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Thread: The official reason BH TEF's where removed
i will go somewhere else prolly....you took jedi EKIBE knowing all well that u would be hunted....now ppl like u ruin the others game for complaining to the devs...I hate SOE for their stupid decision. I hate lucas arts for changing a game that had no problem. I hate george lucas for making me love star wars so much. im venting....piss off all you CAREBEARS !!!!
pussycat wrote:
You would think all the Neandarthals would take a hint... but they don't. People paying to play this game should have the freedom of choice to decide how they want to play and with whom they want to play. That's the once concept you still cannot grasp, maybe that is too sophisticated for your trigger-happy minds. You always wanted to impose your gameplay on others, and didn't care for the fact that your presence and your actions may have been unwanted.
Even now that you know player bounties are going away, you keep on insisting that you should be able to infringe on someone else's game time and impose your game style onto them, against their wishes, as if that is the only way you can possibly enjoy the game.
It doesn't matter, forced pvp is gone, it's history, and you can either accept that fact or go play somewhere else.
Lets define ingorant.
uneducated in general; lacking knowledge or sophistication; "an ignorant man"; "nescient of contemporary literature"; "an unlearned group incapable of understanding complex issues"; "exhibiting contempt for his unlettered companions"
Digitalalchemyzt wrote:Lets define ingorant.
uneducated in general; lacking knowledge or sophistication; "an ignorant man"; "nescient of contemporary literature"; "an unlearned group incapable of understanding complex issues"; "exhibiting contempt for his unlettered companions"
uneducated in the fundamentals of a given art or branch of learning; lacking knowledge of a specific field; "she is ignorant of quantum mechanics"; "he is musically illiterate" unaware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge; "he was completely ignorant of the circumstances"; "an unknowledgeable assistant"; "his rudeness was unwitting" goes both ways for us eh? and no, not a flame. "Ignorant" to the fact that i am a DARK Jedi. so if u want to go there...well..your points of jedi dont apply to me at all.Not a flame, a statement that you take to be a flame in which is a valid point from many of us pvp players points of view...
You seem to be unable to tell the difference between ignorance and a diverging opinion.
I think when he is calling you ignorant he is referring to you not understanding jedi was a pvp profession because it wasnt written out in 100% clear english although all signs pointed that it was.
You're right fighting should be a last option. Jedi are keepers of the peace and defenders of the republic. HOWEVER, since the rebellion is seeking to restore the republic and the empire is actively hunting jedi, it would be implied, most would think, that jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand.
ChefRubio wrote:I think when he is calling you ignorant he is referring to you not understanding jedi was a pvp profession because it wasnt written out in 100% clear english although all signs pointed that it was.
You're right fighting should be a last option. Jedi are keepers of the peace and defenders of the republic. HOWEVER, since the rebellion is seeking to restore the republic and the empire is actively hunting jedi, it would be implied, most would think, that jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand.
Ignorance is saying that Jedi was a pvp profession just because there was a mechanism of player bounties. Yeah, it lent itself to having pvp, but then again, any profession in the game had the option to pvp in the GCW. The only difference of course is that for Jedi, it was forced pvp. Ignorance is not understanding that the devs made a mistake in allowing player bounties in the first place when it should have been very clear from the very beginning that many in the player base did not have the maturity to handle it. Ignorance is insisting that people who did not like pvp should have been forced to pvp just because the devs implemented a flawed system that would be removed some two years later, after having caused great animosity and hatred among the player base. Ignorance is not understanding that some of us got Jedi even though we were not in agreement with the mechanism that could be used to create a forced pvp situation. Ignorance is not understanding that as the number of Jedi grew, and an ever increasing number of the Jedi opposed the player bounty mechanism, it would only have been a matter of time before player bounties were eliminated.
So you think that "most would think that Jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand"? Wake up and smell the coffee. Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi spend the first 20 years of the Empire's existance in hiding, not "engaging in constant fighting and battles" for the rebellion.
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
I think when he is calling you ignorant he is referring to you not understanding jedi was a pvp profession because it wasnt written out in 100% clear english although all signs pointed that it was.
You're right fighting should be a last option. Jedi are keepers of the peace and defenders of the republic. HOWEVER, since the rebellion is seeking to restore the republic and the empire is actively hunting jedi, it would be implied, most would think, that jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand.
