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Thread: Bh revamp
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Epoz
Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:28 pm
#1
Hey this is an idea that i have been kicking around in my head awhile and I wanted to see what people thougth about it.
I say get rid of bh as a profession all together since there seems to be so many problems. Instead make it a faction that one can join. I beleive bh should be neutral in this war anyway so we would have no tef's againt declaired imps or rebels. Make certain special moves avalible with faction points and special weapons and armor for example boba fett's armor. This way a bh can study any combat profession they want.
In the future maybe we can get certain devices that will scan players for bounties.
Just an idea!
I say get rid of bh as a profession all together since there seems to be so many problems. Instead make it a faction that one can join. I beleive bh should be neutral in this war anyway so we would have no tef's againt declaired imps or rebels. Make certain special moves avalible with faction points and special weapons and armor for example boba fett's armor. This way a bh can study any combat profession they want.
In the future maybe we can get certain devices that will scan players for bounties.
Just an idea!
AristanTombstone
Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:29 pm
#2
No. And Double No.
Some of us have not spent hours upon hours to reach MBH to have it taken away.
Dukem: Dark Jedi Enforcer
SToD-epidemic
Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:31 pm
#3
Welcome to the board. Pretty good idea but sorry to say the DEVs don't read this fourm.
Epoz
Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:33 pm
#4
AristanTombstone wrote:No. And Double No.
Some of us have not spent hours upon hours to reach MBH to have it taken away.
I am i master bh i know how long it took. This would solve major propblems i am having with it. such as the use of skill points. I do admit it has dowsides such as grinding more exp. I do think that rewards may pay off.
battledroid01
Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:58 pm
#5
lol at Jedi raid bestine pics, i should make an character on intrepid..since im an imp mbh on ahazi to bad i cant move him on intrepid ...Just shows in that pic how sad this game is getting wtih jedi PvPing,lol
...Just shows in that pic how sad this game is getting wtih jedi PvPing,lol
SToD-epidemic
Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:02 pm
#6
Heh you can't really blame them. IfI where the most powerful class in the game and had almost no penalty for getting slain I'd be raiding bestine weekly.
Marky29
Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:38 am
#7
I know alot of people are complaining about the SP drop and that it isn't enough to fix the BH and it is becoming a profession which will in turn not be what everyone wanted and have alot of dabblers. I have an idea which although if the current fix is permanent can still make the BH powerful, as powerful as a knight, be hard to attain, make us respected and all in all the jedi cannot complain that we are that powerful without work as hard as them. I am not saying that we should always be able to solo a knight all the time and win, but at least have enough power to make them think twice about fighting and showing there face rahter than always walking about knowing that we cannot do squat to take them on. I am sure someone has already posted this idea but I have not seen it and would like some feedback on it.
Every BH wants to be good and the majority of us like the idea that its a hard profession to get and we don't like dabblers. What if the bh, like FS character has in some way through missions can evetually unlock an Elite BH which can in turn be moulded to their own BH. As is stands just now you become a master BH, and every other profession will know you skill level, you strenghts, your weakness and perhaps can defend. Thats not what a BH is about (unless you get yourself a reputation) A bh to a jedi should be feared and if you have never met then they should not know how you will attack them. I will try and list what I think should happen within the BH tree.
1) The BH profession as a whole should not be able to hunt jedi until master. That way you will reduce some of the dabblers but you can still get a taste of what it is like. It should still remain a hard and time consuming profession to attain but in the end you are able to hunt jedi. As master then you will possible be only be able to kill easily intitiates and be competitive againnst padawan on various levels. This is also you should be a good pvp fighter in surprise attacks, but not able to defend on ongoing slaughts or groups solo.
