Too bad, too sad. Deal with it.





Great than we should be able to go into the jedi forums and do the same!





nothing is stopping you... or ther many other BH's who already do on a regular basis.






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master_loy
Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:59 pm
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Dlek_Krego wrote:

nothing is stopping you... or ther many other BH's who already do on a regular basis.







oh my bad, last time I knew jedi forums were locked to everyone but jedi. Guess they changed that





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Dlek_Krego
Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:02 pm
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master_loy wrote:





Dlek_Krego wrote:

nothing is stopping you... or ther many other BH's who already do on a regular basis.







oh my bad, last time I knew jedi forums were locked to everyone but jedi. Guess they changed that






That's new to me...I unlocked in november of last year, and I was posting in there even before that... I've never seen it locked to be "jedi only."





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