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Thread: New pathetic Jedi tactic
trifidac wrote:
"garaunteed "you can't kill me" button." ??
Ever thought about using advanced aim, denutrium-pyro, pets, bomb droid? /chuckle.
AvataroftheSith wrote:
DarkStarRa wrote:
AvataroftheSith
I do, Hah I stay between my profession forum and my local galaxy trade forum.. But i have seen this same Jedi thing going on in every part of the board for every profession i have mastered so far. Not thatJedi are not more then free to go around wherethey want, but it does get old for everyone else.
It gets old for Jedi getting blamed for every reason you can't kill us besides us JUST BEING BETTER THAN YOU. We will defend ourselves when attacked.
i haven't been killed in a long time and when/if that day comes i will not cry explot.
Being a poorly designed and unbalanced Alpha Class profession doesn't make you better. It just makes you a player of a poorly designed and unbalanced Alpha Class profession.
mickolakis wrote:
trifidac wrote:
"garaunteed "you can't kill me" button." ??
Ever thought about using advanced aim, denutrium-pyro, pets, bomb droid? /chuckle.
If any pure BH can post who have used these tactics to beat this macro then I stand corrected and will apologise. If there is a way to take a mark down using this macro then IMO it is not a bug, if there isn't then it is a flaw in the game mechanics.This game has to be rock, paper scissors, not merely rock & paper. There must always be a way for the more skilled player to win or escape, other wise whats the point?
Disarming shot, Startle Shot, concussion shot can disrupt macros- this is how Jedi with master enhancer counters master defenders using AI.
mickolakis wrote:
trifidac wrote:
"garaunteed "you can't kill me" button." ??
Ever thought about using advanced aim, denutrium-pyro, pets, bomb droid? /chuckle.
If any pure BH can post who have used these tactics to beat this macro then I stand corrected and will apologise. If there is a way to take a mark down using this macro then IMOit is not a bug, if there isn't then it is a flaw in the game mechanics.
This game has to be rock, paper scissors, not merely rock & paper. There must always be a way for the more skilled player to win or escape, other wise whats the point?
You have to knock them down, to maybe do enough damage.
The trouble comes in with the fact that we only hit maybe 1 in 7 shots on a Defender with Aura up,(which also makes the disarm/startle tactic challenging)and the timer before we can use KD again is too long for the tactic to very useful. Having the ability to toss on Fire/Dis/Poi to make them use force to heal is also useful.
Pure ranged againsta Jedi pulling this is basically out of luck for the most part.
If you can afford to keep using them... Bomb droids will come in handy if the Jedi is going to just stand there.
Message Edited by Auraboron on 09-30-2005 11:56 AM
mickolakis wrote:
"By all means keep abusing the aura/valour/heal bug"
ROFL
well if you don't use all you gun skills then we won't use our skills
Message Edited by blademaster30 on 09-30-2005 12:32 PM
None of our gun skills are a guarenteed kill "I win" button, neither do non jedi have a guarenteed "You can't kill me" button.
I'm all for Jedi being 1.5 x more powerful than regular professions, thats the fun in hunting them. The fact that any profession can become invincible at the push of a button to me seems slightly unbalancing and is probably agianst what SOE has in mind.
None of the BH as of yet have posted an idea of how to beat someone using this macro. If there is no way to beat someone using the macro then the chances are the Devs will change the game mechanics which will be a bad thing for the majority of Jedi who don't abuse it.
If a BH found a way to guarentee a kill every time I'm sure the Jedi community would be upsets and rightly so. PvP is about skill and tactics not merely pressing a button to make you invulnerable.
well the jedi may not lose but then he is using his force power to stay alive and not attack.
so he is giving up the abillity to kill theBH to save himself sounds like a good trade off to me.
preja wrote:
Dude do you know what visibility is ?? it is your own damn fault to have a hunter on youYou should have read into that before you went jedi.... So to break the game mech when you fail to use the visibility system well should justify everything.
to my understanding i see jedi trying to get visiblity alot and then they do crap like this and they say i was trying to defend myself. And it may not be you doing it but its certainly being done regardless of you jedi who always implement the fact that you always win regardless of any tricks? you guys ever hear yourselves and relize not a single bhunter gives a crap about a jedi beating him in a duel Really we just want to kill your jedi and be on our way. Should i get some a Ss who masses visibility and screws me over with this crap i drop the mission and leave before he can come back with full power know your stronger then them and let that be enough until they fix this...
"you guys ever hear yourselves and relize not a single bhunter gives a crap about a jedi beating him in a duel"
omfg! you guys are all noob's! here was my reply to this thread!
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bounty_hunter&message.id=544808
SWG_Miriam wrote:
i've had jedi try to do that to me, but my accuracy is high enough that i can overcome his force aura and deal enough damage to keep him healing and using force. they usually wise up, stop doing it, and start running.
the only ones you cannot outdamage faster than their healing/regen are the ones who pop a health buff crystal and have aura+valor running. there is nothing to do when a jedi has 6400 health because your DPS can never overcome 6400 health. only way to beat them then is to wait 2 hours for their crystal to wear off. LOL. i usually just write-off these situations as if a jedi ran into a private house and is unattackable.
think of it this way: if a jedi could kill you, he would, but they do these "tricks" because they can't. basically, you've won by forfeit if a jedi does this or runs.
mickolakis wrote:
Lear77 wrote:
So you can use duelist stance, armor, roots, knockdowns, and intimidate.. yet jedi can't use aura, valor, and heal? This definitly sounds to me like you want the jedi to just fall at your feet everytime you present yourself with their mission. You asked if doing nothing is the best tactic. In this instance it obviously was since it compelled you to come here and whine about it.
