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BarneyIX

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:33 am

I understand that the new gold marks are BEATABLE however, it is only true for specific BH builds mainly those with CM.

When I line up against a Gold Chevron mark I simply can not deal enough damage to out pace his regen.

The easy answer is DOT's but because I have no CM I have no DOT other than Torso shot which, is at best a weak DOT.

My EQ is 8064 Energy Protect Recon Armor, an Assalut Bow Caster min dam 538-994 SAC 92, and Scatter min dam 360 max 778 SAC 64. I use a SAC pup on the Bow Caster and a DAM pup on the Scatter. I know this isnt the best EQ but its not garbage either.

I get full buffs from doctors and eat a ton of food. The only thing I don't do taht I could is get a PSG.

My template is Master BH with all but the master box on smuggler, this does mean I have a -19% to speed because I don't have that last box of Smuggler. I am working on getting that 1mil of Pistol xp... kinda wanted to do it through marks but that doesnt seem like thats going to happen heh.

If I use Panic Shot or Concussion shot on these mobs they regen faster than I can heal/regen. Thats just sick LOL. This means that two of my best smuggler skills in PVE are essentially unusable. I always apply state affecting shots on the Mark I.E. Low Blow - decreses firing rate, Concussion shot, etc.

I kite the crap outta the mob and rarely enter in melee range most. With KD, restraining shot, panic shot, and concussion shot its fairly easy to keep em 30m+ away. However, I simply can not deal enough damage over time to defeat these guys.

I accepted the fact that I wouldn't be as effective hunting Jedi because i didn't go with CM and another Elite combat proff but I thought that I would still be more than viable PVE. I have a lot of decent PVE tools at my disposal but SOE has negated most of the useful ones with this insane regen.

Why do I feel like I am being forced to play a specific flavor? I don't want to be BH/CM.

I don't mind a challenge truly however, I would ask that all templates have a viable chance to defeat these guys. I have only successfully killed ONE gold chevron guy and thats because he was bugged and only hit me for ~ 90 points of damage per attack. It took me nearly 15 mins and it involved me just standing in front of him unloading my weapons.

This wasn't fun and REALLY needs to be fixed. The loot was ROCK though... Jar of Bugs...hahah BTW when did this become edible?

Fett009

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:36 am

#2

quit whining, your weapons arent dealing enough damage so there health regen will overcome your dmge output

BarneyIX

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:38 am

#3

ROFL... Nice reply A$$.

Message Edited by BarneyIX on 10-28-2005 06:41 AM

Fett009

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:45 am

#4

well its true, why do you have to make a new thread? you could have added to the other threads whining about boss marks

the new npc AI is brilliant i think, one of only a few positive things that they have added since the CU

and half a day after this new AI is introduced, this forum is flooded with whiners asking for boss marks and even elites to be nerfed

im always one to give advice to others, but one thing i cant stand is constant whining about a challange

BarneyIX

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:51 am

#5

Fett009 wrote:

well its true, why do you have to make a new thread? you could have added to the other threads whining about boss marks

the new npc AI is brilliant i think, one of only a few positive things that they have added since the CU

and half a day after this new AI is introduced, this forum is flooded with whiners asking for boss marks and even elites to be nerfed

im always one to give advice to others, but one thing i cant stand is constant whining about a challange

Whats it to you if I make a new thread? I felt that I was approaching the issue from a diffrent direction mainly that if you don't have DOT's its NEIGH impossible to win.

If you think HAM regeneration has ANYTHING to do with AI you're kidding yourself.

I like the way the use thier specials and react to what I am doing but as it stands now without CM DOT's I honestly can't do enough damage.

I don't think my weapons are that underpowered I do admit they are not the best of the best but what is the MIN weapn dam that I NEED to win?

I feel like I have a decent Rifle Dam and Decent Pistol dam. With my PUP in the Pistol max dam is ~ 900 something.. cant recall exactly.

BOy2K

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:59 am

#6

the answer is easy.
if you want to beat them then you need to change template.
would you expect a MBH to have MDE as his 2nd proff to take on a jedi?
not all templates are good in all situations.

so either get better weapons or change temp.

Message Edited by BOy2K on 10-28-2005 05:00 AM

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Getoc

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:00 am

#7

Well im doing ok with the new boss mobs . Im MBH/MDoc and use a perma duellist stance and bacta infusion macro , an good but not high end set battle armor and full set of food drink and spice buffs besides the doc buffs and an imperial psg ( as former AS i have around 600 of these on stock so i dont care about wasting them on pve). Got +25 healing eff on my clothing and +10 from the healing force branch. Using a sac capped scatter pistol with a - sac PU ending up at 52 sac cost so i can spam like hell without even getting close to go out of action.
Formerly i didnt need more healing on a boss mark then my bacta infusion could heal and this was quite to easy .
Now i use the same macro and primary heal with stims and fighting a boss mark now is as hard as i think it should be .
It takes for a 32k ham boss around 25-30 mins to take him down because of the regeneration and im at 15-20% mind left because of bacta shots during the cooldown timer of the stims.
Well its more easy if u fight them in citys because lots of them use area shots so i bring as much factional npcs into the fight as possible. Also high level mobs on datho for example are a good 'backup' if the marks use area shots.
Normally i only get beaten if this ' cant use knockdown recovery whilde knockdown' crap shows up.

