Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: PROPOSAL: Enhance Jedi vs. BH Gameplay -- Reward Jedi and Penalize BH's for defeat
blademaster30
Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:22 am
#131
not all just some
Nullified wrote:
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sounds like saber envy to me
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You know, you shouldn't try to judge on everybody taking your kind, Jedi, as the starting point. Not everybody needs to compensate a lack of mental development with a glowstick and especially those who actually have a clue about MMORPG and Star Wars don't need it.
Message Edited by Nullified on 09-08-2005 04:16 PM
Smerk
Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:25 am
#132
AnvilX wrote:
So jedi get no reward in the current system?
The are allowed to BE jedi... thats all there is.
In a world where they are supposed to be extinct, this seems to be a pretty neat reward. Or am I missing something here?
Reward jedi? Permadeath gone, XP loss from non-player deaths gone, vis from group members gone, jedi's name from terminals gone, Kashyyyk...
All things come attached with a price and thats the price to be jedi, the alpha profession. I dont mind that they run, I would be happier if they would be concerned of not getting vis though.
Ugh... yeah. The point was there's no reward for Jedi to stay and fight. Run or not, still a Jedi. Live to glow another day and all that.
Xoreshear
Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:56 am
#133
Many j3di willingly build templates that are known to be more vulnerable to BH|CM because they are building for effectiveness vs other j3di, which is what most of PvP is anyway. Fecking, KOTOR. Too bad they can't have it all.
AnvilX
Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:05 am
#134
blademaster30 wrote:
AnvilX wrote:
So jedi get no reward in the current system?
The are allowed to BE jedi... thats all there is.
In a world where they are supposed to be extinct, this seems to be a pretty neat reward. Or am I missing something here?
Reward jedi? Permadeath gone, XP loss from non-player deaths gone, vis from group members gone, jedi's name from terminals gone, Kashyyyk...
All things come attached with a price and thats the price to be jedi, the alpha profession. I dont mind that they run, I would be happier if they would be concerned of not getting vis though.
sounds like saber envy to me
lol
I am well aware that mine isn't bigger than yours, but what amazes me is that for you, yours doesn't seem BIG enough.
Apart from that you are missing the point.
AnvilX
Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:22 am
#135
Smerk wrote:
AnvilX wrote:
So jedi get no reward in the current system?
The are allowed to BE jedi... thats all there is.
In a world where they are supposed to be extinct, this seems to be a pretty neat reward. Or am I missing something here?
Reward jedi? Permadeath gone, XP loss from non-player deaths gone, vis from group members gone, jedi's name from terminals gone, Kashyyyk...
All things come attached with a price and thats the price to be jedi, the alpha profession. I dont mind that they run, I would be happier if they would be concerned of not getting vis though.
Ugh... yeah. The point was there's no reward for Jedi to stay and fight. Run or not, still a Jedi. Live to glow another day and all that.
Ok. I can see that fact. In my opinion there should be no need to attach a reward. For me this is a little like being factioned. There is no reward attached to going ouvert as well. Players still PvP because they choose to, even without any other reward.
I know that there are many differences that could be discussed, but this thread is certainly not the place for it. Its more like that everyone who chooses the path of jedi should be aware that there will be BH coming after him and that there is the risk of XP loss attached. The reward is a profession that is stronger than the regular ones, if used properly. Higher risk, higher gain.
Those that just want to be jedi because they can "PWN ALL" will deffo not agree. But they are those that run and cry nerf in the first place. This goes with every other profession as well of course, especially with ours. They just seem to gather more in the jedi profession because it has the most potential to be "uber".
battosai20
Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:43 am
#136
Why does it even matter when someone can just respec their musician XP to MBH again? The problem is not with BH controlling the Jedi population, because that obviously isn't working. There are hundreds of jedi running around, and they don't have any problem xping in groups. This is not a Grief tactic for a BH to take a mission and kill a jedi, why should the BH be punished? If you don't want to be attacked then don't go jedi, or pick a faction, it's punishment enough for the BH to spend 3 or 4 days waiting for their Jedi Bounty to stop hiding in his house.