2) Once you reach master you can basically go through a sort of Jedi trials system where you can meet and go on quests to learn about the bh profession, from the past, and go on long time consuming events and quests to try and unlock the elite BH tree. This will be like unlocking a FS character which will in turn reflect our power as to why we can compete with jedi so that there is no complaints that it is unfair for us to be powerful becuase it is just as hard to unlock the Elite BH as it is to unlock a Jedi. These quests should be fun and informative and can let you in to parts of the games only BH can go. Perhaps even chances to find older lower condition mandalorian etc to find as loot (but not as good as new ones crafted in the bunker) Perhaps learn about the different arts in how species from the past has fought with jedi to let you later make a choice in how you would like to develop this elite BH. This will elimate dabblers for definite and to be honest only dedicated BH will go through this becuase if it was just for an uber character you might as well become a jedi. This will let BH have a better role play and let us feel that we are continuing on a true profession which will be more rewarding.
3) Once you unlock your Elite BH you have a tree which will work in similar fashion to a Jedi. As many people feel and have stated there is no one way to become a BH. The TKA have in the past been able to fight the Jedi as well as ranged fighters so why not give that as a choice for the elite BH. They can go up various routes of offence in the elite BH tree ranging from mixed melee/ranged or to enitre all out ranged attack. It also will give the choice of either pistolers, carbines, heavy weapons, traps and gadgets etc where they all have their pros and cons and can be mixed as much as the Elite BH skill points will allow. This will allow a variety of BH with their own identity and will suit a player better as to how they like to play. I must stress that these extra skills in the Elite BH are only jedi orientated (or perhaps there is different types of skills to attack each profession), and do not affect normal pvp with other players otherwise we would be Uber Gods which no one will like. These extra things can be better scatters for shooting round sabre blocks, shots that are fast/delayed to dummy shots to make it hard to black, defense extras for force and mods (perhaps gadgets which can be applied to armour etc to defend agains light sabres and force). None of these skills should be able to completley defend against jedi as a top of the range jedi are the most power beings in the galaxy. This would also help in the fact that if/when other PC are introduced then we are not uber against every other character either.You could also split the tree into different profession hunting,for example extra gadgets and skills to hunt smugglers rather than jedi.......... you cannot be both, it would be too difficuilt as such for a person to be able to deal with all professions, it should be more of a way that you choose to dedicate your learning to hunt that kind.
This could also mean that say BH who dedicates his profession to hunt combat medics, then they can be hired more for fighting on pvp just to take out those players. In as sense this will let alot more BH be very different.
Overall with this approach I feel that the BH can then become a profession which many people could enjoy just as much but you would have to be didicated to be the best. It will solve many of the cries of you shouldn't be that powerful without that much work. It will also mean that casual or extreme gamers will get a shot at being the best BH eventually but its not easy to do.
I for one agree that the top jedi are the best. For one mace windu more or less had no problems killing Jango, but he didn't do it instantly. I think that the jedi in the councils or the top jedi should not be able to be solo'd by a any uber BH, but there should be a chance that if they are clumsy and the BH is clever then we could beat them on a one on one encounter, but the odds are very low. This will also get back the feeling that jedi should be in hiding as they do not know what level these BH are and what skills they are strong in, making it difficuilt to defend on a surprise attack. The way a BH should be.
Any thoughts?
Cheers
Marky
xarstealth
Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:45 am
#8
like my idea!! but my english isnt good for explain it 
good word guy
make the BH TOOO difficult to exp!! but...a master bh alone cant defeat a master jedi....only a padawan or a little better if the player is a noob inside
good word guy make the BH TOOO difficult to exp!! but...a master bh alone cant defeat a master jedi....only a padawan or a little better if the player is a noob inside
AgreaAtodlie
Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:19 am
#9
Marky29 wrote:
I know alot of people are complaining about the SP drop and that it isn't enough to fix the BH and it is becoming a profession which will in turn not be what everyone wanted and have alot of dabblers. I have an idea which although if the current fix is permanent can still make the BH powerful, as powerful as a knight, be hard to attain, make us respected and all in all the jedi cannot complain that we are that powerful without work as hard as them. I am not saying that we should always be able to solo a knight all the time and win, but at least have enough power to make them think twice about fighting and showing there face rahter than always walking about knowing that we cannot do squat to take them on. I am sure someone has already posted this idea but I have not seen it and would like some feedback on it.