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BarneyIX

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:02 am

#8

BOY2K

So you are comparing Master BH/ with nearly Master Smuggler and a bit of Medic to MBH and Droid Engineer???

Uh... Smuggler is actually a combat proff not a crafting proff.

I am not trying to kill Jedi I am trying to defeat NPC generated Marks that according to my CL I should be able to defeat.

Message Edited by BarneyIX on 10-28-2005 07:04 AM

BOy2K

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:05 am

#9

BarneyIX wrote:

So you are comparing Master BH/ with nearly Master Smuggler and a bit of Medic to MBH and Droid Engineer???

Uh... Smuggler is actually a combat proff not a crafting proff.

I am not trying to kill Jedi I am trying to defeat NPC generated Marks that according to my CL I should be able to defeat.

thats not true. as i said not all templates can beat all mobs. simple fact is if there was one template that was all
powerfull everyone would have it.

here isa vid of me beating the boss mark. hope this gives you some pointers.
Clickeh

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BarneyIX

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:11 am

#10

BOy2K wrote:

BarneyIX wrote:

So you are comparing Master BH/ with nearly Master Smuggler and a bit of Medic to MBH and Droid Engineer???

Uh... Smuggler is actually a combat proff not a crafting proff.

I am not trying to kill Jedi I am trying to defeat NPC generated Marks that according to my CL I should be able to defeat.

thats not true. as i said not all templates can beat all mobs. simple fact is if there was one template that was all powerfull everyone would have it. here isa vid of me beating the boss mark. hope this gives you some pointers. Clickeh

I'm not trying to beat ALL mobs I am trying to beat a MARK that I was given the quest based on my CL. Why should I have to change my templete to be successful?

I guess that I feel like since I took the time to grind out BH and earned the right to hunt marks that I should have the tools through the BH tree to be successful and if you're right that only CERTAIN proffs will be sucessfull how limiting and unfun is that?

It's not like I am combining a Crafting proffession with BH I am combining a Combat Proff with BH. Any BH temp with a Combat Proff should have a decent chance of being successfull as it stands now this doesnt seem to be the case.

diepa

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:12 am

#11

Fett009 wrote:

well its true, why do you have to make a new thread? you could have added to the other threads whining about boss marks

the new npc AI is brilliant i think, one of only a few positive things that they have added since the CU

and half a day after this new AI is introduced, this forum is flooded with whiners asking for boss marks and even elites to be nerfed

im always one to give advice to others, but one thing i cant stand is constant whining about a challange

He inst complaining about AI, he is complaining specifiaclly about regen. Its not about a "challenge" I am a BH/cm I was fighting a boss mark and it took me 45 min to beat him..When the fight started I could not move health at all, only after all the Dots started ticking off did his health start to move. The regen rate is rediculous, they need to lower the regen rates. As for positive things they added since the CU, I dont think there has been one, including the CU.

BarneyIX

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:13 am

#12

thats not true. as i said not all templates can beat all mobs. simple fact is if there was one template that was all powerfull everyone would have it. here isa vid of me beating the boss mark. hope this gives you some pointers. Clickeh

TBH if you don't have the help from the mobs I think you lose t his fight with the MARK. I saw this video when you released it a few days ago.

It looked to me like you were expending TOO much of your mind to keep healing at that pace. Thats just MHO.

DTQ

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:39 am

#13

Ive noticed lots of different levels of regen amongst boss marks, some are as easy as ever some are more challeneging some I can only just about survive through, and others are impossible for me without outside assistance.

However the last few days Ive been taking on 1 lvl 80 doule gold boss repeatedly a named character Cas Vankoo, now sometimes this guy just sits there and stays down when KD etc, others with a master rifleman hitting 1154 damage every time using cover conceal shot from 65 meters cant make a scratch on the health. Thats not runing around healing etc thats firing as fast as possible with a speed buff and action food, literally unable to put in enough damage to scratch him, even with 2 People putting in damage he can still take over 10 minutes to kill. Im all for a challenge, but if a lvl 82 gets those same stats you dont stand a chance.

I reckon 3 spawns on this guy is enough for anyone to get a tough incarnation (unfortunately it is a long time between spawns), He issomeone we can all try out against to get a real comparison for our tactics and equipment vs regen. one attempt isnt enough though you will need to make at least 3 to get a good comparison. For those who dont know he spawns beside the GDK near kimo town POI on lok

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