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Mse

Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:40 pm

One of the most fun things is hunting jedi with your guiuldies, ecspecially if your mark has done something bad against you. Secondly in order to punish jedi who do wrong, names are neccesary. Third everyone is basically 80, you want to punish people for being good players? Fourth, Having bh's on the terminals would be stupid. Fifth, Smuggler missions might be fun and would relate to story, but because smugglers are nowhere near as powerful as jedi I don't think they would like that.

"Try? Do, or do not. There is no try."- Jedi Master Yoda, Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

ALARIA

Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:05 pm

#210

I, a force using scum of a Jedi, Have never had a problem with the notion of more than One BH taking on a jedi. What I DO find rediculous, and unrealistic, is the notion that the other jedi nearby, can do nothing to help thier fellow jedi, where BH can for one another. Very unrealistic, no matter What the balance situation.

BH can still get thier jedi, they just have too take the hunt slower, and pick thier time when the jedi would be with less friends.

I like a little realism and logic in my game. And I have little time too listen too a BH moan about how they cant take a jedi down solo, when they can gain thier template in a month or two, tend to have more powerful weapons, and risk nothing in death. Where jedi have EARNED the right as players and paying cusyomers, too be tougher.

(My god, when I was CL 60 jedi, I was BH candy, getting 3-4 BH comming for me in an hour! Gimme a break.)

This is Not the case for Noob jedi. they are weak as babies when they have to start sacrificing skill points from old proffessions to new jedi boxes that do too little for them. This is where Most BH can get all, bully like, and get thier hill in.

As for the exp loss, I feel it should reflect the current level of jedi skill at the time. It should Never be More than the current bounty pay off, no matter what. CL 60 jedi tends too have 60-70k bounty? they should lose no more exp than that in dying too a BH.

Jedi at 225 bounty? they can afford to lose the 225k exp, as they rarely lose too BH any more.

Now, lets talk about BH having some thing too risk and lose. Exp if THEY lose? BH terminals for them as well?

We, who have on average put in more time and money, are Not just here to be cash cows to every BH, respec BH, Or old school that come along. We deserve Our fair shake too. Even at CL 60.

There are other missions on the terminals to gain money with for bh. Having been one my self, I have seen that some of them are conciderable.

AlariaPrimus -Ascendant- guild leader. Tat, eclipse.

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AcimEriga

Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:32 pm

#211

Time and money do not grant a superior character. If they did, my BH from 2 onths after launch should beat every jedi out there.

You earned nothing, jedi. You played the game. If you took the amount of XP I racked up on this toon, I could have several jedi. You have done nothing I havent done, excepting that you did it towards a diffferent goal.

Nonetheless, you view reflects a decided lack of knowledge of the overall system, and shows you have no idea of the BH side of the equation. You are not our cash cow, we are the only remaining content in this game. There really isnt much else to do, since the GCW has been crushed by the jedi dominating it. When you propose changes and express opinions, you must take both sides into account. Complaining that you lost xp does nothing. The system has been dumbed down and made more and more carebear since the removal of permadeath. Few longterm jedi, and no BH will give you any sympathy there.

And it seems you werent around in the days of the gank wars, where the determining factor in whther a jedi died was which side had the bigger group, and whether the jedi's FD button was pressed in time. Groups fought groups, a solo BH was crushed by every jedi's 19 groupmates, and to top it all off, every jedi payout was only 15k. Not a typo, 15,000 credits. Less than the cost of buffs on some servers.

I do agree with your comment of xp loss being scaled to the level of the jedi.

As for the poster who commented on us BH's whining about having to "work" for a payday, imagine having to hunt someone whose name you dont even know on Kash. Just try it, smarta$$. And while you are at it, try studying a knight, and waiting for them to get low on health or force, when you dont know their name. Knights are not soloable 1 on 1, and it would pretty much destroy the point of player bounties if most of the jedi a BH is tasked with hunting are ones he cannot kill. As for commenting on biding your time and studying, etc., can it. That crap doesnt cut it when you cant even know their name.

