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Thread: Kashyyyk its an adventure not a grind.
Valtor wrote:
I posted this in the removal of XP from kashyyyk petition. But scince I dont agree with removing XPfrom Kashyyyk completely (even though I signed.) I wanted to start a feedbackthread on a reasonable idea:
I go to kashyyyk to hunt. I go to the hunting grounds, the ryatt trails and the other instances to explore and enjoy the new content we all asked for. I dont go there to grind XP.Kashyyyk was designed to be an adventure planet. I am ok with that concept and actually I love going there whenI want to enjoy a directed adventure with a group of friends. I personally dont think that it should give the same kind of XP as the grinding planets. If the DEVs really want to restrict it and "classify"it asan adventure planet then cutting XP to 10% of other planets is not unreasonable or really that punishing to anyone. There are pleanty of other planetsand dungeons to grindon. If I got 15 XP for killing a CL81 creature on kashyyk; but I finished a level of a quest I have been working on for 2+ hours and a piece of loot that I wanted, I would be happy. And I am sure others would be too. I have recieved pleanty of good loot and had good times from kashyyyk to support the idea of it being an adventure planet. But I know there are padawans grinding there not using it for that purpose. Using this planet as a safe haven from being hunted and grinding XP would be pefroming actions uninteded by the developement team. Thus classifying this as an exploit. So to make it less tantalizing to the exploiters. Remove the XP gain but keep all the loot and cash rewards the same. If a player is really there to adventure and have fun going through the quests then I think they should be unmolested by another player. But grinding out a template on an adventure planet is wrong and should be discouraged by reducing XP to a severely low level.
Comments?
I really think that after pub 20 you will see less people grinding there.
On Kashyyyk the XP is slower than dantooine in a group. The only reason Jedi used Kashyyyk is due to the relative safety of the Multiple instances.
Now that their own group doesnt give vis I am sure most if not all will go take the NoVis/BetterXP off Kashyyyk grinding solution.
Besides Wookies will still give Vis so there is mroe risk there than on another planet.
Acheron5 wrote:
There is no need to diminish XP on Kashyyyk. The reason Jedi grind there isn't because XP is better but rather because the CU removed sologrinding as a realistic option for Jedi to progress in their profession. Consequently, they must group in order to generate XP and doing so generates visibility which makes them hide in the instanced dungeons available on Kashyyyk. If Jedi could grind elsewhere without a risk they would. In fact, prior to the CU most Jedi did just that- They found a secluded spot and solo grinded away.The CUalso had the effect of making visibility an irrelevant concern to Jedi.Most Jedi accepted the fact that in order to progress they would have to generate visibility and they therefore no longer care about wearing robes, equipping lightsabers, dueling, or usingpowers in front of others.
With the changes in publish 20, namely that Jedi will no longer generate visibilty in group, Kashyyyk will become a far less appealing place to grind for two reasons. First, most of the creatures worth grinding on Kashyyyk, such as the Feral Wookies, generate visibility. And second, there is better XP to be had elsewhere either through missions or random spawns.
Kashyyyk should remain a viable place to grind XP for some situations mostly because once the content is depleted no one will have any reason to go there. There is no mining, creature harvesting isn't great, and there is no player housing. Jedi will likely choose better hunting grounds elsewhere, and in any case those Jedi won't be huntable by BH's anyway as they won't have any visibility.
I would agree except for the fact that in LIVE at this point a jedi can group and go out hunting with that group and basically pull mobs into his group. For example: 1 Jedi with a group of ranged. Jedi hits the level 80+ non aggro mob creature with his sabre but stays at 60+ meters away from his group while doing it. This jedi uses his force powers and pulls the creature agroing towards his group. The jedi stops using sabre and force powersonce he/shepulls the aggroto the group and the group opens up on the mob thus killing the creature and applying full XP to everyone in the group. (including the Jedi.) This has been the group work around scince CU. Everyone knows it and I have even participated in helping my friends gain XP in this manner. But even though this grouping option has been available (During several double XP weekends.) The AFK grinding on kashyyyk still continues.
Right now there are tons of quests from kashyyyk. If a majority of people were actually able to finish all the quests on the planet and render it dead it would have ample opportunity for future publish upgrades to revive it.
My point is that even though the grouping visibilities have changed the fact of the matter is that Kashyyyk is designed to be an adventure planet not a place for jedi or any other profession for that matter to grind on. It is a place to go explore and get STUFF!!
