Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Regarding House-Jedi (Updated 10/14)
Penguinzx
Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:12 am
#118
I wasn't sure where to put this as there seem to be several on-going threads about house hiding, but this one seemed most official. I've run across my share of Jedi hiding in houses, and while it is annoying, I can't say I've really ever felt it needed a "fix". I usually go under cover, crawl up to their house and wait a couple of minutes.If they're just standing still the whole time, I drop the mission and move on. I do it all the time with NPC missions if they're too far from a starport, or they look like they're in a spot that will be bugged. It's just a matter of efficiency.
Sure, I'd like it if I could get to every mark I was after in 10 minutes and get right to the fight, but the nature of the BH profession demands patience. If you aren't patient enough to spend an extra 10 minutes to drop a mission and get another, BH probably isn't the profession for you. I'm not trying to insult anyone, it's just a playstyle issue. I will never be a crafter, I couldn't deal with the level of micromanagement it requires. That's not a reason to say weaponsmith needs to be changed, it just means it's not the profession for me.
Now, this may destroy all my credibility on the matter, but I've been a BH since the CU. Yes, I'm a notorious respec BH. I've had a reasonable degree of success killing jedi, even full templates, and that's as a MBH/Mrifles/Pistoleer 0003, no healing. However, I recently unlocked my jedi, but am staying a BH. I'll be going with a hybrid template just for the thrill of hunting Jedi witht heir own tricks. My point in laying all this out for you is to illustrate a point. Aside from being an MBH and a Jedi I am also a pretty dedicated interior decorator. As such I spend a lot of time in various houses, whether they be my own, or other peoples' that I'm decorating for them. I make sure all of the houses are set to private now that I am technically a Jedi. If I ever do end up on the terminals, the last thing I want is to be kicked out of the house I am working on just because some BH is too impatient to go find another fight. If I am decorating I am not in the mood for a fight.
Being in a house severely restricts what a Jedi can be doing. They aren't gaining xp, they aren't out killing anyone else, at most they're moving some stuff around their house. This is one of those things that requires that we all acknowledge that there is someone else on the other side of the screen. If someone is in their house they have effectively removed themselves from the game. As such, no one should have the right to go in and engage them in combat just because they don't want to be bothered to get a new mission. Jedi are fair game from the moment they log in, there should be at least somewhere they can go to take a break from combat for a bit.
That's just my needlessly wordy take on it though.
Achyutathewook
Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:19 am
#119
SamousNemo wrote:
Ukadia wrote:
The BH must use a lot if action and/or mind to get the jedi out of his house with a certain move which will TEF both players and you can only use it once per mission.
Again, removing a player from a house is not something I will pursue.
Why not? Think about it.... We are bounty hunters... You actually think in the SWG universe that a BH cannot enter a structure? I agree with the OP (the one you just replied to). I understand that you want us to think about what should be done, but at the same time it is right to just start off the thread with a "I will not" statement. Remember, you are here to support us.
Achyutathewook
Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:21 am
#120
JuddaFett wrote:
Wales wrote:
Here's an option...grab another mission. Although I would like the ability to enter bases while flagged to be changed.
QFE!!! Superb Idea
Although, if I had to come up with a solution..what about a system message from the droid that says "Your mark is in a private structure and the waypoint has been updated to your datapad"
This way impatient bounty hunters can drop the mission if they're looking for a quicker fight.
This is the best idea yet... in fact, I feel to add to it, we should have the mark's name at the Spynet as well. If the jedi dont like us having an advantage on killing them, what hurts about us having the total advantage on finding them. This is SW for crying out loud... BH's had superb technology for hunting their mark... onlyin SWG do we not get the same love.
Nisdain
Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:25 am
#121
Achyutathewook wrote:
SamousNemo wrote:
Ukadia wrote:
The BH must use a lot if action and/or mind to get the jedi out of his house with a certain move which will TEF both players and you can only use it once per mission.
Again, removing a player from a house is not something I will pursue.
Why not? Think about it.... We are bounty hunters... You actually think in the SWG universe that a BH cannot enter a structure? I agree with the OP (the one you just replied to). I understand that you want us to think about what should be done, but at the same time it is right to just start off the thread with a "I will not" statement. Remember, you are here to support us.
As someone else said: in the Star Wars universe don't you think everyone would know you're a bounty hunter and be able to take you out no matter what the reason whenever they like? Probably not. Thats why the excuse really doesn't honestly hold up.
Damian-j
Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:14 am
#122
Achyutathewook wrote:
JuddaFett wrote:
Wales wrote:
Here's an option...grab another mission. Although I would like the ability to enter bases while flagged to be changed.
QFE!!! Superb Idea
Although, if I had to come up with a solution..what about a system message from the droid that says "Your mark is in a private structure and the waypoint has been updated to your datapad"
This way impatient bounty hunters can drop the mission if they're looking for a quicker fight.
This is the best idea yet... in fact, I feel to add to it, we should have the mark's name at the Spynet as well. If the jedi dont like us having an advantage on killing them, what hurts about us having the total advantage on finding them. This is SW for crying out loud... BH's had superb technology for hunting their mark... onlyin SWG do we not get the same love.
This game is not Star Wars, itsSGW, completely different. In Star Wars Jedi could kill someone with 1 swipe of their saber, in SWG people can heal faster than Jedi can damage.
