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You are limited by cooldown timers more than you are limited by weapon speed, although speed tapes have an effect on cooldown timers, also.
You didnt post your template so I dont know your "natural" speed mod without tapes. Speed works on diminishing returns, meaning +25 if you only have 10 will yield a higher speed increase than +25 if you already have 100. If you already have very high speed mods innate to your template and are using a very fast weapon, the additional tapes you used might only change your speed by maybe 0.05 seconds.

Message Edited by Eskie on 07-23-2005 11:11 AM

As I posted in my original post, my natural speed is +65.

Furthermore, the doctor speed buffs (+40) did significantly increase my firing rate just as +36 worth of skill tapes should have -- but they did not.

Thanks for your interest in the topic but I'm still convinced that speed tapes don't work.

EDIT: Post Publish 23, I've found that if you re-equip your weapon after putting on your SEAs then they seem to work. See my new post in the thread in the pistoleer forum.

Hi all,

After extensive testing, I've determined that pistol and general speed tapes are broken. I encourage everyone to test this themselves and I encourage spreading the word so this gets fixed. I would assume the best link to the devs is through the correspondents. I have little faith in bug reports actually being read by anyone.

Here's how I tested this. I have a macro that alternates attacks. The macro runs something like:
/criticalshot;
/quickdraw;
/pause 3;
/ui action toolbarSlot07;

Now, with my +19 pistol speed skill tapes and +17 general speed tapes in my good armor, I find that /pause 3 is the right amount. If I make it /pause 2.8 then the macro breaks and some attacks get skipped (i.e. instead of my combat spam reading adv. crit, quickdraw, adv. crit, quickdraw, etc. I get adv. crit, quickdraw, quickdraw, adv. crit, adv. crit, etc.).

Now, I was testing how long I'd have to make the pause without my good armor and skill tapes. I found it was exactly the same!! /pause 3 works great and /pause 2.8 breaks! I tested this extensively, and put my good and bad armor off and on to see if re-equiping helped. It did not.

My total speed reported on my character sheet is +101 with skill tapes and +65 without.

Furthermore, about a week ago (just before publish 20 if I remember correctly) I got a doctor speed buff. This adds +40 speed. I found that I could decrease the pause to at least 2.4. I was still testing to see how low I could go. I'll see if I can find a doctor buff to test this in publish 20.

So in conclusion, speed skill tapes don't work. Doctor speed buffs probably do.

Again, please test this yourselves and spread the word. I spent a lot of money and time on those skill tapes and I'd like to have them work.

Message Edited by Barafu on 09-14-2005 02:28 PM

It's even clearer now.

I just got the doctor improved adrenal buff to make sure that they still worked in publish 20. I found that I could lower my pause significantly (by almost a second) with the doctor buff. With just my +36 in skill tapes (which should be almost the same as the doctor buffs regards whether it's percentage or absolute) I found that the macro completely broke at that speed. I found just as before that I had to have the pause be the same for both me in speed armor and just me with my natural speed.

QED Speed skill tapes don't work at the moment but doctor speed buffs do.

Please someone else test this.

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Barafu wrote:
. I would assume the best link to the devs is through the correspondents. I have little faith in bug reports actually being read by anyone.

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You are absolutly correct. I and a few others bugged the enhanced kwi spawn at the Geo caves multiple times in-game. NTM several post about it in the forums discribing it, so its safe to assume they too had bugged it in-game.Low and behold when I went to FF, Ogat mentioned the spawn issue to a few devs and they didnt even know it was broken.

If our corespondants cant get them the info and bug reports arent doing it either, i hate to see what the future holds.

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Barafu wrote:
It's even clearer now.

I just got the doctor improved adrenal buff to make sure that they still worked in publish 20. I found that I could lower my pause significantly (by almost a second) with the doctor buff. With just my +36 in skill tapes (which should be almost the same as the doctor buffs regards whether it's percentage or absolute) I found that the macro completely broke at that speed. I found just as before that I had to have the pause be the same for both me in speed armor and just me with my natural speed.

QED Speed skill tapes don't work at the moment but doctor speed buffs do.

Please someone else test this.

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as i have heard from several jedi, speed buffs and force speed do not ahve diminishing returns taht is possibly why you saw this number change.

Sorry to sound rude but read my posts carefully. I don't see "diminishing returns" on my higher speed with my skill points. I see no returns. Whereas for the doctor buffs I do see a noticeable improvement. Here's the crucial part and I've posted it a couple of times already: My natural speed is +65. Doctor buffs give either +40 absolute or +40% which would be +26 in this case. My skill tapes give me +36. If I see a change with the doctor buffs (regardless of the exact numerics) then I should definitely see an improvement with my skill tapes. Again, sorry I sound rude. I appreciate your interest in the subject. It's just that I feel like I'm beginning to repeat myself.

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Ee-dwana wrote:

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Barafu wrote:
. I would assume the best link to the devs is through the correspondents. I have little faith in bug reports actually being read by anyone.

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You are absolutly correct. I and a few others bugged the enhanced kwi spawn at the Geo caves multiple times in-game. NTM several post about it in the forums discribing it, so its safe to assume they too had bugged it in-game.Low and behold when I went to FF, Ogat mentioned the spawn issue to a few devs and they didnt even know it was broken.

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Maybe the /bug command is bugged and doesn't send the bugs. We should report it in /bug.

To get back to the speed tapes discussion : I haven't tested this yet because I don't have enough pistol speed CA/AA to actually notice a difference, but I'm very interested in this experiment because I'm starting to search such attachments. If they don't work I might as well keep my money for something else.

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Neekocha wrote:

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Ee-dwana wrote:

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Barafu wrote:
. I would assume the best link to the devs is through the correspondents. I have little faith in bug reports actually being read by anyone.

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You are absolutly correct. I and a few others bugged the enhanced kwi spawn at the Geo caves multiple times in-game. NTM several post about it in the forums discribing it, so its safe to assume they too had bugged it in-game. Low and behold when I went to FF, Ogat mentioned the spawn issue to a few devs and they didnt even know it was broken.

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Maybe the /bug command is bugged and doesn't send the bugs. We should report it in /bug.

To get back to the speed tapes discussion : I haven't tested this yet because I don't have enough pistol speed CA/AA to actually notice a difference, but I'm very interested in this experiment because I'm starting to search such attachments. If they don't work I might as well keep my money for something else.

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Amen to that, bro. I broke the bank getting mine. I'm sure they'll get fixed eventually, though. I'd just rather it be sooner rather than later.

What the OP needs to do is do his test with just ranged shot, not a high power special that has a long cooldown timer.

OK, now we're getting somewhere. I didn't know that the doctor speed effects only the cooldown timer. Do you have a source for that info? However, if you read my original post (or any of several that followed) you'll notice that my natural speed is +65. I'm a MBH with almost no pistoleer (none of the speed tree anyway).

So, I hope that speed tapes would have a noticeable effect at this level. Otherwise, everyone who has speed greater than +65 is wasting their skillpoints. So we're either saying speed tapes are broken or speed itself is messed up.

Please, everyone! Before trying to debunk my testing, please carefully reread my post. I'm glad everyone is interested in the topic but I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Thanks.