I don't need to finish the paragraph to know that you haven't realized that once the missions are running again...there will be bounty hunter gank squads again...and even frs Jedi, will get their butts handed to them on a regular basis. No melee defense...Bounty hunters that are more like Jango Fett with unarmed skills as well as a blaster.
Every BH wants to be good and the majority of us like the idea that its a hard profession to get and we don't like dabblers. What if the bh, like FS character has in some way through missions can evetually unlock an Elite BH which can in turn be moulded to their own BH. As is stands just now you become a master BH, and every other profession will know you skill level, you strenghts, your weakness and perhaps can defend. Thats not what a BH is about (unless you get yourself a reputation) A bh to a jedi should be feared and if you have never met then they should not know how you will attack them. I will try and list what I think should happen within the BH tree.
They won't make Bounty hunter a locked profession. There really is no argument to it. They won't do it.
1) The BH profession as a whole should not be able to hunt jedi until master. That way you will reduce some of the dabblers but you can still get a taste of what it is like. It should still remain a hard and time consuming profession to attain but in the end you are able to hunt jedi. As master then you will possible be only be able to kill easily intitiates and be competitive againnst padawan on various levels. This is also you should be a good pvp fighter in surprise attacks, but not able to defend on ongoing slaughts or groups solo.
They nerfed Bounty Hunter because people "complained" we were too powerful...the Devs feel we are still strong. The skill Reduction will already cause people to cry "nerf" for our profession...don't antagonize them...i can't handle yet another nerf...A Bounty Hunter with melee skills (post skill point reduction) will be able to handle a Jedi,...even one in the FRS...
2) Once you reach master you can basically go through a sort of Jedi trials system where you can meet and go on quests to learn about the bh profession, from the past, and go on long time consuming events and quests to try and unlock the elite BH tree. This will be like unlocking a FS character which will in turn reflect our power as to why we can compete with jedi so that there is no complaints that it is unfair for us to be powerful becuase it is just as hard to unlock the Elite BH as it is to unlock a Jedi. These quests should be fun and informative and can let you in to parts of the games only BH can go. Perhaps even chances to find older lower condition mandalorian etc to find as loot (but not as good as new ones crafted in the bunker) Perhaps learn about the different arts in how species from the past has fought with jedi to let you later make a choice in how you would like to develop this elite BH. This will elimate dabblers for definite and to be honest only dedicated BH will go through this becuase if it was just for an uber character you might as well become a jedi. This will let BH have a better role play and let us feel that we are continuing on a true profession which will be more rewarding.
What you are asking for here is near impossible coding wise...They "Could" do it. But with the amount of things they have on their plate currently, this won't be happening for a LONG time...if it did, it would be around 3 to 4 publishes AFTER JTL....
I for one agree that the top jedi are the best. For one mace windu more or less had no problems killing Jango, but he didn't do it instantly. I think that the jedi in the councils or the top jedi should not be able to be solo'd by a any uber BH, but there should be a chance that if they are clumsy and the BH is clever then we could beat them on a one on one encounter, but the odds are very low. This will also get back the feeling that jedi should be in hiding as they do not know what level these BH are and what skills they are strong in, making it difficuilt to defend on a surprise attack. The way a BH should be.
This is already true. A good bh can kill an FRS jedi...if the FRS jedi is stupid...you can have the most "uber" template...and if you are a moron,...you will still die to just about anyone else.
Any thoughts?
Some good ideas. All have been stated before...all have been more or less shot down before.