Your argument is pointless.
BHPansy
Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:14 am
#123
I don't see what the big problem is... the terms frequently have only one or two NPC missions per page. If you get a Jedi afk in his house, go get another mission. Frankly, I don't see why a jedi should do anything other than decorate if you're dumb enough to roll right up to hiss house and stand outside eatinf foods/spices and with a full doc buff.
Phaelyn
Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:34 am
#124
I think one of the biggest issues we are all having in this discussion is not quite understanding exacty WHAT it is to HUNT.
Hunting is NOT a guarantee of a battle, regardless of whether it is a Jedi (PVP) or an NPC mark (PVE). Perhaps you've noticed the "Mission Incomplete" messages? Hunting is just that, the process of finding your mark. Battle after finding it really IS optional. Many BH drop missions for various reasons without ever firing one shot - The Mark is on Kashyyyk, the mark is deep on Dathomir surrounded by Nightsisters, what have you.
I for one tracked a mark yesterday, and they were AFK in their house. I dropped the mission like a hot potato, grabbed another mission - And this one was AFK as well - In Theed Cantina. I'm sure you know the result. My efforts were rewarded. If I had dwelled on the AFKer in their house, let it make me angry or annoyed, I may have missed the easy kill - And the 225k payoff that came with it.
So why is it such a big deal to drop the mission when you find your mark house sitting? Is it the loss of a couple seekers and a Arakayd? Our eventual rewards buy those back ten-fold. Is it that you don't have your fun? We can just take another mission - Why dwell on a setback?
jdarklion
Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:48 am
#125
House Bounties are not in contention as to whether you can do it or not, but when every jedi goes and house sits leaving no jedi to do bounties on but still lists thier missions, that is silly. Maybe a scenario where if they are sitting in thier house and no one is actively on thier mission (keep the 3 day rule as to when the mission is marked incomplete) keeep them from being listed in the terminal as they are (in hiding) but if they are running around out of thier house for about 30 min of game time have the terminals updated with their information so that we can pull the mission. If we have their mission and they run into a house we should be able to keep thier mission for the 3 Day timer in case they come out. This would clear up the terminals to find active missions but still allow the jedi the option to run in the house as that is not an exploit. from that point on though if you pull that jedis mission again you know where he might hole up and be able to lay a better trap for him.
thats just my opinion though.. thoughts?
Alixir
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:36 am
#126
To the BH that think the devs are going to make it possible to get a jedi out of thier private structure........keep dreamin!!!!
To the real BH that find thier mark afk in a house, and drop the mission so they can hunt a jedi that is not in a house instead of crying on the forums like a 14 year old kid that wants everything giftwrapped....kudos to us.
Phaelyn
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:51 am
#127
DarkStarRa wrote:
"So why is it such a big deal to drop the mission when you find your mark house sitting? Is it the loss of a couple seekers and a Arakayd? Our eventual rewards buy those back ten-fold. Is it that you don't have your fun? We can just take another mission - Why dwell on a setback?"
I think the real problem hasnt even started yet and people are talking about it early.. I think what people really fear with this is all the Jedi just not signing off and house sitting. If that happened the majority of marks pulled would be absolutely worthless. Right now i don't see it as a problem but like anything that can be exploited.. It will be eventually.
Anything is possible, of course - The human tendency to want to annoy is overwhelming. But I honestly believe we are being just a tad TOO proactive to assume that since SOME do it now, ALL will do it eventually.
One of the biggest complaints from the rest of the population is that there are "too many Jedi" out and about. If Jedi begin to fear us so much, and decide that sitting AFK in their house is the answer - I say we've done our job of population control. We may not be killing them at that point - But we ARE controlling them.
DarkStarRa
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:57 am
#128
"I honestly believe we are being just a tad TOO proactive to assume that since SOME do it now, ALL will do it eventually."
Well, I think it would of those old school gamer things.. We have all seen great games ruined by exploiters that started with a few and grew to masses. Really though, If we protect ourselves from them the whole time through nerfing our way out of existence. Eh.. Not much better ending really lol.
As for population control, I guess that would be keeping them out of group PVP.
Dlek_Krego
Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:28 am
#129
DarkStarRa wrote:
"So why is it such a big deal to drop the mission when you find your mark house sitting? Is it the loss of a couple seekers and a Arakayd? Our eventual rewards buy those back ten-fold. Is it that you don't have your fun? We can just take another mission - Why dwell on a setback?"
I think the real problem hasnt even started yet and people are talking about it early.. I think what people really fear with this is all the Jedi just not signing off and house sitting. If that happened the majority of marks pulled would be absolutely worthless. Right now i don't see it as a problem but like anything that can be exploited.. It will be eventually.
What is funny, is alot of Jedi wouldn't even think of house sitting just to be annoying until they read threads like this and think to themselves "Hey it really DOES tick 'em off! HMMMMM..."
If each BH would just drop and go for the next, then you are taking away that Jedi's ability to annoy you, and then their purpose is lost...and thus won't be doing it just to tick ya off.
Zekk-
Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:11 am
#130
ok most houses are in a city with a shuttleport, the most time you waste is like five minutes. This isn't a problem, this is just how the game is. Id rather the devs fix real problems and not a gripe.