Zu818

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:16 am

#212

2things I STRONGLY Disagree with

Somehow making BH vs Jedi one on one. Come on how lame is this. I know this isnt real life but how many bounty hunters would hunt alone. Yes some do but when your target is nearly 2 to 3 time more powerful than you then anyone in there right mind is gonna bring back up and pay them for the help.

Not Showing the names of the Jedi bounties or the Amount. Ughhh what bounty Hunter in their right mind is gonna take a contract without knowing the price or the level of risk. One has to know what he can spend on a mission in order to make profit. I know I do, when hunting padawans iI dont use my top of the line equipment but when hunting a Knight I know im getting paid more so Im willing to risk a bit more.

would you take a job without knowing what your salary or wage will be?

Neogame

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:25 am

#213

Ok my view on this, seeing everyone else (including the Jedi have spoken).

Tanks wrote:

Possibility of combat rating getting one on BH Terminals if the combat rating is so high.

This sounds good. but needs defining. what is "so High" PvP score or CL, faction rank etc... Think PvP score would be a good one.

Successive failed missions getting BHs on terminals.

Again i like this. Bounty hunters in general are hired Mercs really, out for money, fame and the hunt. They dont care what the mark has done, other than they are a mark and a walking credit chip. If you've read any of the Star Wars EU book, your'll know that BH dont turst eachother and will hunt (1 less BH to compeat with). But again we need a little info on how many missions we fail.

Eliminating Jedi names and bounty amounts from terminals while listing faction and online status.

Faction tab, and online status i like. not bothered about jedi names going as i only hunt Reb/Neutral Jedi. PLus without the Jedi name they can say we're griefing them. The payout i don't want to see go.Atm i hunt jedi in the 145k-180k range. as i cant take on full template jedi's (i've tried), and i leave the low paddies alone to grind (even joined with them to grind) to the price range i do hunt. bottom line i like this but they have to keep the payout amount.

Making BH vs Jedi missions one on one somehow.

Well in theory i agree with this. but they need to make it so BH can take on a full template in a fair fight. I think that paddies should be 1on1 but once they are a Knight/full template we should beable to get 2 BH on same mission. and that comment about BH having the advantage is C**P, we track the Jedi to where the Jedi is so they chose the battlefield, yes we start the fight but if the Jedi see's us they run and hide or place a house. i

Adding Smuggler missions.

Yes Yes YES!!! i know many smugglers and they have all been waiting for this. it will also give us something else to hunt other than piss easy NPC or whining Jedi (FYI 75% i've hunted are ok with being hunted and losing as they RP their Jedi its just the loud mouth gits that dont RP their jedi are the problem, but thatmy opinon)

Ok i've read most of the posts on this topic and i must say that alot of the jedi posting on here dont knwo what they are talking about. this next bit is going to be all over the place as i'm trying to remember comments and reply to them.

Xuski - your comment about if you want the power to take on a jedi become a jedi, i mean come on. nearly 1/3 of people playing are Jedi already, is the answer really more jedi, i thinkg not. Also you said (along with others) the most BH that go 1on1 go for low level Paddies, please if you and others really thing this then i'm sorry for you. Jedi choose to be Jedi just like any other prof, but jedi know that they will be hunted.

Big-N-Buff - Yes i agree that Jedi should be stronger than other profs. but from what you said you wantthe "I WIN" button that most jedi say that BH want. I dont want a "I Win" button i want a balance and fiar fight that but BH and Jedi argee on. if you want jedi 3x stronger then we should beable to team up with other BH and fight (but i think that this should be on a sliding scale, 1v1 low/mid paddies 2v1 for high paddies/knights 3v1 guardains etc...)

there are others but i really need to get back to work.

IMO,Jedi should be able to grind with other jedi (asy in a max group of 2or3)theyalso shouldn't lose XP, but they should havesome penatly. maybe as an example not able to play their jedi for a timed period. or not able to grind/interact with other players or npc's for a set period.