But scince this is just an idea and the grouping changes are a fact on thier way to live I scincerely HOPE that you are right in your optimisim that the kashyyyk grinding will come to an end.
Acheron5 wrote:
There is no need to diminish XP on Kashyyyk. The reason Jedi grind there isn't because XP is better but rather because the CU removed sologrinding as a realistic option for Jedi to progress in their profession.
Message Edited by truewildman on 07-24-2005 07:48 PM
I really think that after pub 20 you will see less people grinding there.
On Kashyyyk the XP is slower than dantooine in a group. The only reason Jedi used Kashyyyk is due to the relative safety of the Multiple instances.
Now that their own group doesnt give vis I am sure most if not all will go take the NoVis/BetterXP off Kashyyyk grinding solution.
Besides Wookies will still give Vis so there is mroe risk there than on another planet.
Oh, not so. Just for kicks, I checked it out - I was hunting a Jedi who, as it turns out, was on Kash (I know, what a shock!) and decided to give it a try. I did not know his name, so figured I'd TAB through quickly.
I started with Instance 6 - Rryatt Trail and worked up. I finally found my mark in Instance 3. Guess what I saw in the four instances that I visited - groups of Jedi grinding. There were at least 30 Jedi in total, and I never even checked in Instances 1 or 2.
I am sad to saw that my hunt did not have a happy ending. I ended up standing at the base of a bridge looking right at my mark, but the system somehow said that I could not see the target! Yes, I am being slightly sarcastic, but he actually used the LOS exploit and even went LD there.
Message Edited by wgarth on 07-24-200510:12 PM
Message Edited by wgarth on 07-24-2005 10:12 PM
wgarth wrote:
I really think that after pub 20 you will see less people grinding there.
On Kashyyyk the XP is slower than dantooine in a group. The only reason Jedi used Kashyyyk is due to the relative safety of the Multiple instances.
Now that their own group doesnt give vis I am sure most if not all will go take the NoVis/BetterXP off Kashyyyk grinding solution.
Besides Wookies will still give Vis so there is mroe risk there than on another planet.
Oh, not so. Just for kicks, I checked it out - I was hunting a Jedi who, as it turns out, was on Kash (I know, what a shock!) and decided to give it a try. I did not know his name, so figured I'd TAB through quickly.
I started with Instance 6 - Rryatt Trail and worked up. I finally found my mark in Instance 3. Guess what I saw in the four instances that I visited - groups of Jedi grinding. There were at least 30 Jedi in total, and I never even checked in Instances 1 or 2.
I am sad to saw that my hunt did not have a happy ending. I ended up standing at the base of a bridge looking right at my mark, but the system somehow said that I could not see the target! Yes, I am being slightly sarcastic, but he actually used the LOS exploit and even went LD there.
Message Edited by wgarth on 07-24-200510:12 PM
Message Edited by wgarth on 07-24-200510:12 PM
Cada_Kai wrote:
I really think that after pub 20 you will see less people grinding there.On Kashyyyk the XP is slower than dantooine in a group. The only reason Jedi used Kashyyyk is due to the relative safety of the Multiple instances.
Now that their own group doesnt give vis I am sure most if not all will go take the NoVis/BetterXP off Kashyyyk grinding solution.
Besides Wookies will still give Vis so there is mroe risk there than on another planet.
Jedi didnt ever grind there because of visibilty or large xp, they grind there for the same reason now after pub20 that they did before pub20. No Seekers. Before pub20 it was still possible to get a jedi mission on Cash-ick by scouting their names and going to the terms to cherry pick. Post pub20, it is much easier to grind in safety on the Ryatt Trails.
Message Edited by Yoshiyuki on 07-25-2005 11:11 PM
Valtor wrote:
The difference between now and then is that we cant hunt them and make them pay for exploiting the system.
I'm sorry, I missed the memo from the devs that gave you power to administer any punishment to other players.....
Yes, They may have given you player bounties, that is your content. But when it comes to dishing out punishments for exploiting and such, That is still the job of the CSR's, not yours.
Cada_Kai wrote:
On Kashyyyk the XP is slower than dantooine in a group. The only reason Jedi used Kashyyyk is due to the relative safety of the Multiple instances.
Of course the jedi wannabe Cada Kaidoes notmention the real benefit to Kash/Ryatt trail grind. What other zone in the game offers no names as a mark and the ability to completely run an AFK macro and grind while you are sleeping? anyone? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?