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Thread: Why some changes to cloak should be made, but not nerfed...
Qwad wrote:
You shouldn't be able to /follow someone who is cloaked, that's just retarded in and of itself.
Compton wrote:
Qwad wrote:
You shouldn't be able to /follow someone who is cloaked, that's just retarded in and of itself.
that is dumb and should be fixed, but Jedi shouldn't be able to spend 4 hours under cloak. at that point it really is gamebreaking. he hopped 6 planets over 4 hours and never dropped his cloak for more than a second.
You act as if most Jedi have cloak. What every happened to the fact you are not going to always get your target? Drop mission...go get another mission. Chances are you will get some one who is not a cloaker. And Yes... being able to /follow a cloaker is pretty stupid. Perhaps if that was fixed you would be more inclined to drop themission and go pull another one immediatly?
Corina_Deepstarr wrote:
Compton wrote:
Qwad wrote:
You shouldn't be able to /follow someone who is cloaked, that's just retarded in and of itself.
that is dumb and should be fixed, but Jedi shouldn't be able to spend 4 hours under cloak. at that point it really is gamebreaking. he hopped 6 planets over 4 hours and never dropped his cloak for more than a second.
You act as if most Jedi have cloak. What every happened to the fact you are not going to always get your target? Drop mission...go get another mission. Chances are you will get some one who is not a cloaker. And Yes... being able to /follow a cloaker is pretty stupid. Perhaps if that was fixed you would be more inclined to drop the mission and go pull another one immediatly?
I don't think his gripe is about the mission, it's about the fact that a Jedi can just go non-stop cloak to avoid any conflict whatsoever. When you can run Cloak (with or without Channel), it should at least put a dent in your Force pool so that you actually have to turn it off once in a while to let it recharge. And using terminals and the like should automatically bring you out of a cloaked state..that much should be a given.
The stuff that has been going on with Jedi cloakers is just a joke, but as is usual with this game, a few ruin things for the rest.
Compton wrote:
Anyone have any real GOOD reasons to make changes to cloak?
Tonight, I followed around a cloaked Jedi for about two hours. He was cloaked the entire time, except for maybe 1 second here or there. I was running target macros and attack macros and still could not keep him out of cloak AT ALL. His force never went down enough to "strand" him out in the open, and he felt fine using JTL terms while cloaked.
I would like to see cloak's force requirement go back up and I like the idea that they can no longer use terms while cloaked. If a Jedi could run for 2 hours, cloaked just about non stop, then it isn't using enough force. I was under the impression that it is a defensive/escape power, not a parading, long lasting, force effcient power.
Anyone have any other gripes about it. BTW, this is not a call to nerf, although it looks like they've already decided to make changes. Just a discussion thread.
U cannot follow someone u cant see!
Corina_Deepstarr wrote:
You act as if most Jedi have cloak. What every happened to the fact you are not going to always get your target? Drop mission...go get another mission. Chances are you will get some one who is not a cloaker. And Yes... being able to /follow a cloaker is pretty stupid. Perhaps if that was fixed you would be more inclined to drop themission and go pull another one immediatly?
This is not a flame, but just think about what our wrote here... ^^
a couple of constructive critisims here:
1. Cloak is dependant on the number of things around, force cost is already extremely heavy if many mobs or pcs are around.
2. The user most definitely had to channel alot while he was cloak especially if he was flying into other cities
3. You all scream that jedi should be rare, yet when you can't see one you complain... if he wasn't loot camping what's wrong with avoiding conflict, that's what Jedi are supposed to excel at.
4. Although you can hunt us, and I for one enjoy the hunt and the fight, we are not required to fight you on your own terms, if he realized you were following and he was able to avoid you then he outsmarted you. Move on to another target, or back off so he feels safe and uncloaks... a little strategy here would go along way.
That's all...
Qwad wrote:
You shouldn't be able to /follow someone who is cloaked, that's just retarded in and of itself.
AelricMistrider wrote:
Corina_Deepstarr wrote:
Compton wrote:
Qwad wrote:
You shouldn't be able to /follow someone who is cloaked, that's just retarded in and of itself.
that is dumb and should be fixed, but Jedi shouldn't be able to spend 4 hours under cloak. at that point it really is gamebreaking. he hopped 6 planets over 4 hours and never dropped his cloak for more than a second.
You act as if most Jedi have cloak. What every happened to the fact you are not going to always get your target? Drop mission...go get another mission. Chances are you will get some one who is not a cloaker. And Yes... being able to /follow a cloaker is pretty stupid. Perhaps if that was fixed you would be more inclined to drop the mission and go pull another one immediatly?
I don't think his gripe is about the mission, it's about the fact that a Jedi can just go non-stop cloak to avoid any conflict whatsoever. When you can run Cloak (with or without Channel), it should at least put a dent in your Force pool so that you actually have to turn it off once in a while to let it recharge. And using terminals and the like should automatically bring you out of a cloaked state..that much should be a given.
The stuff that has been going on with Jedi cloakers is just a joke, but as is usual with this game, a few ruin things for the rest.
Keep in mind that I don't have cloak when I say this...but players in general need to get used to 3 things...
1. You will win and lose some battles. You might win more or less than the next player.
2. In a battle there is not nessesarily a winner or loser. Sometimes like in R/L your prey gets away from you.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is only BH calling for nerfs and such when they encounter conditions they deem unfair but it is a trend many players take part in.
If I lose to a BH my first thoughts are "ok what did I do wrong?". My first thought is not "That BH exploited!" Which I think is the first thing people assume once they are beat is some one exploited or a skill is too over powered.
One of the other things I consider is perhaps my Template is not suited to fight certain BH templates so it might be best to run. I think there is this misguided notion that any template should be able to stand up against another template when in fact this game is more of a "Rocks" "paper" and "Scissors" game and less about actually player skill.
A Bh who pulls a cloakers mission should just delete the mission and pull another instead of cry about it. And the same goes for Jedi who cry about BH/CM templates.
MrElder wrote:
Corina_Deepstarr wrote:
You act as if most Jedi have cloak. What every happened to the fact you are not going to always get your target? Drop mission...go get another mission. Chances are you will get some one who is not a cloaker. And Yes... being able to /follow a cloaker is pretty stupid. Perhaps if that was fixed you would be more inclined to drop themission and go pull another one immediatly?
This is not a flame, but just think about what our wrote here... ^^
Most jedi do have cloak. Notice I said Most not All. Most does not qual All but it does mean quite a few jedi have cloak. I would estimate that about 75% of the jedi I hunt down use cloak to get away from me. And then chances are notthat youwouldget a 'non' cloaker, but in fact you will get another cloaker.
And,if all BH's dropped their missions at the first sign of a cloaker what do you think the new jedi FOTM would be?? (if its not already)
Again, not a flame, just some thoughts.
/bow
Thanks all
Seems to me that if you could not /follow a cloaker there would be no problem? Or would you prefer that Cloak not be in the game at all?
I am surprised that there no calls to have what I do nerfed. LOL no I will not tell you what it is but it can be just as aggrivating for a BH as is cloak. Eventually Bh just drop the mission if I decide to take them on a wild goose chase.