Message Edited by Neogame on 06-23-2005 12:27 PM

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fighto

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:21 am

#214

reading the forums ye call it a joke the changes lmao,that a jedi can lose up 5 hours game play cuase some fool of player decided the dancer wasnt much fun and decided to respec, and here sit think omg bh might lose something now for attacking a jedi, prob all that will happen here is bh will pick even lower lvls than they do cuase there 100% sure they can win(bunch of cowards.

This cu came form bh's complainingand there still giving out i see bh's with up to 70 + names on there bio's as far as i can see bh's will give out till they are running the game , news flash guys watch the movies bh's got a mention once in all 6 films swg is about jedi.

Only when a lvl 80 jedi such as my self can chase down and hammer a bh into the ground like they can us will the game be fair, lets put it this way how many times do u see 1**** bh go after a lvl 80 jedi never why? cuase their not sure they will win and not sure of the easy money thats all and run around like kids with names in there bio most of them afk's kill's,

ALARIA

Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:21 am

#215

Well, as for the suggestion that the jedi cant play his jedi for a while. Sure. If BH cant play thiers either.

OK, thats just a silly notion hun.

- Jedi should be able to grind with other jedi they are grouped with, with out recieving visibility. End of story, its just realistic.

How about a knight and padawan relation ship as well? master and paddy? no vis there between the two.

Should this be on the Jedi page instead of the BH? No, it should be on Both. So greater understanding of one anothers problems, and solutions to such can be mutualy aproached.

Being a Jedi, but former BH, I chose to write it here.

- Jedi should lose only as much, and never More, exp, than thier current jedi boxes/skill level supports. Perhaps no more than thier bounty as a whole.

- BH, should lose some thing as well. Some experience perhaps, not as much as the jedi, but some thing for the failure, to slap the sense of reality and risk for the descision in thier faces. Perhaps getting put on terminals them selves.

-Heres a kicker of an idea. ... Jedi reporting successful BH as criminals and getting Them on the terminals not for failures, but for thier successes. Even posting rewards and bounties for BH them selves. Like that WOULDNT happen in a realistic star wars universe? Not all jedi are goodness and sunlight at heart. Forgiving and what not. Some one has too go bad.

- And, let jedi of oposite factions take contracts off bounty terminals VS BH that manage to get there, Or oposite factioned jedi. Paddies too.

(this last is just a hoot'nanny suggestion. I say it cuz I like a good chuckle. Karma's a Biotch.)

- whats with sabers, one of the most pwerful weapons in the SW universe, doing on average, less dammage than the average blaster, carb or rifle any way? Ive gone through over a 100 mil worth of pearls, mostly preemi, and my saber still does 720 dammage. NO BH settles for that little dammage in a weapon of choice, and they can pup. They sure as hell dont go through 100 mil in tissues for thier weapon. (i will assume this latest)

The worst slap in the face is that sabers do energy, and every one and thier mother has energy defenses.

Is my elemental dammage in crystal even working yet? has hat been repaired?

Wah, Wah, WAH! (she cries like a baby)

OK, I can forgive the saber thing in the interrest of a semblance of balance for game purposes. Altho it makes jedi some thing of a joke in comparrison to the movies we are here to romanticly emulate.

All in all, I have learned much from this BH thread. I have some sympathy for BH. I was one.

No, i dont what it "Used" to be like back in the day. Yes, I like hearing the sound of my own voice.

But more importantly, I like that at least in some cases, some of the BH here are willing too look at both sides of the matter.

- NO. What Idiot thought of taking the amount of money that will be earned off the terminals, for an given jedi contract? Or the general name of the jedi they will hunt? please tell me they didnt run THAT one through play testing and thought it tested just spiffy.

- Yes, there Should be a sliding scale to determins how many BH can fit on a lone jedi. To limmit unfair gank squads.

1 for jedi in general. 2 for cl80. 3 for knights.4 for guardians. (just a general suggestion here. God knows I can barely take One BH at CL80 my self.)

Any way, keep those ideas comming. but keep them realistic, and Movie esc, where possible.

And dont forget there are TWO sides to the coin, and that there wouldnt be much of a coin with out either one.

Hugsies, AlariaPrimus Eclipse.