Ignorance is saying that Jedi was a pvp profession just because there was a mechanism of player bounties. Yeah, it lent itself to having pvp, but then again, any profession in the game had the option to pvp in the GCW. The only difference of course is that for Jedi, it was forced pvp. Ignorance is not understanding that the devs made a mistake in allowing player bounties in the first place when it should have been very clear from the very beginning that many in the player base did not have the maturity to handle it. Ignorance is insisting that people who did not like pvp should have been forced to pvp just because the devs implemented a flawed system that would be removed some two years later, after having caused great animosity and hatred among the player base. Ignorance is not understanding that some of us got Jedi even though we were not in agreement with the mechanism that could be used to create a forced pvp situation. Ignorance is not understanding that as the number of Jedi grew, and an ever increasing number of the Jedi opposed the player bounty mechanism, it would only have been a matter of time before player bounties were eliminated.
So you think that "most would think that Jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand"? Wake up and smell the coffee. Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi spend the first 20 years of the Empire's existance in hiding, not "engaging in constant fighting and battles" for the rebellion.
I say jedi was a pvp profession because when it first came out there was saber tef, then when pre-9 came there was the FRS. It was disabled because it was not running as intended and people could powerlevel to the top, even though it was impossible to get there on straight pvp.
The reason that obi-wan and yoda went into hiding was because by themselves they were not powerful enough to fight the empire. Twenty years later, when the rebellion was strong enough to pose a threat to the Empire, both of them were much too old to do any major fighting. That is why they needed Luke. To take a major role in the reformation of the republic and jedi order. It would be feesable that any jedi that were in form to fight would be taking up their saber alongside the rebellion. I know that the movies didnt directly say that. It would just be logical thinking.
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
I think when he is calling you ignorant he is referring to you not understanding jedi was a pvp profession because it wasnt written out in 100% clear english although all signs pointed that it was.
You're right fighting should be a last option. Jedi are keepers of the peace and defenders of the republic. HOWEVER, since the rebellion is seeking to restore the republic and the empire is actively hunting jedi, it would be implied, most would think, that jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand.
Ignorance is saying that Jedi was a pvp profession just because there was a mechanism of player bounties. Yeah, it lent itself to having pvp, but then again, any profession in the game had the option to pvp in the GCW. The only difference of course is that for Jedi, it was forced pvp. Ignorance is not understanding that the devs made a mistake in allowing player bounties in the first place when it should have been very clear from the very beginning that many in the player base did not have the maturity to handle it. Ignorance is insisting that people who did not like pvp should have been forced to pvp just because the devs implemented a flawed system that would be removed some two years later, after having caused great animosity and hatred among the player base. Ignorance is not understanding that some of us got Jedi even though we were not in agreement with the mechanism that could be used to create a forced pvp situation. Ignorance is not understanding that as the number of Jedi grew, and an ever increasing number of the Jedi opposed the player bounty mechanism, it would only have been a matter of time before player bounties were eliminated.
So you think that "most would think that Jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand"? Wake up and smell the coffee. Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi spend the first 20 years of the Empire's existance in hiding, not "engaging in constant fighting and battles" for the rebellion.
I say jedi was a pvp profession because when it first came out there was saber tef, then when pre-9 came there was the FRS. It was disabled because it was not running as intended and people could powerlevel to the top, even though it was impossible to get there on straight pvp.The reason that obi-wan and yoda went into hiding was because by themselves they were not powerful enough to fight the empire. Twenty years later, when the rebellion was strong enough to pose a threat to the Empire, both of them were much too old to do any major fighting. That is why they needed Luke. To take a major role in the reformation of the republic and jedi order. It would be feesable that any jedi that were in form to fight would be taking up their saber alongside the rebellion. I know that the movies didnt directly say that. It would just be logical thinking.
A saber TEF didn't mean you had to pvp - you could take steps to prevent getting attacked at least until you were strong enough. It was easy enough to avoid getting TEF'd, and as for the FRS, it was a completely different thing because you could still be a Jedi without entering the FRS. And, again, all of these game mechanisms that open up the door for pvp could not possibly have worked with a player base that had so many immature players and prepubescent boys wanting to "pwn".
And, btw, are now totally contradicting yourself regarding the Jedi involvement in the GCW... in your previous post you had said "most would think, that jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand" yet NOW you change your mind and say that "both of them were much too old to do any major fighting".
