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Thread: XP loss for Jedi vs. Chance of Success for BH: Jedi stop whining!

Spookibus
Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:33 pm
#1
Jedi lose XP when they die to a BH.


Not my problem.


But, I get a little tired of Jedi complaining about it. When you consider the amout of time it takes to: 1) Find a suitable online target in your price range, 2) Track him/her, 3) Travel there, 4) Fight and DEFEAT the Jedi, I conclude the following:


The amount of time it takes for a Jedi to re-grind his/her XP after dying to a BH is ABOUT THE SAME as the average amount of time it takes to successfully complete a Jedi Bounty.


What does the Jedi lose? XP.


What is the XP? Well, when you look at it carefully, it's TIME.The amount of XPyou gain is directly proportional to your grinding time.


For the BH, the number ofCriminals (Jedi) webring to JUSTICE is proportional to our time spent hunting.


So what does the BH lose if he loses to a Jedi? TIME. Hours spent searching for a mission, hours spent saving for equipment that slowly wears away, hours spent scanning the starports for targets. TIME is the same thing Jedi lose, only theirs is measured in XP; ours is measured in hours.



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Tucheck
Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:55 pm
#2
Good point....not to mention....what does SOE "gain" from all of our "time lost"? You got it....$$$$!



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Holzen
Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:37 pm
#3

You left out a few key points.....



1. Jedi lose 2x the amount of time....even by your flawed thinking....since they lose time to get the xp...and the time to reaquire it.


2. If the BH wins they get xp and the bounty amount. If the Jedi wins all they get is more visibility and another visit from a BH.



Simple fact is that until you remove the penelty or give a reward Jedi have absolutley no reason to fight you. Problem is that there is no easy way to do that without Jedi finding a way to exploit it.


chewie49
Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:39 pm
#4

wow, ive never seen this type of post before /rolleyes






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Okiv
Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:31 pm
#5
Their xp loss doesn't need justifying. They do lose a lot of XP, they're meant to.



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HyprHypo
Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:34 pm
#6

Holzen wrote:

You left out a few key points.....

1. Jedi lose 2x the amount of time....even by your flawed thinking....since they lose time to get the xp...and the time to reaquire it.

2. If the BH wins they get xp and the bounty amount. If the Jedi wins all they get is more visibility and another visit from a BH.

Simple fact is that until you remove the penelty or give a reward Jedi have absolutley no reason to fight you. Problem is that there is no easy way to do that without Jedi finding a way to exploit it.





when the Jedi win they dont gain anything? When they win and max their temp they get the best character possible in the game



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Epichistonian
Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:43 pm
#7




Spookibus wrote:

Jedi lose XP when they die to a BH.


Not my problem.


But, I get a little tired of Jedi complaining about it. When you consider the amout of time it takes to: 1) Find a suitable online target in your price range, 2) Track him/her, 3) Travel there, 4) Fight and DEFEAT the Jedi, I conclude the following:


Could you like... umm... expand your price range if it's that hard?



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Light a man on fire, he'll be warm
the rest of his life
pain-bringer
Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:08 pm
#8




Holzen wrote:

You left out a few key points.....



1. Jedi lose 2x the amount of time....even by your flawed thinking....since they lose time to get the xp...and the time to reaquire it.


2. If the BH wins they get xp and the bounty amount. If the Jedi wins all they get is more visibility and another visit from a BH.



Simple fact is that until you remove the penelty or give a reward Jedi have absolutley no reason to fight you. Problem is that there is no easy way to do that without Jedi finding a way to exploit it.







what the jedi gain from fighting BH's off is a good ego boost. plus the fact that they just wasted a boat load of the BH's time. all the BH gets is credits and not that many if u ask me. the real reason BH's hunt jedi is b/c it is something different from finding a group/grabbing a mission and going out and killing the same things over and over, and it's fun.
Holzen
Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:40 pm
#9




HyprHypo wrote:


when the Jedi win they dont gain anything? When they win and max their temp they get the best character possible in the game



Explain to me again how that has anything to do withJedi defeatingBH's...........



As for Jedi getting an ego boost......most don't need that.....their egos are big enough already. I'd much rather have something tangible......like 200k+ credits.


Until you can grasp the concept that Jedi have nothing to gain and everything to lose, you will never understand why they hide in houses, use LOS exploits, etc. Not thatI condone any of it, but it is a cause and effect scenario. As long as you have one you will have the other.

HyprHypo
Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:41 pm
#10

Holzen wrote:

HyprHypo wrote:


when the Jedi win they dont gain anything? When they win and max their temp they get the best character possible in the game

Explain to me again how that has anything to do with Jedi defeating BH's...........

As for Jedi getting an ego boost......most don't need that.....their egos are big enough already. I'd much rather have something tangible......like 200k+ credits.

Until you can grasp the concept that Jedi have nothing to gain and everything to lose, you will never understand why they hide in houses, use LOS exploits, etc. Not that I condone any of it, but it is a cause and effect scenario. As long as you have one you will have the other.




You say the Jedi has nothing to gain. Yea he gets his template done quicker. why should he get a reward if he already gets the best character int he game?



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Xryz
Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:43 pm
#11

bh/rifleman took me 8 hours to master


jedi took me 16months.






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Okiv
Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:47 pm
#12
Because Jedi HAS TAKEN you 16 months doesn't mean that IT TAKES 16 months.


If you can grind BH in 8 hours and can't do Jedi in less than a year you're struggling.



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Holzen
Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:57 pm
#13




HyprHypo wrote:




Holzen wrote:




HyprHypo wrote:


when the Jedi win they dont gain anything? When they win and max their temp they get the best character possible in the game



Explain to me again how that has anything to do with Jedi defeating BH's...........



As for Jedi getting an ego boost......most don't need that.....their egos are big enough already. I'd much rather have something tangible......like 200k+ credits.


Until you can grasp the concept that Jedi have nothing to gain and everything to lose, you will never understand why they hide in houses, use LOS exploits, etc. Not that I condone any of it, but it is a cause and effect scenario. As long as you have one you will have the other.






You say the Jedi has nothing to gain. Yea he gets his template done quicker. why should he get a reward if he already gets the best character int he game?




I said we have nothing to gain from fighting BH's. We got no xp for killing a BH, so once again.......that in no way benefits a Jedi. And you fail to grasp the concept here. The point is not to reward Jedi. I actually prefere the latter.....remove xp loss. As long as the current system is in place most Jedi will do whatever it takes, including exploiting unfortunatly, to avoid fighting you. Now find a non exploitable way that removes the loss and you will see a significant increase in the number of Jedi willing to fight you. Face it, BH as a deterent to Jedi hasfailed miserably, and only let to feuding between the professions. So why not make it "fun" for both sides? What would it be like if Jedi had no reason to do all the things that piss of BH's so much (afk in houses, mobile homes, tef bug, LOS exploit, etc.)? You would still get the thrill of the hunt....more so since most Jedi would actually fight you, and cut way down on the amount of time you spend finding a mark to kill due to the above tactics/exploits.
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