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Thread: XP loss for Jedi vs. Chance of Success for BH: Jedi stop whining!

IthilDuath
Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:57 pm
#14






HyprHypo wrote:





Holzen wrote:

You left out a few key points.....



1. Jedi lose 2x the amount of time....even by your flawed thinking....since they lose time to get the xp...and the time to reaquire it.


2. If the BH wins they get xp and the bounty amount. If the Jedi wins all they get is more visibility and another visit from a BH.



Simple fact is that until you remove the penelty or give a reward Jedi have absolutley no reason to fight you. Problem is that there is no easy way to do that without Jedi finding a way to exploit it.









when the Jedi win they dont gain anything? When they win and max their temp they get the best character possible in the game



LMAO, ya right!




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HyprHypo
Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:17 pm
#15



IthilDuath wrote:


HyprHypo wrote:


Holzen wrote:

You left out a few key points.....

1. Jedi lose 2x the amount of time....even by your flawed thinking....since they lose time to get the xp...and the time to reaquire it.

2. If the BH wins they get xp and the bounty amount. If the Jedi wins all they get is more visibility and another visit from a BH.

Simple fact is that until you remove the penelty or give a reward Jedi have absolutley no reason to fight you. Problem is that there is no easy way to do that without Jedi finding a way to exploit it.






when the Jedi win they dont gain anything? When they win and max their temp they get the best character possible in the game

LMAO, ya right!




are you kidding me?

you must suck at Jedi



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Holzen
Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:13 pm
#16

Fair enough........we can just keep it as is then....and all whine about it......


Okiv
Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:26 pm
#17

So you're saying that instead of pressuring Sony to fix the exploits or god forbid ban people for abusing bugs we should make them change the game so that the Jedi cheaters don't feel they have to?



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EvaBrurikaen
Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:09 am
#18






Okiv wrote:

So you're saying that instead of pressuring Sony to fix the exploits or god forbid ban people for abusing bugs we should make them change the game so that the Jedi cheaters don't feel they have to?






No i believe he is saying that there is nothing to gain from fighting a BH so the Jedi will not fight them unless they feel like possibly loosing the XP.


Some Jedi exploit, as do some Bounty Hunters. You cannot classify all as doing something that all do not do.


As it stands a BH mission start to finish takes about 1 hour.


If you kill a Jedi they loose 2X amount of the mission so lets just say 300k XP for a 150k Jedi.


300k takes more than an hour to gain back (when there is no double XP, and you cannot use Double XP as an example since it is not a constant.) So therefore the Jedi looses much more time than the BH when they die in combat.


Bh Gains:


1) XP


2) Money


3) Content


BH losses:


1) Time



Jedi Gains:


Nothing


Jedi Losses:


1) Time/XP




See the problem with the system?

saying a Jedi gets to keep his XP is foolish reasoning behind the argument. This is the reason Jedi Do not fight. All risk , and No gain from a BH encounter will always cause a problem with both communities. The Risk Vs Reward in teh BH/Jedi MetaDrama needs to be looked at.

No I am not a Jedi, just an outside observer who can see the problems int eh system without being Biased to one side.



I also find it funny that i keep reading the mention that Jedi are more powerful than BHs so it makes it all ok, however in the same forums I see countless posts from Bounty Hunters that claim to be easily able to either

a) Kill a full template Jedi in a few short simple steps

b) go toe to toe with a Jedi for 30+ minutes.


The posts about loosing to Jedi are far less common than the threads talking about killing them.

How is this possible if Jedi are so muchmore powerfull than a Bounty Hunter?

So basically the argument that the Jedi gets to be the best class ingame is also a moot point.


The basics come down to it is a flawed system thatneeds to be adjusted. It seems to be one of the Pre-CU systems thatis still inplace, and not working in a Post CU world.


and once again for the people that do not read but skip to the bottom.

I am not a Jedi.

Message Edited by EvaBrurikaen on 07-04-2005 03:11 AM



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Cpl_Fisher
Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:25 am
#19






EvaBrurikaen wrote:






Okiv wrote:

So you're saying that instead of pressuring Sony to fix the exploits or god forbid ban people for abusing bugs we should make them change the game so that the Jedi cheaters don't feel they have to?