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
I think when he is calling you ignorant he is referring to you not understanding jedi was a pvp profession because it wasnt written out in 100% clear english although all signs pointed that it was.
You're right fighting should be a last option. Jedi are keepers of the peace and defenders of the republic. HOWEVER, since the rebellion is seeking to restore the republic and the empire is actively hunting jedi, it would be implied, most would think, that jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand.
Ignorance is saying that Jedi was a pvp profession just because there was a mechanism of player bounties. Yeah, it lent itself to having pvp, but then again, any profession in the game had the option to pvp in the GCW. The only difference of course is that for Jedi, it was forced pvp. Ignorance is not understanding that the devs made a mistake in allowing player bounties in the first place when it should have been very clear from the very beginning that many in the player base did not have the maturity to handle it. Ignorance is insisting that people who did not like pvp should have been forced to pvp just because the devs implemented a flawed system that would be removed some two years later, after having caused great animosity and hatred among the player base. Ignorance is not understanding that some of us got Jedi even though we were not in agreement with the mechanism that could be used to create a forced pvp situation. Ignorance is not understanding that as the number of Jedi grew, and an ever increasing number of the Jedi opposed the player bounty mechanism, it would only have been a matter of time before player bounties were eliminated.
So you think that "most would think that Jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand"? Wake up and smell the coffee. Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi spend the first 20 years of the Empire's existance in hiding, not "engaging in constant fighting and battles" for the rebellion.
I say jedi was a pvp profession because when it first came out there was saber tef, then when pre-9 came there was the FRS. It was disabled because it was not running as intended and people could powerlevel to the top, even though it was impossible to get there on straight pvp.
The reason that obi-wan and yoda went into hiding was because by themselves they were not powerful enough to fight the empire. Twenty years later, when the rebellion was strong enough to pose a threat to the Empire, both of them were much too old to do any major fighting. That is why they needed Luke. To take a major role in the reformation of the republic and jedi order. It would be feesable that any jedi that were in form to fight would be taking up their saber alongside the rebellion. I know that the movies didnt directly say that. It would just be logical thinking.
A saber TEF didn't mean you had to pvp - you could take steps to prevent getting attacked at least until you were strong enough. It was easy enough to avoid getting TEF'd, and as for the FRS, it was a completely different thing because you could still be a Jedi without entering the FRS. And, again, all of these game mechanisms that open up the door for pvp could not possibly have worked with a player base that had so many immature players and prepubescent boys wanting to "pwn".
And, btw, are now totally contradicting yourself regarding the Jedi involvement in the GCW... in your previous post you had said "most would think, that jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand" yet NOW you change your mind and say that "both of them were much too old to do any major fighting".
Wow do you even read posts 100% through? I was referring to obi-wan and yoda were too old by the time the rebellion was strong enough for them to come out of hiding. That doesn't mean that there weren't physically able jedi, such as Luke, that could fight. The reason they went into hiding was they were waiting for the right time to reveal themselves. Then the rebellion came about, but by the time it gained strength they were too old, and had to train a new Jedi to take on the empire and the sith.
The same, I would have expected any able bodied jedi to also come out of hiding when Luke revealed himself.
EDIT: BTW clearly you weren't a Jedi pre-9 if you think that saber tef meant you never had to pvp. A lot of times a random imperial flying by would just decide to hop off thier bike and chase you and you had to force run away to until the tef wore off to avoid getting on terms. Please don't comment on Jedi elements you never experienced.
Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-09-2005 10:09 PM
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
pussycat wrote:
ChefRubio wrote:
I think when he is calling you ignorant he is referring to you not understanding jedi was a pvp profession because it wasnt written out in 100% clear english although all signs pointed that it was.
You're right fighting should be a last option. Jedi are keepers of the peace and defenders of the republic. HOWEVER, since the rebellion is seeking to restore the republic and the empire is actively hunting jedi, it would be implied, most would think, that jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand.
