Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Cloak = i win button.
LostPharoah wrote:
Haha Ok guys give poor poor waad a break He's prolly a respec BH .. /Sarcasm
please type my name correctly,tnx
KaliMaul wrote:
From one of my posts:
"A few facts are coming.
If a jedi kills a BH with the help of improved force aura (granted at 0040 defender), it's fine. Do you want it nerfed? No. Do you want it moved to the master box? No.
bh can do damage,and apply statesto jedi with force aura
If a jedi kills a BH with the help of improved force valor (granted at 0004 defender), it's fine. Do you want it nerfed? No. Do you want it moved to the master box? No.
bh can do damage,and apply statesto jedi with force valor
If a jedi kills a BH with the help of improved force armor (granted at 0400 enhancer), it's fine. Do you want it nerfed? No. Do you want it moved to the master box? No.
bh can do damage,and apply statesto jedi with force armor
If a jedi kills a BH with the help of advanced force heal (granted at 4000 healer), it's fine. Do you want it nerfed? No. Do you want it moved to the master box? No.
bh can do damage,and apply statesto jedi with force heal
If a jedi kills a BH with the help of improved saber armorbreak and improved saber powerattack (granted at 0400 saber), it's fine. Do you want it nerfed? No. Do you want it moved to the master box? No.
hahaha try to kill bh with good armor (high energy resist and 75% AB sliced) without master LS
If a jedi kills a BH with the help of a finely constructed saber and saberthrow (granted at 0004 saber and a +25 exp clothing possibly), it's fine. Do you want it nerfed? No. Do you want it moved to the master box? No.
bh stillcan do damage,and apply statesto jedi with saber
If a jedi runs away from a BH by using force run 2 (granted at 4000 enhancer), it's fine. Do you want it nerfed? No. Do you want it moved to the master box? No.
bh can do damage,and apply statesto jedi with FR2 (yes a very short period of time lol)
If a jedi runs away from a BH by using force cloak (granted at 0400 powers), it's a retarded cheap move that makes all jedi inhonorable and that ruins your gameplay. Do you want it nerfed? Yes. Do you want it moved to the master box? Yes."
well well well, now we can compare:
*note
we have situation when cloak using not to escape(to all, whoread this tread: please dont speculate with facts - when jedi RUNS from bh running with FR2/3 or cloak it's all ok,BUT when jedi use cloak to give self a break to regain force,shake off state or dot,empty stomach,etc. its a diffrent situation)
note*
can bh do damage,states or dots to cloacked jedi? NO
can bh break cloak with damage, dot or state? NO
conclusion:
cloak need to be balanced.
Chopper_ wrote:
Actually Jedi cloak can be looked at from several points.
1: In a Jedi/BH confrontation, if a Jedi cloaks, and either runs away, or uses it as a means to regenerate and/or prepare for further battle, then the BH always has the option of either dropping the mission, or running away himself, and wait for another opportunity. In this sense it could be argued as Balanced. Since neither would win or lose, it would be Equal.
2: In a Jedi/BH situations, the Cloak may not be a "I Win Button", but it is definately a "I Wont Lose Button". Cloak is a powerfull escape tool, wich means that a Jedi with such a powerfull tool for survival at his/her disposal has very little fear of gaining Vis because of the ease that a Jedi can escape and survive. Wich IMHO goes against the game mechanics, and should be adressed in some way
3: Jedi Cloak goes beyond the BH/Jedi situations, and spills into the GCW where it can be used as a very powerfull first strike advantage. The ability to easily get into melee striking distance of a target without ever being detected is an extremely strong advantage that is unequaled by any other professions advantages. Even Riflemans Cover doesnt compare. In my opinion THIS is extremely unbalancing.
So in closing, I personally think that Cloak could be tweaked a little as to limit its effectiveness as a offensive tool. Other than that, its doing its job as far as the Jedi/BH situations are concerned.
WaDD111 wrote:
*note
we have situation when cloak using not to escape(to all, whoread this tread: please dont speculate with facts - when jedi RUNS from bh running with FR2/3 or cloak it's all ok,BUT when jedi use cloak to give self a break to regain force,shake off state or dot,empty stomach,etc. its a diffrent situation)
note*
can bh do damage,states or dots to cloacked jedi? NO
can bh break cloak with damage, dot or state? NO
conclusion:
cloak need to be balanced.
Your retarded lol, they are f*cking INVISABLE. Quite different from moves that enhance your defense, your comparing apples to oranges here. It's like compareing the a-bomb to a 9mm pistol.
And actually your dead WRONG, aoe attacks can hit cloaked jedi. By your logic cloak is balanced. Matter of fact if you get an aoe kd somehow(commando) you can break their cloak.
TheMonkeyDude wrote:
WaDD111 wrote:
Your retarded lol, they are f*cking INVISABLE. Quite different from moves that enhance your defense, your comparing apples to oranges here. It's like compareing the a-bomb to a 9mm pistol.
And actually your dead WRONG, aoe attacks can hit cloaked jedi. By your logic cloak is balanced. Matter of fact if you get an aoe kd somehow(commando) you can break their cloak.
As for using invisiability to come back into the fight, that's a legitimate and very smart use of the ability. I actually like to cloak, watch the hate tells, and then wail the bh's in under 5 seconds.
You shouldnt call people names. WADD wasnt insulting anyone, and especiallydidntattack you personally. I know you want to defend your Cloak, but there is no need to be rude.
As for your comment it is obvious that you like to use Cloak as a greifing tool, wich is what Cloak has turned into. Cloak is one of the reasons that the GCW is dead. Jedi running around Cloaked, and using it as an undetectable first strike advantage seriously unbalancing. And no Riflemans Cover doesnt compare.
If you read the 2 posts up, Chopper gives some very good points. Try not to be childish, and insulting, and think of the balance of the game, and how unbalances effect everyone.
WaDD111 wrote:
look at this:
bh and jedi begin fight,blah blah ,then jedi is ___________(out of mind, low of health,etc. fill what you like), shhhhh +Cloak+ , and my opponent full of dots, staying in front of me and wait for regen/dropping dots,channel, or just opening drink in RL.......
i has about 47 min long fight yesterday,and my mark and i cant kill each other.
This skill is broken,its ruins game mechanics,and need to be fixed/nerfed (call it as you like)
1.increase entering cloak range (33-60m)
2.make longer cooldown
3.move it to master box
4.give bh ability to break cloak (with looong cooldown)
PS
and a last one
after fight begins and jedi goes cloaked,jedi have our "Alpha strike" ability
Unfortunately i have basic english,but i hope you catch my idea.
Yet another nerf this, nerf that, yada yada yada, blablabla.
Fighting a Jedi shouldn't last 47 minutes. Either you take him of guard by surprise and kill him fast, or the Jedi wins. This just proves again that Jedi has already been nerfed way too much. Jedi power should be given back to what they were originally: someone to avoid at all cost.
Virtuell wrote:
Perhaps a timer should apply once a bounty hunter has engaged the target (10 - 15 minutes). When time is up the mission is over, then there wouldn't be any long fights.
i think i found better way - just deny /channel while cloaked
WaDD111 wrote:
Virtuell wrote:
Perhaps a timer should apply once a bounty hunter has engaged the target (10 - 15 minutes). When time is up the mission is over, then there wouldn't be any long fights.
i think i found better way - just deny /channel while cloaked
Then you would cry beacuse 5 times more jedi would show up, you know, if one has cloak, he stays cloaked everywhere. lol