When the Odds are against you, Dont fight them. Change them!
. NOTE: Talking Monkeys whom contribute little more than POO, get handed the BANANA Award!

VarrickCW

Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:33 am

#216

I have 2 characters:

FULL TEMPLATE JEDI:

Has been heavily hunted since unlocking. NEVER defeated. Why ? I am a pvp'er, I know how to handle myself. I have had multiple times gank squads attack. I dont mind. Adds to my pvp rating. Bring on the Gank Squads.

FULL TEMPLATE BOUNTY HUNTER:

I hunt solo most of the time, fighting 200k+ jedi's for a challenge. I win about 60-70% of the time. Why ? I know how to pvp, I havea Jedi.. I know how I can lose.. so as a BH... I know whatI want to enforce on the Jedi. I choose my methods of combat.

The only time I brought in a few other bounty hunter's is to train them. They where good friends, and I showed them how to fight. The Jedi was really insulted that he was a "combat training mark" as we didnt db... we where just out for training... But hey.. Jedi's are BH's content... And BH's are Jedi's content.

Some changes can be good for the game. Making it easier isnt. Its well balanced. Of course your going tolose if you use strategies that sucks. Play smart. Would you engage a Krayt with a CDEF ? No ? Then dont engage a Jedi without having a battleplan and a good idea of what you need to do to take him down, and how your going to do that. Play Smart.

Oh and for those of you wondering.. My BH *ONLY* fights Jedi's.. and his pvp rating is over 1450. And no, I dont hunt padawan's, I usualy fight Jedi's over 200k

Message Edited by VarrickCW on 06-23-2005 09:35 AM

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Neogame

Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:45 am

#217

fighto wrote:

This cu came form bh's complainingand there still giving out i see

news flash guys watch the movies bh's got a mention once in all 6 films swg is about jedi.

I'm all for BH getting on the Term's for failed missions, adds a bit more spice IMO. and not all the BH in the game are respec BH's, i got my BH pre-CU. most of the respec BH i've met respeced again to something else. Sorry have to disagree BH are in 3 films (AoTC, TESB and RotJ) SWG is not all about Jedi, its meant to be set just after A New Hope (ok the devs have screwed with the time line a bit with RotW and other things). i've not yet killed a AFK jedi in any mission (as they either run, fight or log)but if your a jedi and afk, take like a grownup mate. if your AFK and a Jedi tough luck. you shouldn't be afk then.

Alaria, the not playing your jedi for a set time was only any idea. as IMO jedi shouldn't have the XP loss that just not nice. or maybe if they do XP loss only take it to ZERO at the most. no negitive XP loss.

Nice post VarrickCW

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jEdU-hObO_gRaSs

Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:07 am

#218

Iwawmi wrote:

Tanks wrote:

Several things were mentioned as possibilities by devs in various forums:

Possibility of combat rating getting one on BH Terminals if the combat rating is so high.

Successive failed missions getting BHs on terminals.

Eliminating Jedi names and bounty amounts from terminals while listing faction and online status.

Making BH vs Jedi missions one on one somehow.

Adding Smuggler missions.

However, all of the above are more of a wish list at this time and are not on any schedule that has been revealed by devs.

tell me that one is a joke

this will make the terminals worse than they already are

how is this possible when jedi are supposidly 1.5x as strong as anyone

i think wish list is a seriously bad word, none of the above mentioned ideas are an improvement

( yes i am a BH )

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ALARIA

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:31 pm

#219

A reasonable argument. No, I am only 10 months into the game. But what has gone before, and is no longer present, makes weak argument, for the what is here, and the Now.

OK, you could have earned 3 jedi over with your BH in the time you have played it. Lovely. Dont argu AGAINST jedi. Argue in favor of a system that would allow a continuous rate of progression for any whom have played so long and earned so much.

How about ... for every 10 mil exp you earn, you can BUY 1 more point of skill points, which can be used to purchase things above the 250 max a character tends too have.?

I dont know. as you said, I dont have as great an understanding of the game system.

I agree, taking away the info on the bounty is silly on the terminals.