Ignorance is saying that Jedi was a pvp profession just because there was a mechanism of player bounties. Yeah, it lent itself to having pvp, but then again, any profession in the game had the option to pvp in the GCW. The only difference of course is that for Jedi, it was forced pvp. Ignorance is not understanding that the devs made a mistake in allowing player bounties in the first place when it should have been very clear from the very beginning that many in the player base did not have the maturity to handle it. Ignorance is insisting that people who did not like pvp should have been forced to pvp just because the devs implemented a flawed system that would be removed some two years later, after having caused great animosity and hatred among the player base. Ignorance is not understanding that some of us got Jedi even though we were not in agreement with the mechanism that could be used to create a forced pvp situation. Ignorance is not understanding that as the number of Jedi grew, and an ever increasing number of the Jedi opposed the player bounty mechanism, it would only have been a matter of time before player bounties were eliminated.
So you think that "most would think that Jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand"? Wake up and smell the coffee. Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi spend the first 20 years of the Empire's existance in hiding, not "engaging in constant fighting and battles" for the rebellion.
I say jedi was a pvp profession because when it first came out there was saber tef, then when pre-9 came there was the FRS. It was disabled because it was not running as intended and people could powerlevel to the top, even though it was impossible to get there on straight pvp.The reason that obi-wan and yoda went into hiding was because by themselves they were not powerful enough to fight the empire. Twenty years later, when the rebellion was strong enough to pose a threat to the Empire, both of them were much too old to do any major fighting. That is why they needed Luke. To take a major role in the reformation of the republic and jedi order. It would be feesable that any jedi that were in form to fight would be taking up their saber alongside the rebellion. I know that the movies didnt directly say that. It would just be logical thinking.
A saber TEF didn't mean you had to pvp - you could take steps to prevent getting attacked at least until you were strong enough. It was easy enough to avoid getting TEF'd, and as for the FRS, it was a completely different thing because you could still be a Jedi without entering the FRS. And, again, all of these game mechanisms that open up the door for pvp could not possibly have worked with a player base that had so many immature players and prepubescent boys wanting to "pwn".
And, btw, are now totally contradicting yourself regarding the Jedi involvement in the GCW... in your previous post you had said "most would think, that jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand" yet NOW you change your mind and say that "both of them were much too old to do any major fighting".
Wow do you even read posts 100% through? I was referring to obi-wan and yoda were too old by the time the rebellion was strong enough for them to come out of hiding. That doesn't mean that there weren't physically able jedi, such as Luke, that could fight. The reason they went into hiding was they were waiting for the right time to reveal themselves. Then the rebellion came about, but by the time it gained strength they were too old, and had to train a new Jedi to take on the empire and the sith.The same, I would have expected any able bodied jedi to also come out of hiding when Luke revealed himself.
EDIT: BTW clearly you weren't a Jedi pre-9 if you think that saber tef meant you never had to pvp. A lot of times a random imperial flying by would just decide to hop off thier bike and chase you and you had to force run away to until the tef wore off to avoid getting on terms. Please don't comment on Jedi elements you never experienced.
Message Edited by ChefRubio on 11-09-2005 10:09 PM
No, you were talking in general about the Jedi involement in the GCW... Yoda and OBK might have been much older, but that didn't necessarily preclude any possibility of fighting alongside the rebellion -- IF they had thought that was the best way to fight for their cause. Just because they might not have been physically able to join the rebels in the battlefields it didn't meant they couldn't be working with the rebel leadership from the rebel bases... and the fact is, they didn't. This totally contradicts your earlier statement that "most would think, that jedi fighting on the side of the rebellion and engaging in constant fighting and battles would go hand in hand".
Re saber TEF -- I never said that it meant you *never* had to pvp; as I said, you could take steps to prevent getting attacked... The example you gave shows that -- if you could outrun potential enemies, you'd avoid the actual attack. The saber TEF required you to be cautious, the basic idea was to give Jedi an incentive to stay out of sight, especially if they were not strong enough to take on other players and did not want to risk permadeath.
And pussycat if you think the CU2 is so great go check Bacciaca's new post in the Jedi forum.
ChefRubio wrote:And pussycat if you think the CU2 is so great go check Bacciaca's new post in the Jedi forum.
Trying to change the subject, are we?
No...I just read the post myself, maybe you should stop posting here and go read how bad the system you're pushing so much really is.
BTW and sometimes with saber TEF you did have to pvp. You didnt get heal states until you were in the knight tree. So...if you were dizzy/kd with a ranged shot you were pretty much a meatstick until the state wore off.
Oh wait...then it was re-applied and you were kd again.