Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Fighting a Master Defender
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Cakins7005
Sun Oct 05, 2003 8:04 am
#1
That master defender needs to delete his character because he should have killed both of you in under 2 minutes. With force valor, force aura, pikatta pie, and saber blind, it is like having 85% block all over again 
Isamu-alva
Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:14 am
#2
My main character is a rebel MBH / Mcarbs / CM 4000, I needed to delegate some faction to my alt (just went imp for a while to get the JSF mission) so I went over to anchorhead to go overt, shuttled back to my city, delegated the faction then hopped back on the shuttle to anchorhead to go on-leave.
Then the thing all overts dread happens, I hear the agro music starting up as I'm loading in at the shuttle, someone is trying to load kill me, quick as I could I called out for assistance using my alts PC while my main was still loading in. Finally I appeared, a full template dark jedi player was pounding on me, I healed up, downed some food and start fighing back. We are in the middle of anchorhead so not only am I hitting him so are all the rebel NPC's, I drag him into the NPC's cos he's got the advantage of first strike on me. I managed to land a KD so I used this time to get duelist stance macro running, healed up fully and started fighting back. 5 minutes later we are still fighting, my CM heals are keeping up with his damage, his force infusion is keeping up with my damage, he's blocking practically everything even with accuracy food. Then a guildmate of mine shows up after seeing my shout out in guildchat, I see him trying to go overt at the recruiter so I managed to snare the jedi and run over to my guildmate and group up (my guildmate is a rebel jedi master healer but not sure of the rest of his template off hand) he heals me up and we head back in. To cut a long story short we are at it for another 10 minutes at this guy and he's still not going down, we're trying to outlast him to wear down his force. Another 5 minutes go by and by now I'm getting a bit bored, my guildmate is getting annoyed cos he seems to be doing no damage even though he is full temp, his words were "He's master Def, I cant even scratch him" everytime we get this guy down he heals right back up again. We eventually called a retreat, managed to snare him while we split up and hopped onto speeders and got away.
So the point of this post is, what on earth are we supposed to do against a master defender? Solo I could handled him but only cos I have CM, we could have gone on all night just healing up after we did any damage, the fact that even another jedi helping me couldnt bring him down is just ridiculous.
Any tips for when I meet this guy again?
Then the thing all overts dread happens, I hear the agro music starting up as I'm loading in at the shuttle, someone is trying to load kill me, quick as I could I called out for assistance using my alts PC while my main was still loading in. Finally I appeared, a full template dark jedi player was pounding on me, I healed up, downed some food and start fighing back. We are in the middle of anchorhead so not only am I hitting him so are all the rebel NPC's, I drag him into the NPC's cos he's got the advantage of first strike on me. I managed to land a KD so I used this time to get duelist stance macro running, healed up fully and started fighting back. 5 minutes later we are still fighting, my CM heals are keeping up with his damage, his force infusion is keeping up with my damage, he's blocking practically everything even with accuracy food. Then a guildmate of mine shows up after seeing my shout out in guildchat, I see him trying to go overt at the recruiter so I managed to snare the jedi and run over to my guildmate and group up (my guildmate is a rebel jedi master healer but not sure of the rest of his template off hand) he heals me up and we head back in. To cut a long story short we are at it for another 10 minutes at this guy and he's still not going down, we're trying to outlast him to wear down his force. Another 5 minutes go by and by now I'm getting a bit bored, my guildmate is getting annoyed cos he seems to be doing no damage even though he is full temp, his words were "He's master Def, I cant even scratch him" everytime we get this guy down he heals right back up again. We eventually called a retreat, managed to snare him while we split up and hopped onto speeders and got away.
So the point of this post is, what on earth are we supposed to do against a master defender? Solo I could handled him but only cos I have CM, we could have gone on all night just healing up after we did any damage, the fact that even another jedi helping me couldnt bring him down is just ridiculous.
Any tips for when I meet this guy again?
TheVeryBadDay
Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:19 am
#3
Doc buffs, aim, KD and startle shot FTW. And pray you don't miss.
Isamu-alva
Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:22 am
#4
TheVeryBadDay wrote:
Doc buffs, aim, KD and startle shot FTW. And pray you don't miss.
Well I'm master carbs so that won't work, and it wasnt that I couldnt hit him (when he didnt block) it was the fact that once I did he healed right back up again, it was basically a stalemate from the minute it started cos we could out heal each other.
TheVeryBadDay
Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:28 am
#5
Well, unless you're a MCM with the ability to stop his mind regeneration, you are screwed indeed.
