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Thread: AB SLice Testing PROOF direct eveythign to this new thread

Akast
Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:32 am
#1


ok we have a few threads about ab slice not working. so i got on my friends jedi just now and ran some tests. he has a 722 max LS (which is about as good as you get) damage is before armour(mitigated) actual


All hits i did 3 on each but every one did same damge anyway.


Before Jedi armour break


Head Hit

1064 (590) 473


Body Hit

1065 (591) 473


Leg Hit

1065 (591) 473


Power Hit

1395 (782) 613


Saber Throw

1112 (579) 533



AFTER Jedi Armour break


Head Hit

1065 (450) 615


Body Hit

1065 (405) 660


Leg Hit

1065 (405) 660


Power Hit

1395 (535) 860


Saber Throw

1112 (423) 689


This test shows that when armour broken your armour absorbs 32% less than normal as my armour is ab sliced to 75% that would mean that armour breaking your oponent increases your damge by 128% (or decreases armour by 128%) obviously this is not correct, the 32% is what it was before ab slice so the real increase should be 8% not 32% this is real proof that ab slice isnt working at all. well at least we know what it is now, and that it should be fixable.


Ps on a side not i found out somthign nice in testing, when you are KDed the damge increases by 25% good news for us all there.


WE need to raise hell on this guys ab slice is one of the main reasons we are so effective against jedi.

Message Edited by Akast on 10-29-2005 05:12 AM



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whitethunder
Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:42 am
#2

you should pm samous think url


this is crap, better hold off on the jedi hunting for a while...


Bish
Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:21 am
#3


I could be wrong, but I thought that the AB slice reduced your chance to be armor broken... Not reduced the damage taken while armor broken? Also, just curious if any foods were involved and did you notice that it was any harder for armor break to stick? I've fought jedi with and without AB sliced armor. I don't have any exact numbers but just based off of experience I still feel thatagainst an MLS AB slice is critical to success.


Did people just start noticing this recently? I haven't used an AB slice since pub 24 because those stupid shock absorbent padding is so hard to find.






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BarneyIX
Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:44 am
#4






Bish wrote:


I could be wrong, but I thought that the AB slice reduced your chance to be armor broken... Not reduced the damage taken while armor broken? Also, just curious if any foods were involved and did you notice that it was any harder for armor break to stick? I've fought jedi with and without AB sliced armor. I don't have any exact numbers but just based off of experience I still feel thatagainst an MLS AB slice is critical to success.


Did people just start noticing this recently? I haven't used an AB slice since pub 24 because those stupid shock absorbent padding is so hard to find.







You're right IMHO that AB shouldn't mean you take less damage, just less likely that AB sticks,but it also shouldn't mean you take MORE damage as his numbers indicate.
CityHall
Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:51 am
#5

This is not realy proof... more like a hypotosis, there needs to be more testing as attacks do a range of damage it would not be imposible for the ecand atacks to hit for more.

Also as someone above said... the AB slice is not damage mitigation it is more like an AB resistance buff... it gives you a better chance to resist armor break.



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Stecoli
Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:53 am
#6

no it isnt, it reduces your damage when armor broken, it doesnt reduce your chances of being armor broken.
Bish
Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:55 am
#7

I probably should've read the other threads on this topic before I replied. Like I said, I havn't used an armor break slice since pub 24 since my AB armor is Recon and I'm only certed for Battle and Assault now.


I wonder if this was a silent nerf to the slice. Kinda like a penalty for reward type system similar to pup's. Sure, you get a less chance of being armor breaked, but at the cost of taking more damage when you are. What kind of numbers are being seen without being armor broke?Is itthe same damagebetween sliced armor and non-sliced or is the sliced armor still taking more. If that's the case then there's definately something wrong here.







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BarneyIX
Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:57 am
#8






Stecoli wrote:

no it isnt, it reduces your damage when armor broken, it doesnt reduce your chances of being armor broken.






You're correct I went back and checked on the Smuggler forum and it says at the hightest level you get a 75% reduction in damage from AB damage.


Either way it shouldn't cause attacks to damage you MORE than unsliced. I think we can agree on that right?



Stecoli
Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:59 am
#9

I agree , but the reason why its doing more damage is becuase the "ARMOR BREAK SLICE" isnt working.
jalexu
Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:14 am
#10

More accurately, it reduces the AB effectiveness. The jedi AB reduces unsliced armor resists by 65%. If it were sliced for 25% AB reduction, it would reduce it by aprox. 57-58%.





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Fugitron
Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:26 am
#11

The impression I got was that an AB slice is a means of mitigating the attack. So a 75% AB Armor suit would get the added damage mitigated 75% of the time WHEN ARMORBROKE. Which in turn would reduce damage, but its not a constant. Just because you have AB sliced armor does not mean it will reduce your damage every attack.


Personally, I think this was intentional. From what I have been seeing lately is that BHs rely too much on their armor, as in waltzing up to a jedi and just standing there and tanking and healing off his damage. Thats ridiculous. Be a bounty hunter, not a brute squad.










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BarneyIX
Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:31 am
#12






Fugitron wrote:

The impression I got was that an AB slice is a means of mitigating the attack. So a 75% AB Armor suit would get the added damage mitigated 75% of the time WHEN ARMORBROKE. Which in turn would reduce damage, but its not a constant. Just because you have AB sliced armor does not mean it will reduce your damage every attack.


Personally, I think this was intentional. From what I have been seeing lately is that BHs rely too much on their armor, as in waltzing up to a jedi and just standing there and tanking and healing off his damage. Thats ridiculous. Be a bounty hunter, not a brute squad.








Okay thats fine however, how do you explain the fact that with the slice the wearer of the armor takes MORE damage than an unsliced set.


I think thats the real issue.



Fugitron
Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:57 am
#13

His tests are vague, from what I saw, he did not use armor break during the first test and for second he did. Which would explain the difference in damage. Forgive me if I am mistaken, but I see nothing in his post stating he even used AB attack on EITHER, but for the sake of things I am assuming he for sure used it on the second round of testing.








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