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Thread: Why failed missions should not get BH on the terms

Kyyrtek
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:00 pm
#1

This thread is partly a vent, but also the main reason we shouldn't be penalized for failed missions. I was hunting a mark, followed him from planet to planet, watched him from afar, waited for the right time to attack, and then made my move. I did considerable damage, and Im assuming he had alot of his sp in defender and/or healer, since he did almost no damage to me, but his health just kept refilling - it was almost ridiculous how much damage I did to him overall. then another BH showed up after about 5 minutes of fighting, and joined in. The other BH had an inferior pistol to mine, and yes I raed through my combat logs to make sure, and he got the deathblow because he was closer when we got him incapped. Failed mission. I got there first, did most damage, and lost the mission because of the other BH's deathblow.

Which brings up another question: If the other bh and I had grouped, and triple incapped him, would we both have completed the mission? and received payment?
Im not pissed about the other bh, thats fine, but I shouldnt have got a failed mission message, and I definitely dont think any of us should get penalized in this instance.



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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:01 pm
#2

I agree.


Further, if they're insistant on putting BH mission failures on the terms, it absolutely shouldn't count for upper level/completed Jedi.



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Yterbium
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:03 pm
#3






Kyyrtek wrote:
This thread is partly a vent, but also the main reason we shouldn't be penalized for failed missions. I was hunting a mark, followed him from planet to planet, watched him from afar, waited for the right time to attack, and then made my move. I did considerable damage, and Im assuming he had alot of his sp in defender and/or healer, since he did almost no damage to me, but his health just kept refilling - it was almost ridiculous how much damage I did to him overall. then another BH showed up after about 5 minutes of fighting, and joined in. The other BH had an inferior pistol to mine, and yes I raed through my combat logs to make sure, and he got the deathblow because he was closer when we got him incapped. Failed mission. I got there first, did most damage, and lost the mission because of the other BH's deathblow.

Which brings up another question: If the other bh and I had grouped, and triple incapped him, would we both have completed the mission? and received payment?
Im not pissed about the other bh, thats fine, but I shouldnt have got a failed mission message, and I definitely dont think any of us should get penalized in this instance.




No, shouldn't have there be any penalty for failing missions. Not like Jedi who go LD and get reamed by some coward and lose 300k xp or anything. Lets not actually have there be any penalties for BHs, since Jedi are just BH content after all.



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Aikes
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:04 pm
#4

HAHAHAHAHHA ROFL HAHAHAHHHA ROFL HAHAHHAAHA



Of wait, sorry. Excuse me, I just had to get that out. As a BH I think it would be fun to hunt some of you NOOB respec bounty hunters and add YOUR names to my list of kills in a new list under DISGRACEFUL MEMBERS OF THE TRADE.


CaixCatab
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:19 pm
#5






Yterbium wrote:


No, shouldn't have there be any penalty for failing missions. Not like Jedi who go LD and get reamed by some coward and lose 300k xp or anything. Lets not actually have there be any penalties for BHs...






... since technically, we're not getting alpha-class status?


That being saidI wouldn't mind seeing BH's on the terminals, but not as a penalty for failing a mission (as this can be induced in several ways), but for actually being defeated and deathblowedby the mark.




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Typeso
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:22 pm
#6

come on, it's logical to think multiple failed missions will put you on the terms.... means you can't get the job done for your contractor, and your contractor is tired of you being a failure. Same should go for smugglers when/IF they ever get a revamp. I don't mind being on the terms, just means i have to step up my game and not cruise coro like a noob waving my saber at everyone.

Message Edited by Typeso on 06-11-2005 02:23 PM

Kyyrtek
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:26 pm
#7


Aikes wrote:

HAHAHAHAHHA ROFL HAHAHAHHHA ROFL HAHAHHAAHA

Of wait, sorry. Excuse me, I just had to get that out. As a BH I think it would be fun to hunt some of you NOOB respec bounty hunters and add YOUR names to my list of kills in a new list under DISGRACEFUL MEMBERS OF THE TRADE.





lol - I seem to have been complaining. please excuse the lame whining in my original post, and also please excuse the fact that ive been a ranged bh for almost 7 months now - never respec'd any skillpoints, and never stacked any melee, and still ran missions. I agree that bhs that cant handle the pvp and tactics that are needed to be sucessful should prolly drop bh for master image designer or somethin, but my point was that my kill got sniped by another bh - strict violation of the bh code. and it resulted in a failed mission, which has been said to get us on the terms. so, all of us, regardless of how good we are, are at risk for getting on the terms. not just the noobs and respecs.

see ya on the terms, friend!



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Yterbium
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:29 pm
#8






CaixCatab wrote:





Yterbium wrote:


No, shouldn't have there be any penalty for failing missions. Not like Jedi who go LD and get reamed by some coward and lose 300k xp or anything. Lets not actually have there be any penalties for BHs...






... since technically, we're not getting alpha-class status?


That being saidI wouldn't mind seeing BH's on the terminals, but not as a penalty for failing a mission (as this can be induced in several ways), but for actually being defeated and deathblowedby the mark.







Do you consider Jedi an Alpha class?


Do you know what Jedi go through for the priviledge of spending 6x the xp and time to be half as effective as a master brawler?


Other than that I agree with you. I think it should be coded to specifically be counted by deathblow, so that a BH would not be considered to fail a mission just because a Jedi signed off and didn't sign back in until the time had expired.





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CaixCatab
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:32 pm
#9








Yterbium wrote:


Do you consider Jedi an Alpha class?


Do you know what Jedi go through for the priviledge of spending 6x the xp and time to be half as effective as a master brawler?






... you don't have 4xxx healer and xx4x defender in your template do you?


"half as effective as a master brawler". Yeah. Right. Since I vaguely remember reading something about you getting your jedi, do you have finished template yet?



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black666label
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:32 pm
#10

whoever got the third incapp would have completed the mission...I don't think another BH getting DB would count as a mission failed. Just mission incomplete. The only time i see mission failed is when i get DBed by the jedi. Last time i seen the failed thing i cant remember lol



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BeyondtheGrave2
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:33 pm
#11

bhs being on the terms is what the jedi want. So thats whats gonna happen. why else would we be added to the terms other than to turn us against each other and take the focus off the jedi.
Kaeg
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:41 pm
#12

The quick and easy fix for this though, would be to only allow one instance of a missions against a single mark. Once a BH accepts a mission for a mark, that mark is not put back on the terms until/if either the BH does get a failure (either by being defeated/DB'd by the mark or the timer runs out) or the mission is completed and the mark get's themselves put back on by flaunting their status. That way, the only way a BH could get on the terms is by their own ineptitudes and not the intervention of another BH who was also given the saem amrk as a mission.







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Actairr
Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:45 pm
#13







Yterbium wrote:


Do you know what Jedi go through for the priviledge of spending 6x the xp and time to be half as effective as a master brawler







ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I mean really? Are you freaking kidding me? YES jedi is the "alpha" class in swg, a full templated 250 sp jedi is more powerful than ANY full templated 250 sp of any non jedi combo. That makes jedi an alpha class.
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