Daviepoo
Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:52 am
#6
First of all.... go do some work 
Now, how do you take down a master defender....
Well as one of the goals of the cu (whether its working or not) is to make combat more like rock/paper/scissors, in that given template A, template B might be very effective against it, template C might be very poor, but good against template B. The same goes for defender.
Its hard to be overpowered by a master defender (unless they have a very very good saber with mls) as they lack a lot of the other offensive & utility skills. The trick is to outlast them until they run out of force. Every attack they do, every time they heal.. it costs them force.
1) Kite them - using snares/roots. Keep them out of range and do a little constant damage. If they can't hit you back... they will end up having to heal a lot more than you reducing their force.
2) Apply states. Dizzy reduces defences. Blind reduces offence. Stun is supposed to stop action regen. Getting a few states on first might allow you to do that little bit more damage.. again making them heal more.
3) Dots. Again it adds the need of the jedi to heal. It might not be a lot of healing, but each one counts.
Not all BH templates will have these skills available, and if they did, it wouldn't be as effective against a high offensive output jedi template as in the original plan for the cu, but you can take down master defenders. Yes it make take 30-60 minutes. Yes it might ruin your armour, its more of a battle of attrition than anything - it will be slow & boring and it will come down to who can last the longest.
Message Edited by Daviepoo on 07-12-2005 02:53 AM
HanzoShinobi
Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:56 am
#7
so your friend is a full temp jedi and still couldnt beat the MD? I can easily beat a MD jedi 1 on 1. Only thing that gives me trouble is avoid incap since I dont have force drain.
with all those rebel commandos spamming fire dots with their flame throwers *trust me they hit very hard when all those dots are hittin ya* you and your full temp jedi guildie, I find it hard to believe you couldnt take down 1 single jedi if he isnt using avoid incap.
But if just a BH, as the guy above suggested, CM is best to go.
with all those rebel commandos spamming fire dots with their flame throwers *trust me they hit very hard when all those dots are hittin ya* you and your full temp jedi guildie, I find it hard to believe you couldnt take down 1 single jedi if he isnt using avoid incap.
But if just a BH, as the guy above suggested, CM is best to go.
Isamu-alva
Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:57 am
#8
You're a fine one to talk about work
60 minutes is a bit long for one fight, I have more important things to do
60 minutes is a bit long for one fight, I have more important things to do
Isamu-alva
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:05 am
#11
HanzoShinobi wrote:
so your friend is a full temp jedi and still couldnt beat the MD? I can easily beat a MD jedi 1 on 1. Only thing that gives me trouble is avoid incap since I dont have force drain.
with all those rebel commandos spamming fire dots with their flame throwers *trust me they hit very hard when all those dots are hittin ya* you and your full temp jedi guildie, I find it hard to believe you couldnt take down 1 single jedi if he isnt using avoid incap.
But if just a BH, as the guy above suggested, CM is best to go.
He was using force drain but it wasn't sticking, and they were just bog standard rebels, no fire dots in site.
As I've said, I could've beat him if I had 60 minutes to spare but as I was forced into this fight by this jedi trying to load kill me my goal was survive first, win second.
If I'd took this guys bounty then I wouldve stuck at it until I beat him down..
Cakins7005
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:08 am
#12
That master defender needs to delete his character because he should have killed both of you in under 2 minutes. With force valor, force aura, pikatta pie, and saber blind, it is like having 85% block all over again
CtsDruid
Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:35 am
#13
Right to start with i am a Jedi myself and do not have MDEF..
BUT i do not have any probs with MDEF templates they are not as over powered as you think also this Jedi friend of yours ls must really suck cos i can nail them fast, i don't have any probs taking down MDef solo, i mean some are hard some are not depends on the player mostly but since CU hit i have NEVER had a 10 min fight they usually are incapped in 5 mins max or i am down in that time.
Also i don't have a uber LS, Its only 650 dps..
Maybe you both need new powerfull weapons or take the right foods, and one thing i have realised more now its down to tatics, plan your attacks more don't just spam any attack time them and make every blow count.
BUT i do not have any probs with MDEF templates they are not as over powered as you think also this Jedi friend of yours ls must really suck cos i can nail them fast, i don't have any probs taking down MDef solo, i mean some are hard some are not depends on the player mostly but since CU hit i have NEVER had a 10 min fight they usually are incapped in 5 mins max or i am down in that time.
Also i don't have a uber LS, Its only 650 dps..
Maybe you both need new powerfull weapons or take the right foods, and one thing i have realised more now its down to tatics, plan your attacks more don't just spam any attack time them and make every blow count.
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