But I also think that Jedi should have terminals for which they can use to hunt overly successful bounty hunters, titt for tat in thier Own defense.

Trying too attack my perhaps lack of experience, is a poor way to make a point of your own, and certainly niether productive or mature. Try perhaps instead, both enlightening, educating, and finding a mutual ground of understanding where we can come up with, and fine tune idea's that would fit the game better for all.

When the Odds are against you, Dont fight them. Change them!
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Niles_Sjostrom

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:44 pm

#220

I think the 1 v 1 is a bad idea if we are still going to hunt Knights. I also have a post going regarding the terminal issues, but that solution flat out stinks to be frank. Not to have a name would screw a lot of BHs who have lists of players they will not or because of their guild cannot hunt. So a BH would waste an arakyd probe and their time to find a mark they can't even hunt. Not to smart by the devs. The others look pretty cool. Here is a link to my post and a solution I think more BH would like to see.

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bounty_hunter&message.id=447968

My idea for BH and Jedi is plain and simple, but obviously can be elaborated on by the players. I figure this is as good a place to put it as any, so here it is.

Both Jedi and MBH should be elite professions and both should take all of your skill points (as MBH did in the old days). This would justify giving MBH massive state controls like we had in the game's begining. Don't kid us, the state effects are NOTHING like what they used to be. I've been a MBH for almost 1.5 years now, so I feel comfortable in my knowledge of how the prof has progressed, or really digressed. Obviously Jedi should be more powerful and steps should be taken so that if all things are equal (both players understand their temp perfectly) a MBH can only get a max success rate of 40-45% victories. Then both should lose exp for a death during a bounty mission from the terminals. Again, I think it obvious that Jedi should lose much more, but both should lose exp. This way you can further justify both being elite professions and also giving MBH the control they once had over a toon's state. Until SOE does something along these lines I think you will still have the unrest you currently have between these two professions and how one accuses the other of whining and moaning without really understanding the other profession at all.

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Message Edited by Niles_Sjostrom on 06-23-2005 12:50 AM

-Hey SOE, here's a novel idea. Instead of trying to get new customers to replace the lost ones. Try fixing the bugs so you get new customers and KEEP the old ones too! Next time you delete a post that puts SOE in a bad light, think about giving us reasons to put you in a good light instead. ...you see when someone buys the game it means they want to like it. When they cancel an account it means you made someone who liked the game dislike it. How's that good business again?
Where does a 90% drop is customer base equal good business? SOE

ALARIA

Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:19 pm

#221

Yes, my apologies. I often tell others to keep an open mind and to go ahead with the ideas, then, on having an bad day my self, make an ass of my self and comment negativelytowards others. Im working on this, and thank you for pointing it out too me dear. My Apologies if I inadvertantly offended any one.

I read some where here that Jedi were BH content, and that BH were jedi content.

Im not entirely sure I wish to agree with the later onthat.

Even the faction system allows one to go on leave now, if they do Not wish to partake in That form of content.

I feel some thing similar should be created for jedi, should they wish to not take part in the FRS system at hand,

but more importantly, the BH hunting them stuff. Some times, ya Just want to go out and explore, or conduct guild biz, and you dont want to deal with that aspect of the game hounding you.

(example: im a judge on the eclipse server for miss galaxy pagent, and they never let jedi be judges because of visibility and BH issues inturrupting the pagent. Not currently vis mind you. i hope.)

Now of course there should be some kind of penalty for a jedi who has removed them selves for "Going on Leave"

so too speak. I sure dont have the answers, and Im really NEW too jedi in general dispite my 4 rows of 4 and change in boxes, but I feel that certain aspects of the game should be given as a player choice, just like factions going on leave.

mm, cant use jedi abilities while on leave?

Better, cant gain or earn Jedi Exp within 24 hrs after, or WHILE on leave?

But I really think an option for this should be created.

Damn, gotta go too work. Had more ideas to type out too. I really should throw this onto jedi threads as well.

Hugsies. ALARIA.

Message Edited by ALARIA on 06-23-2005 07:23 PM

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