Lear
Again the point is that no other profession has a cast iron, guarenteed "You can't kill me" button.
Yes other professions can use duelist stance, armor, roots, knockdowns or whatever but we can still die. As a CM if I get attacked I can stand still in my armour and spam bacta jab/toss/spray with my duelist stance going, but I'll run out of mind very quickly regardless of food and healing efficiency. There is no skill that I have that can replace my mind faster than I can use it continously healing. What we have here is essentially "God Mode" and IMO that is unbalancing.
If a Jedi runs and escapes or cloaks that is fair enough, if a Jedi beats a BH that is fair enough too. What does seem unfair and unbalancing is that one particular profession is completely unbeatable without having to do anything other than press a button to run a macro. No BH wants a Jedi to fall at his feet, most want a good chase and a good fight, they're in it for the sport not the money or the greifing.
As i said before you can laugh and call anyone who complains about this a whiner, but if you abuse the game mechanics like this you will end up with another nerf.
Jedi have been nerfed enough already, mainly because a small number of them find ways around the games mechanics/physics to give themselves an unfair advantage (abuse of cloak in places like the DWB etc). This leads to heavy handed across the board responses form SOE in the form of nerfs.
By all means keep abusing the aura/valour/heal bug, but you will only have yourself to blame when it is "fixed" by nerfing one or more parts of aura, valour or heal thus making jedi even weaker.
This is not an abuse of the mechanics. All BH are different so i will refuse to group all that have worn the title as the same. I have used this tactic against very weak templates of BH, usually when they catch me when im low or in a conversation with a guildie- now a good BH who knows what he is doing , this really isnt an option for the whole fight and i have to root and run out and channel. The big difference here is that if a defender or master defender can do this- you really need to reevalute the equipment and/or skill you brought into this fight. All BH are not created equal and the best ones on my server deserve my attention and on the other hand, the ones who are weaker then them get no love or attention. Sorry, if this disturbs you but I think if you have the equipment and tactics he wouldn't be able to do this. Now my saber really sucks - so if someone comes with a healing temp then im wasting force hacking at his butt but in the same token if he comes with sucky equipment i can pull this off so we are at a stalemate- makes no sense complaining about a tactic that works and its no bug. 1.5 means 1.5 better than a competent character- you may need totake a look in the mirror and see where you stand on that competent baseline.
Morpheus
Dark Jedi Dung Thrower
Kauri server-ex pre-cu BH ( like it matters no - peeps hated me then and now-lol)
Stop saying "all" when it comes to a profession everyone is different.
and mr BH if you catch a jedi low on force it usually takes (barring a holocron) about 18 minutes to regen to 100% why not sit there so he can give you a fight do you want him to just let you kill him, last BH to kill me got his 51,000, 179,000 bonus and 200,000 loot. and i dont dispute his tatics of waiting until a Mob incapped me to strike, my fault for not watching the radar, but had he faced me he would haved died because he was 14 levels lower than I, so he was pretty smart and i comended him, i didnt run to the forums and whine about him letting 30 pikets do his work for him.
its funny to see how all of you (and yes i have a jedi and 2 BH's) want us jedi nerfed, our abilities should work in conjunction how about we nerf your sliced 8100+ AB resist armor and give us jedi premium pearls and awsome tunes back. you have more than enough tools available to any of you to take any jedi, use ur tools on our forum we complain as much about you all as you do us. so to all the BH's and jedi at least as far as the forums are concerned
THE WORLD IS IN BALANCE, WE EQUALLY COMPLAIN ABOUT EACH OTHER
SO HERES THE CHALLENGE WHOS FORUM IS GOING TO NERF THE OTHER FORUM (MAKING THEM THE BIGGEST WHINERS)BY NOT COMPLAINING ANYMORE LOL
Message Edited by _Cicero_ on 09-30-2005 11:10 PM
Message Edited by _Cicero_ on 09-30-2005 11:10 PM
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Jedi that start losing are now doing this to me all the time. It's the MLS Defender types (known because of saber throw knockdown and aura). So what they do is they don't attack, they just regen force and mind while standing there and sometimes kneeling. So with aura up you don't do enough damage to completely take them out. They keep healing, their force regens more than they use and their mind doesn't stay down long enough to finish it.
I'm a good Jedi hunter. Jedi have a hard time killing me. I've taken out 95 of them all by myself. I run them out of force and mind because Im good with my roots and knockdowns and intimidate. I actually fight. I move, change up my attacks and put thought into it. So why reward those for the most mindless tactic?
I don't think it's right that just because of a flaw in game mechanics they can regen force faster than they use it even with heals and aura, while regening mind because other than that theyare doing nothing at all.
Is doing nothing the best tactic for a Jedi?
lmao shut up
Valius_Altmer wrote:
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Jedi that start losing are now doing this to me all the time. It's the MLS Defender types (known because of saber throw knockdown and aura). So what they do is they don't attack, they just regen force and mind while standing there and sometimes kneeling. So with aura up you don't do enough damage to completely take them out. They keep healing, their force regens more than they use and their mind doesn't stay down long enough to finish it.
I'm a good Jedi hunter. Jedi have a hard time killing me. I've taken out 95 of them all by myself. I run them out of force and mind because Im good with my roots and knockdowns and intimidate. I actually fight. I move, change up my attacks and put thought into it. So why reward those for the most mindless tactic?
I don't think it's right that just because of a flaw in game mechanics they can regen force faster than they use it even with heals and aura, while regening mind because other than that theyare doing nothing at all.
Is doing nothing the best tactic for a Jedi?
lmao shut up