Basically what you are saying is that if the BH doesn't defeat a full temp jedi he should be punished!! Well if a BH was the equivalent of a full temp jedi then maybe I would agree with you, and if that happened we all know that the Jedi would complain. I think the problem is that some jedi dont' take the time to learn their character and think out what branches they want, so that they know their characters strengths and weaknesses. Jedi always complain about BH attacking them when they are engaged with a MOB, this isn't dirty this is a good tactic, I don't usually do it that way, but I don't blame people that do. If you were fighting Mike Tyson would you just stand in front of him and go toe to toe? You have to be resourceful, and Jedi hate the fact that they can't just run around wielding their light saber and not getting called on it. I know a lot of good players who are Jedi and they are scared to lose the XP and they take precautions against it, every time I meet them somewhere using find friend when I come up on my speeder they assume I am a BH there to kill them, and they are ready to fight, they watch every blue triangle on their screen, and keep an eye on the person. I think it adds some much needed fun to the game, if you just went out and killed Kimos or Krayts all day it would get boring after a while.
Remember BH is a normal profession, Jedi is a profession you must earn, don't punish a BH for attempting to do his job. Jedi was never meant to be easy, why do you think there are so many IMPS and Dark Jedi? No one wants to run around and risk getting scanned by imperial patrols, so they join the IMP side just to avoid the scans, that's why PVP has slowed toa crawl. People are scared of a challenge I know there is a lot invested in XP and what not, but you have to deal with it; anyone can make the same argument about losing time and effort put into the game; I spent hours of my time Mastering Scout, Mastering Marksman, and running hours of Investigations missions back when there were no speeders, and the missions were bugged. Imagine running 4000m on foot only to find your mark is white and unattackable. I come back and all the reqs were lowered for BH, all the Jedi alts are BH's for the loot, and most of the BH's are respec'd. So I can say I should have just mastered merchant and respec'd to MBH without ever running an Investigations mission. I wasted all that time and XP for nothing, I could have just thrown up avendor and put a 1 credit access fee on my house, and MBH 3 weeks later after respec.
If you are going to punish a BH take away a percentage of his credits, because lord knows that BH's aren't all that rich, or make him get double decay on his equipment. What I really want to see is, a system that punishes BH's for not taking bounties, if you don't run X amount of BH missions per week you lose a box in the BH tree. What purpose is there to being a BH if you don't take Bounties?
I guess we should also put in a system that punishes smugglers for crappy slices, something like a bad slice meter.
Phantom513
Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:46 am
#137
AnvilX wrote:
Smerk wrote:
AnvilX wrote:
So jedi get no reward in the current system?
The are allowed to BE jedi... thats all there is.
In a world where they are supposed to be extinct, this seems to be a pretty neat reward. Or am I missing something here?
Reward jedi? Permadeath gone, XP loss from non-player deaths gone, vis from group members gone, jedi's name from terminals gone, Kashyyyk...
All things come attached with a price and thats the price to be jedi, the alpha profession. I dont mind that they run, I would be happier if they would be concerned of not getting vis though.
Ugh... yeah. The point was there's no reward for Jedi to stay and fight. Run or not, still a Jedi. Live to glow another day and all that.
Ok. I can see that fact. In my opinion there should be no need to attach a reward. For me this is a little like being factioned. There is no reward attached to going ouvert as well. Players still PvP because they choose to, even without any other reward.
I know that there are many differences that could be discussed, but this thread is certainly not the place for it. Its more like that everyone who chooses the path of jedi should be aware that there will be BH coming after him and that there is the risk of XP loss attached. The reward is a profession that is stronger than the regular ones, if used properly. Higher risk, higher gain.
Those that just want to be jedi because they can "PWN ALL" will deffo not agree. But they are those that run and cry nerf in the first place. This goes with every other profession as well of course, especially with ours. They just seem to gather more in the jedi profession because it has the most potential to be "uber".