No i believe he is saying that there is nothing to gain from fighting a BH so the Jedi will not fight them unless they feel like possibly loosing the XP.


Some Jedi exploit, as do some Bounty Hunters. You cannot classify all as doing something that all do not do.


As it stands a BH mission start to finish takes about 1 hour.


If you kill a Jedi they loose 2X amount of the mission so lets just say 300k XP for a 150k Jedi.


300k takes more than an hour to gain back (when there is no double XP, and you cannot use Double XP as an example since it is not a constant.) So therefore the Jedi looses much more time than the BH when they die in combat.


Bh Gains:


1) XP


2) Money


3) Content


BH losses:


1) Time



Jedi Gains:


Nothing


Jedi Losses:


1) Time/XP




See the problem with the system?

saying a Jedi gets to keep his XP is foolish reasoning behind the argument. This is the reason Jedi Do not fight. All risk , and No gain from a BH encounter will always cause a problem with both communities. The Risk Vs Reward in teh BH/Jedi MetaDrama needs to be looked at.

No I am not a Jedi, just an outside observer who can see the problems int eh system without being Biased to one side.



I also find it funny that i keep reading the mention that Jedi are more powerful than BHs so it makes it all ok, however in the same forums I see countless posts from Bounty Hunters that claim to be easily able to either

a) Kill a full template Jedi in a few short simple steps

b) go toe to toe with a Jedi for 30+ minutes.


The posts about loosing to Jedi are far less common than the threads talking about killing them.

How is this possible if Jedi are so muchmore powerfull than a Bounty Hunter?

So basically the argument that the Jedi gets to be the best class ingame is also a moot point.


The basics come down to it is a flawed system thatneeds to be adjusted. It seems to be one of the Pre-CU systems thatis still inplace, and not working in a Post CU world.


and once again for the people that do not read but skip to the bottom.

I am not a Jedi.


Message Edited by EvaBrurikaen on 07-04-2005 03:11 AM




if you can seach 6 instances of the trails, and 10 instances of the caverns in an hour, I want to know how..... esp on a lower level mark that may be 60ish cl, that can grind on at least 3 levels of the trails....



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Jedi244
Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:26 am
#20

ell, they could make things more realistic and have jedi able to take out 8 master bounty hunters without blinking.
aatc
Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:27 am
#21






Jedi244 wrote:

ell, they could make things more realistic and have jedi able to take out 8 master bounty hunters without blinking.




Or you could shut up and get back to the Jedi forums with all the other kids



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EvaBrurikaen
Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:31 am
#22






Cpl_Fisher wrote:


if you can seach 6 instances of the trails, and 10 instances of the caverns in an hour, I want to know how..... esp on a lower level mark that may be 60ish cl, that can grind on at least 3 levels of the trails....






change your tactics.

Go to the trails,(you can search all 6 instances of the ryyaat in less than 30 minutes) find your mark, go to the terms get your mission, and go back to the spot you found him the first time.

It really isnt hard, or time consuming at all.


You have to think outside of the box, and do things in reverse order. I am supprised you didnt think to try this before searching all 16 instances for a mark the first time.




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Kongstad19
Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:39 am
#23

FAO original poster( Didnt read the inbetweens ):


Your answer to my post: "Not my problem" I know but just read it and try and understand it.


When a jedi gets 5 BHer visits in an hour then what?? I don't care if it takes you 22 days to track a target, when there are 500 BHers CONSTANTLY browsing the terminal for a new target to grief it makes up for a BHers roughly every 20th minute.


A jedi in my group managed to get in a house, whilst the BHer was taunting him for being a coward etc ( when the jedi had no skills to ever possibly fight the BHer ) another completely different BHer appeared aswell...



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Jedi244
Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:49 am
#24


Thats rich coming from someone who fights without honor.
Betha
Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:51 am
#25






aatc wrote:






Jedi244 wrote:

ell, they could make things more realistic and have jedi able to take out 8 master bounty hunters without blinking.




Or you could shut up and get back to the Jedi forums with all the other kids




Errr Think your mistaken this is the kids forum where people create silly worthless gossip such as the one moaning about 1 jedi hitting for 1k dmg... You people need to grow up and get real.. Just stop whining and get with it.



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HyprHypo
Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:03 am
#26

You cant argue with a Jedi, it seems



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