Cheers
Marky
Marky29
Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:23 am
#10
AgreaAtodlie wrote:
Marky29 wrote:
I know alot of people are complaining about the SP drop and that it isn't enough to fix the BH and it is becoming a profession which will in turn not be what everyone wanted and have alot of dabblers. I have an idea which although if the current fix is permanent can still make the BH powerful, as powerful as a knight, be hard to attain, make us respected and all in all the jedi cannot complain that we are that powerful without work as hard as them. I am not saying that we should always be able to solo a knight all the time and win, but at least have enough power to make them think twice about fighting and showing there face rahter than always walking about knowing that we cannot do squat to take them on. I am sure someone has already posted this idea but I have not seen it and would like some feedback on it.
I don't need to finish the paragraph to know that you haven't realized that once the missions are running again...there will be bounty hunter gank squads again...and even frs Jedi, will get their butts handed to them on a regular basis. No melee defense...Bounty hunters that are more like Jango Fett with unarmed skills as well as a blaster.
I understand that once the missions are running that there will be gangs of BH running around to kill jedi. With this thought people will cry nerf and that people are exploiting which will affect the solo hunters more than the groups of bh. THe reasons why there are groups of BH is becuase you cannot solo Jedi in most ways so it ends up being groups of BH to try and get the job done. If we were powerful enough then you might not got as many of those groups but that will happen anyway cos you always get people who grief and get large groups for camping hunting etc
Every BH wants to be good and the majority of us like the idea that its a hard profession to get and we don't like dabblers. What if the bh, like FS character has in some way through missions can evetually unlock an Elite BH which can in turn be moulded to their own BH. As is stands just now you become a master BH, and every other profession will know you skill level, you strenghts, your weakness and perhaps can defend. Thats not what a BH is about (unless you get yourself a reputation) A bh to a jedi should be feared and if you have never met then they should not know how you will attack them. I will try and list what I think should happen within the BH tree.
They won't make Bounty hunter a locked profession. There really is no argument to it. They won't do it.
I kinda realise they won't do that but its the bigger picture of what the profession should be. The BH are meant to be Jedi hunters and they basically find it hard to do so. I am not saying make them uber powerful but have a way to get to a level of being powerful enough to take on a jedi in a unique way without people complaining that its not fair because they haven't spent the same amount of time becoming a BH. I hear the same cries about BH saying its not fair that we are bad in pvp because its a harder profession or more time consuming to attain and therefore we have this right to be better. I think the way around it is to have the standard BH profession who can do so much and is in a sense equal in combat to other professions and because the jedi have the extra journey to be who they are then to compensate the BH is to have a similar option.
1) The BH profession as a whole should not be able to hunt jedi until master. That way you will reduce some of the dabblers but you can still get a taste of what it is like. It should still remain a hard and time consuming profession to attain but in the end you are able to hunt jedi. As master then you will possible be only be able to kill easily intitiates and be competitive againnst padawan on various levels. This is also you should be a good pvp fighter in surprise attacks, but not able to defend on ongoing slaughts or groups solo.
They nerfed Bounty Hunter because people "complained" we were too powerful...the Devs feel we are still strong. The skill Reduction will already cause people to cry "nerf" for our profession...don't antagonize them...i can't handle yet another nerf...A Bounty Hunter with melee skills (post skill point reduction) will be able to handle a Jedi,...even one in the FRS...
A BH with extra melee will not be able to handle fully fledge knight. There is not enough for them to do so with there defenses. Yes we can be better than we are just now but not up to the standard they are. My idea is not to create uber powerful BH but better equiped BH to fight Jedi. As I said its not for GCW pvp or normal PVP, it would be a dedicated profession style that can only really hunt one type of player.
2) Once you reach master you can basically go through a sort of Jedi trials system where you can meet and go on quests to learn about the bh profession, from the past, and go on long time consuming events and quests to try and unlock the elite BH tree. This will be like unlocking a FS character which will in turn reflect our power as to why we can compete with jedi so that there is no complaints that it is unfair for us to be powerful becuase it is just as hard to unlock the Elite BH as it is to unlock a Jedi. These quests should be fun and informative and can let you in to parts of the games only BH can go. Perhaps even chances to find older lower condition mandalorian etc to find as loot (but not as good as new ones crafted in the bunker) Perhaps learn about the different arts in how species from the past has fought with jedi to let you later make a choice in how you would like to develop this elite BH. This will elimate dabblers for definite and to be honest only dedicated BH will go through this becuase if it was just for an uber character you might as well become a jedi. This will let BH have a better role play and let us feel that we are continuing on a true profession which will be more rewarding.