Wanna know what the reward is for a Jedi staying and not fleeing. For me anyways it's:
Smashing your pathetic attempt to kill me into the ground, along with your pathetic, frail, Force-absent body. While I watch the bh clone and send hate tells "oh you sploiter" "oh my dinner was burning" S7FUCome one come all. Ill send you back to Jabba in F'n Ziplock bags biattttch. I have an /lol macro when i fight bhs. As I carelessly dispose of them in a matter of 2-4 min laughing at the feeble attempt to injure me.
canova
Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:53 pm
#138
Nathanielstarr wrote:
So why dont jedi just openly admit "I cannot hack the difficulties of beinga jedi and I do not want to be hunted butI want all the benefits" instead of making stupid proposals like these.
I just so can't wait for when the change will be implemented and we'll be able to tell the BH :"So why don't BH just openly admit "I cannot hack the difficulty of being a hunter and I do not want to hunt but I want all the benefits" instead of making stupid proposals like these".
(Oh and when Griefer of the day number 1 comes after us, dude, we also waste money in our food and spice and stims.)
Nathanielstarr
Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:09 pm
#139
KingoftheGrind wrote:
Bottom line pale , Bh are put in the game to keep jedi away from new players . There are already a ton of jedi in game , to make it easier for jedi is only gonan make more jedi ! This is SWg not jedi Academy. We need more challenge . i get so bored with my jedi , I play my alt 90% more than jedi .
The life of jedi is excitment and challenge , you guys want to all stand around showing off your force heals and newest FOM template in front of all the noobies. Come on , I became jedi becasue i wanted challenge , and right now i have very little threat when i log on , to give BH a penalty would only make fewer BH hunt me and i dont want that ,
If you want to be jedi without the threat or challenge go play jedi acadmey please. nuff said .
You're right. Jedi should be for the guys that want a challenge not for people that want things easier. Jedi should be what you do when you've mastered everything else. It should be reserved for the best.
freak88
Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:12 pm
#140
the penalty to bh for losing, and reward to jedi for winning is long, long overdue.
Phantom513
Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:09 am
#141
Vunil wrote:
/slap phantom
your the one of the whiner jedis. God forbid you lose. i bet if your the guy who talks all the smack when u kill one, even tho your more powerful than the bh, yet when u get licked you whine and whine and whine. no wonder the jedi community gets what they want bah! go troll your own forums jedi.
lol
Im undefeated since pre-cu, so come on over to sunrunner and have a shot
BTW the post was not meant towards anyone but the poster that quoted. further note I would never badmouth a bh for his attempt to kill me. It takes a lot of guts to go 1v1 with a full temp.
BTW the post was not meant towards anyone but the poster that quoted. further note I would never badmouth a bh for his attempt to kill me. It takes a lot of guts to go 1v1 with a full temp.
1theman1
Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:45 pm
#142
what im thinkin is bh's should not be penilized for a losein to a jedi....because there would be a good decrease of bh hunting jedi..and me personally i like being hunted
...and about jedi being rewarded for beating a bh.....the pvp rateing is reward enough for me.....just a thought
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Ephrath
Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:11 pm
#143
What are you? Blind? BH are already saying this. Every time we go out and hunt a Jedi there is an overwhelming possibility we are going to get killed. The BH that you see still hunting Jedi are hunting because we love the hunt, not because of the monetary rewards. We burn up more cashin replacing equipment and buying food than weget back from the hunts themselves. If Jedi is made any stronger then the possibility of beating a Jedi will be none at all and BH will no longer have any value as a profession. The comments made by Nathanielstarr are more than valid and if you dont believe it than grind BH with your alt and learn it for yourself. Until you can speak from experience shut the hell up.
canova wrote:
Nathanielstarr wrote:
So why dont jedi just openly admit "I cannot hack the difficulties of beinga jedi and I do not want to be hunted butI want all the benefits" instead of making stupid proposals like these.
I just so can't wait for when the change will be implemented and we'll be able to tell the BH :"So why don't BH just openly admit "I cannot hack the difficulty of being a hunter and I do not want to hunt but I want all the benefits" instead of making stupid proposals like these".
(Oh and when Griefer of the day number 1 comes after us, dude, we also waste money in our food and spice and stims.)