What you are asking for here is near impossible coding wise...They "Could" do it. But with the amount of things they have on their plate currently, this won't be happening for a LONG time...if it did, it would be around 3 to 4 publishes AFTER JTL....
I also understand that this is certainly not a quick fix and would definitly have to a few publishes after JTL. If you look at the smugglers and the jedi they have been waiting months (the smugglers are still waiting) If they would consider putting this time into the profession you could solve alot of problems and people would wait for the changes if we even knew what we were waiting for and had an input to the game. I am also not suggesting this is the best way to go and by no means hinting at the fact its what every BH wants, but merely another suggestion as to a long overhaul of the profession which would be an alternative to an elite profession such as the Jedi.
I for one agree that the top jedi are the best. For one mace windu more or less had no problems killing Jango, but he didn't do it instantly. I think that the jedi in the councils or the top jedi should not be able to be solo'd by a any uber BH, but there should be a chance that if they are clumsy and the BH is clever then we could beat them on a one on one encounter, but the odds are very low. This will also get back the feeling that jedi should be in hiding as they do not know what level these BH are and what skills they are strong in, making it difficuilt to defend on a surprise attack. The way a BH should be.
This is already true. A good bh can kill an FRS jedi...if the FRS jedi is stupid...you can have the most "uber" template...and if you are a moron,...you will still die to just about anyone else.
I would say only a lucky good bh can kill a not so clever FRS Jedi. If they are both good and prepared you will find that the Jedi will always win. Did you play against the jedi on TC2? It was horrible. They are powerful and I have no qualms in that fact, but if you are going to have a profession which is meant to deal with the jedi (traditionally a solo player) then you cannot really do it just now.
Some good ideas. All have been stated before...all have been more or less shot down before.
I thought some of these ideas have been stated bfore as I have read some. As I said I am not looking for this as a solution but perhaps it could be an alternative. In my opinion from star wars there are 3 main profession types, jedi , smuggler and bounty hunter (from the films {also tka could fit in there with their background) These are the ones where there have been more stories written about and why alot of people will come to play SWG. Yes you do get players who play these games and are looking for professions such as entertainers, medics, crafters etc but alot of players have come to SWG as there first MMOPG becuase of the characters they saw in the films. Thats why the jedi are there, cos more people want to be jedi to be powerful and to live in the star wars galaxy as one. The BH profession has its own attraction and you cannot get the same feel for the profession ingame as you would to expect like you do with the Jedi.
I admit my opinions will be shot down as you are pointing out, but i cannot see why it would be a problem if you can create this profession without being uber in all aspects. The only problems I can see is things like "why should the BH get an extra part to their profession when others can't" and my reason is that the stories kind of dictate it and pull in players which have seen this in the movies.
Bountyholder
Sun Jul 04, 2004 12:39 am
#11
Yea here is what I am thinkin for my BH Id like ur opinons or give me ur template
BH 3/0/0/4
TKM
TKA seems to be the only profession able to hold a candle to Jedi and...I just really like the LLC in PvE
hopkins
Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:38 am
#13
Im sorry but i douse the bords much but dose any1 know if thay plan to do anythang to help the BH skill ? Not needing the master scout is nice and is a little help but not enough im 3444 bh now and its a little sad how much i get killed and im an llc seems to be no good at all other than on an npc and i have to be buffed just to use my carb seems that im forced to use my scatter pistol and that is about the only gun worth trying to use. oh ya and 3 out of 4 of my missions still bug lol. my mark is allways in a tree or a house...
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